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The General Makarov is burning

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Posted by Eaglecash867 on Tuesday, May 10, 2022 10:30 AM

missileman2000
I am particularly interested in the Moskva.  I worked on the Harpoon design, and we used the Moskva as our main target during the design.

It definitely makes sense that the Slava (now Moskva) would have been the main target for the Harpoon program.  As I recall, it was considered the gold standard for being the hardest ship to destroy because of its anti-air/anti-missile systems.  I had heard that those systems on the Moskva were "kept busy" by Ukrainian drones while the Neptune was snuck in.  Heh...also remember playing Strike Fleet on my Commodore 64 when I was a teenager in the 80s, and the Slava was the big prize that was the most difficult to fight against.  Pretty much all you could do was run it out of cruise missiles while closing distance with it so you could then hit it with guns.  The guns on the American ships outranged the Soviet guns.  Ahhh...good memories. Pirate

"You can have my illegal fireworks when you pry them from my cold, dead fingers...which are...over there somewhere."

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Posted by stikpusher on Tuesday, May 10, 2022 9:53 AM

There is no confirmation of the frigate General Makarov sinking. Only footage of it on fire, and a Ukrainian claim of hitting it with missile(s). The Alligator class landing ship was sunk dockside, while a couple others were damaged in the same strike. And of course the Moskva was sunk after the "ammunition fire" of unknown origin (according to Moscow). Also footage has been released of several smaller craft of various types that have been hit and likely sunk as a result.

 

F is for FIRE, That burns down the whole town!

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N is for NO SURVIVORS...

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Posted by missileman2000 on Tuesday, May 10, 2022 8:57 AM

I'm confused now.  The first sunk was the Moskva.  Then they sunk a landing barge type of ship.  Then they apparently sunk another missile cruiser (the General something aruther).  That would make three, but have the Russians ever confirmed that third sinking?

I am particularly interested in the Moskva.  I worked on the Harpoon design, and we used the Moskva as our main target during the design.

 

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Posted by stikpusher on Monday, May 9, 2022 10:00 PM

Eaglecash867

 

 
PatW

We've seen film of it on fire and sink about two weeks ago. Shame! Direct hit by a Ukraine missile!

 

 

 

That was the Moskva.  The Ukrainians bagged another ship since then.

 

 

F is for FIRE, That burns down the whole town!

U is for URANIUM... BOMBS!

N is for NO SURVIVORS...

       - Plankton

LSM

 

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Posted by Bobstamp on Monday, May 9, 2022 8:02 PM

For a few months in the late 1980s, I tried to organize a Vietnam Veterans group, not the easiest thing to do in Canada, although some 10,000 Canadians joined the U.S. Army and U.S. Marines.* I was surprised (I shouldn't have been) that some wannabe Vietnam vets tried to join. I met one guy at a MacDonald's for coffee, and soon realized that even at the end of the war, he couldn't have more than 15. 

One of my best "post-war" moments was when my wife and I were taking a morning walk on the seawall around Coal Harbour, here in Vancouver. I was wearing my 1st Marine Division Vietnam vet's baseball hat. A couple about our age was walking in the opposite direction, and as we passed, the guy said, "Good morning, Marine." That felt really good! But please don't say, "Thank you for your service."

I had just one broad goal in Vietnam: I wanted to stay alive, and wanted, as their hospital corpsman, to keep "my" Marines alive. I couldn't have cared less about "fighting for democracy" or "the flag" or "Mom & apple pie," because I knew that those things weren't in danger, and that we had been sent into harm's way by powerful men in Washington who didn't give a damn about us.

I have mostly bad memories of my service in Vietnam, but there were good moments too, and at least it gave me ideas for models to build. So far, I've completed a model UH-34D Seahorse helicopter like the ones that carried me into combat and later, after I was shot, transported me to a field hospital and then to the hospital ship Repose, which I have also completed. 

Bob

* Those 10,000 Canadian volunteers? Some of the Canadian vets I met had been wounded in Vietnam, they didn't qualify for long-term hospital care back in the States, and none of them received disability payments. Even their enlistment records were destroyed.

On the bench: 1/72 Grumman Avenger being kitbashed as a U.S. Forest Service tanker; a diorama to illustrate the crash of a Beech T-34B Mentor which I survived in 1962 (I'm using Minicraft's 1/48 model of the Mentor), and a Pegasus model of the submarine Nautilus of 20,000 Leagues Under the Seas fame. 

