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  • From: Tochigi, Japan
Color blindness and modeling
Posted by J-Hulk on Wednesday, August 20, 2003 9:59 AM
Hi, folks!

I've never seen this topic mentioned anywhere, so I wanted to see if I'm alone here.

I may have mentioned it in other posts, but I am red-green color-blind. That means I have difficulties distinguishing reds and greens from oranges and browns, and all derivations of reds and greens, like pinks and purples.

Color "blindness" isn't really a good word for it, since I see a beautiful world of color. It's just those darn greens and reds!

Pinks and purples aren't much of a concern in most of the modeling I do, but the reds and greens can be a problem, particularly with weathering olive drab or dark green armor or aircraft, I have a heck of a time seeing brown, flat earth, and other earthtone colors on the green backgrounds. I can see the color intensities, lightness, darkness, etc., but I can't really see the difference in colors. That's were my patient friends come in! I'm always bugging them about whether something looks "dirty" enough.

Painting base colors isn't much of a problem, as long as I read labels carefully! And if I mix any colors, I make sure I carefully record the ratios, since I could never "eyeball" it later.

Working from reference materials also poses challenges. I am forever pestering my poor girlfriend with books and magazines, asking questions like, "what color are the tracks here? Is that mud, or rust?" Bless her heart; she's a very patient girl! She gets her fair share of “Is this dirty enough?” too!

I would love to hear from anyone who has this problem, or knows someone who does.
Or anyone who has any suggestions on how to cope with the challenges facing a color-blind modeler!
~Brian
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Posted by shermanfreak on Wednesday, August 20, 2003 10:21 AM
So that explains why Panzer Gray is your favourite colour !!!!

Something that I never really thought about Brian, but I would imagine it could cause some grief.

From the looks of your finished works, you have adjusted very well. Keep on doing what you're doing.
Happy Modelling and God Bless Robert
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  • From: USA, GA
Posted by erush on Wednesday, August 20, 2003 2:57 PM
I just noticed this post Hulk, I guess I overlooked it somehow.

You ain't alone! I too fail the "test" for red-green color blindness. However I don't have much trouble distiguising colors unless the light's not good, then I have problems if the shades are similar. Yours may be a bit worse than mine is but like Shermanfreak said, keep up with what you're doing, it's looking great!!! Cool [8D] Cool [8D] (we need a cane to go with these smilies don't we? Big Smile [:D] . I wonder if it has something to do with staring at red Georgia clay too much!! )

Eric
Hi, I'm Eric and I'm a Modelholic too. I think I have PE poisioning.     "Friendly fire...isn't"
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Posted by tigerman on Wednesday, August 20, 2003 7:13 PM
Since the two of you do just great work, It almost makes me wish I were color blind. Big Smile [:D]

"It is well that war is so terrible, lest we grow too fond of it."-R.E.Lee

   http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y269/wing_nut_5o/PANZERJAGERGB.jpg

 Eric 

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  • From: Washington State
Posted by leemitcheltree on Wednesday, August 20, 2003 7:17 PM
Yeah,
This color blindness is a pain in the butt - I really have no problems with most shades, but sometimes I can't distinguish between some shades of blue and purple. Some shades of green can pose a problem - sometimies they look brown-ish and sometimes some shades of brown look green.
Oddly, picking strawberries can be difficult (I just don't see some of them) but I can see the foliage as being very green, and the ripe berries as very red. But I still miss some ripe berries.
Even stranger still, I can look at a brick home and see tonal variations (lighter bricks, darker bricks) that no-one else in my family can see.
My dad told me that when he was in the Navy just prior to the Vietnam War (he was in the SeaBees - a surveyor), they sometimes used to use color blind guys in photo interpretation when looking at aerial photographs, as they could often see the oddities in tonal variation caused by camoflage netting that "normally sighted" people couldn't see.
Like J-Hulk, I just read the label.
Cheers,
LeeTree

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  • From: Philippines
Posted by Dwight Ta-ala on Wednesday, August 20, 2003 7:26 PM
Color blind? Who? I can't tell that in your works, guys. They're all great to me.

As they always say, beauty is in the eyes of the beholder. And I only see beauty in your works.