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Posted by GMorrison on Monday, May 9, 2022 6:40 PM

And it now sounds like the sinkings were smaller landing craft at Snake Island.

Hit by an airstrike from two SU-27s.

 

Bill

 Modeling is an excuse to buy books.

 

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Posted by Eaglecash867 on Monday, May 9, 2022 5:50 PM

PatW

We've seen film of it on fire and sink about two weeks ago. Shame! Direct hit by a Ukraine missile!

 

That was the Moskva.  The Ukrainians bagged another ship since then.

"You can have my illegal fireworks when you pry them from my cold, dead fingers...which are...over there somewhere."

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Posted by PatW on Monday, May 9, 2022 4:37 PM

We've seen film of it on fire and sink about two weeks ago. Shame! Direct hit by a Ukraine missile!

Remember , common sense is not common.

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Posted by Tanker-Builder on Monday, May 9, 2022 4:12 PM

Age? IKAR01; 

     Did You say Age? Really, That rhymes with Page and I will be turning to page 79 myself wednesday. Age, Oh, that's where you show yer smarter than the average Bear!

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Posted by ikar01 on Monday, May 9, 2022 3:20 PM

I've had some prople ook at my Vietnam hat and say that I'm not that old, until I proved that I really am.  Others say that they are surprized that I'm still standing.

About time for that Elton John song.

fox
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Posted by fox on Sunday, May 8, 2022 10:40 PM

I've been telling everyone "I'm old, I'm old" for the last 20 years, but nobody believes me. Sleep

Jim Captain

Stay Safe.

 Main WIP: 

   On the Bench:  1/48 Tamiya - Vought F4U-1A Corsair for Group Build 'Absent Friends' 50%                                                                   1/48 Encore Models - A-37B/OA-37B Dragonfly 50%

I keep hitting "escape", but I'm still here.

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Posted by gregbale on Sunday, May 8, 2022 8:22 PM

ikar01
Careful, you're dating yourself.  

I don't mind dating myself...I'm a cheap date! Big Smile

(And I always remember that 'no' really does mean 'no.' Propeller)

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George Lewis:

"Every time you correct me on my grammar I love you a little fewer."
 
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Posted by ikar01 on Sunday, May 8, 2022 7:46 PM

Careful, you're dating yourself.  

Let me put it another way, you're taking a chance of showing your age.

fox
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  • From: Narvon, Pa.
Posted by fox on Sunday, May 8, 2022 7:29 PM

.."Yeah...that's the ticket." 

Wow! I haven't heard that in a long while. Used to work with a guy that said it all the time.

Jim Captain

Stay Safe.

 Main WIP: 

   On the Bench:  1/48 Tamiya - Vought F4U-1A Corsair for Group Build 'Absent Friends' 50%                                                                   1/48 Encore Models - A-37B/OA-37B Dragonfly 50%

I keep hitting "escape", but I'm still here.

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Posted by Eaglecash867 on Sunday, May 8, 2022 4:53 PM

It had the same "secret countermeasure system" the Moskva had.  The way it works is that when it detects an incoming missile, it automatically detonates its own weapons magazine and then slowly submerges to avoid being hit by the missile.  As Jon Lovitz would say..."Yeah...that's the ticket."

"You can have my illegal fireworks when you pry them from my cold, dead fingers...which are...over there somewhere."

fox
  • Member since
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  • From: Narvon, Pa.
Posted by fox on Sunday, May 8, 2022 4:20 PM

You got that right!

Jim Captain

Stay Safe.

 Main WIP: 

   On the Bench:  1/48 Tamiya - Vought F4U-1A Corsair for Group Build 'Absent Friends' 50%                                                                   1/48 Encore Models - A-37B/OA-37B Dragonfly 50%

I keep hitting "escape", but I'm still here.

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Posted by disastermaster on Sunday, May 8, 2022 3:16 AM

Hope he goes down with it.

On the kitchen counter somewhere in North Carolina

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Posted by keavdog on Saturday, May 7, 2022 11:07 PM

Thanks,

John

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Posted by ikar01 on Saturday, May 7, 2022 10:27 PM

Any updates?  I have been sick the last couple days so the news hasn't been a top priority to say the least.

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The General Makarov is burning
Posted by GMorrison on Friday, May 6, 2022 5:55 PM

Unconfirmed reports that the Russian patrol frigate General Makarov was hit and is burning in the Black Sea.Commissioned in 2017, she is/was a much more capable ship than the older moskva. This would be another serious blow to the invaders.

 

Bill

 Modeling is an excuse to buy books.

 

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