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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, August 20, 2003 9:39 PM
There must be a lot of it about, I didn't know I was colour blind until I failed the test!, That was years ago though & I've had no complaints about colours on my models so it can't be too bad.
I remember reading about a famous U S Marine? who was used in Vietnam or was it WW2? to spot camouflaged ambushes.
And yes, Lee, there are things I can see that others can't, even on B&W photo's some things leap out at me where others have difficulty seeing them. So it can't be all bad!
Pete
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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, August 20, 2003 10:00 PM
I fail the test for red-green colorblindness as well, but I see pretty much everything! My colorblindness has never shown up in my modeling, and, my color-vision is so sensitive to some spectrums, I've often come up with camo schemes so subtle that my family doesn't even see the color variation!! Also, my girlfriend wouldn't be too much help, she's almost completely colorblind! Other than red, yeller, and a few other colors, all she sees is shades of gray!(I joke with my family, that we'll have flat-footed, colorblind children that, even though they're secessionists, can't understand why the military doesn't want them!)
But hey, love overcomes all, right? Besides, it's just one more way I get to help her(and I love to help pretty much everyone with pretty much anything!)!
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Posted by J-Hulk on Thursday, August 21, 2003 7:39 AM
Wow, and there I was thinking I was all alone! Cool [8D]
It's amazing some of the parallels in my own life I've just heard from your experiences.

I remember hearing about color-blind camo-crackers being used in Viet Nam, too.

I've never heard any bad comments about my color choices on models (other than "not dirty enough!"), but here's a funny story from the Shizuoka Hobby Show:
I had brought my E-100 (see signature below), and this one fellow was really giving it the close-up inspection treatment, and finally said to me, "this is an amazing recreation of a black and white photograph!" Of course, I'm always happy to hear compliments about my work, but I explained to him that it was indeed supposed to be in color! I mean, the figure's not gray, is it?
He looked again and acknowledged that yes, he could see some earthtone weathering, but suggested I try it a bit heavier. Then he and I got into the color-blind issue, and he thought that was fascinating. He and his buddies decided it would be a great excercise to do a project using only black and white paint!! A fine experiment in shading and gradation, they decided.

Has anyone, color-blind or not, tried something like this?
~Brian
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Posted by maddafinga on Thursday, August 21, 2003 8:11 AM
QUOTE: He and his buddies decided it would be a great excercise to do a project using only black and white paint!! A fine experiment in shading and gradation, they decided.

Has anyone, color-blind or not, tried something like this?


I have, but not with a model. I've always been fascinated by shading and gradation. It's really a challenge to recreate something in color wth black and white. Using texture helps a lot as well.


madda
Madda Trifles make perfection, but perfection is no trifle. -- Leonardo Da Vinci Tact is for those who lack the wit for sarcasm.--maddafinga
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Posted by erush on Thursday, August 21, 2003 7:41 PM
Madda, did you draw that???? [:0]

Eric
Hi, I'm Eric and I'm a Modelholic too. I think I have PE poisioning.     "Friendly fire...isn't"
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Posted by maddafinga on Friday, August 22, 2003 12:43 AM
Of course.

If you look close, you can see some of the errors. Also, I had to make the flag upside down as I ran out of room on the page. I like shades of grey :)

madda
Madda Trifles make perfection, but perfection is no trifle. -- Leonardo Da Vinci Tact is for those who lack the wit for sarcasm.--maddafinga
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Posted by J-Hulk on Friday, August 22, 2003 1:42 AM
That's beautiful, Madda!
~Brian
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Posted by maddafinga on Friday, August 22, 2003 8:02 AM
Thanks! Check out Blackwolf's post directed at me, he has several excellent pieces linked there. He's an excellent artist.

madda
Madda Trifles make perfection, but perfection is no trifle. -- Leonardo Da Vinci Tact is for those who lack the wit for sarcasm.--maddafinga
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Posted by erush on Friday, August 22, 2003 10:26 PM
Wow Madda!!! I'm impressed all to pieces!!! I can only dream of drawing something like that!!! Black Eye [B)] You and Blackwolf are both excellent artists Big Smile [:D]
Hi, I'm Eric and I'm a Modelholic too. I think I have PE poisioning.     "Friendly fire...isn't"
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Posted by maddafinga on Saturday, August 23, 2003 11:50 AM
Well thanks man! It's actually not nearly as hard as most people think it is, it just takes practice more than anything. Hopefully one day I'll be a good modeler too.

madda
Madda Trifles make perfection, but perfection is no trifle. -- Leonardo Da Vinci Tact is for those who lack the wit for sarcasm.--maddafinga
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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, August 24, 2003 10:57 PM
Just a note to let you know, you are not alone i have the same problem. I manage to sorkaround it by asking questions to someone when i buy paint then i marked the containers with a number then i added the number to my list, hey it works for me.
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Posted by J-Hulk on Monday, August 25, 2003 8:24 AM
Howdy, 1stsgt!
Yup, I'm amazed at the number of folks out there with the same problem!
I am not alone!!!
~Brian
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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, August 25, 2003 6:35 PM
Well, I supposedly have red-green colourblindness, although no matter what, I dont have trouble distinguishing between red and green. Its just those stupid dot tests that say I am red-green colourblindness. I even tried using paint swatches to see if I was red-green colourblindness and I had no trouble even with similar shades.
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