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A couple Red Flags on the Trump Chinook!

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A couple Red Flags on the Trump Chinook!
Posted by oldhooker on Thursday, October 6, 2005 5:31 PM
Upon closer examination, I have found a couple of areas on the upcoming Hook that aren't exactly accurate.[:0]Eight Ball [8]Evil [}:)]

See for yourself....


Troy was on the right track with his comment about the doghouse. Wink [;)]

Sorry for the exciting news.... Sad [:(]

Take care,
Frank

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Posted by HeavyArty on Thursday, October 6, 2005 6:37 PM
I don't really see what you are referring too. It is premature to make judgements based on so-so pics of test models. Why don't we wait for the actual kit to come out and see how it actually is before we pass judgement on it.

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Posted by Lloyd on Thursday, October 6, 2005 11:04 PM
Why would you expect this test model to change in any way? It looks as if its in an advanced stage of development to me.
Unless they have since revised the areas he has indicated, he's got a point. It looks incorrect, especially at the front anyway. Dead [xx(]
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Posted by Papa-Echo-64 on Friday, October 7, 2005 1:06 AM
Am I seeing that correctly Frank.....is the foward plylon digging to far south on the dog house? and was that never the case on any model of Hook?

That still would not keep me from buying the kit....I bet with some effort that could be fixed.
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Posted by intruder_bass on Friday, October 7, 2005 1:27 AM
Agree... Just cut off the whole thing and move it a bit aft...Wink [;)] Don't see any problem... If someday I buy this kit I will try to modify doghouses to make them "open" anywaySmile [:)]


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Posted by LemonJello on Friday, October 7, 2005 6:31 AM
I dunno...I think I'd still get one. I can understand how some of you that have flown/worked on this bird would notice those issues, but the majority of people looking at the completed model will never be able to point that out.

I'm happy that there's a new kit coming out of this workhorse. Now, bring on the -53E!
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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, October 7, 2005 7:10 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by oldhooker

Upon closer examination, I have found a couple of areas on the upcoming Hook that aren't exactly accurate.[:0]Eight Ball [8]Evil [}:)]

See for yourself....


Troy was on the right track with his comment about the doghouse. Wink [;)]

Sorry for the exciting news.... Sad [:(]

Take care,
Frank


Frank;
Yeah, it looks like the cockpit windshields and "eyebrow" windos aren't shaped right, the center windshield should be a bit smaller, which would require the pilot and copilot windows to be smaller, which in turn would require the jettisonable doors on each side to be slightly different.

The c-box cooling cut out on the aft pylon looks to be an easier fix.


Thanks For the heads up

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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, October 7, 2005 7:16 AM
Something else that I noted that wasn't pointed out, Not sure if they are gonna fix this or not, but look carefully at the chord of the blades in the test shot.

Is it me, or are those blades symetrical? All the blades I ever removed and replaced on Cs and Ds were asymetrical, unless they've gone back to symetrical blades.

Just tryin to help


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Posted by Chief Snake on Friday, October 7, 2005 1:02 PM
Easy fella's. Let it come, give me a canvas and I'll paint a hell of picture. This project puked once before because of infighting....

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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, October 7, 2005 1:35 PM
Looks okay to me in this picture

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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, October 7, 2005 1:38 PM
...and this one
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Posted by oldhooker on Friday, October 7, 2005 9:46 PM
Troy, here's a head-on view of the "F" & "A" Model, as you can see, the features have remained the same.


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No "infighting", just noticed a point of detail. Smile [:)]

After modifying that Aurora Chinook, if that's all that will need extra attention in this kit, we'll all be blessed! Wink [;)]

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Posted by DURR on Friday, October 7, 2005 11:06 PM
i really cant see the rear pylon as being wrong ONLY because the front rotors are in the way in the photo
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Posted by oldhooker on Saturday, October 8, 2005 12:16 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by DURR

i really cant see the rear pylon as being wrong ONLY because the front rotors are in the way in the photo


Hi Joe,

The area I am referring to on the aft pylon is the c-box cooling duct.... on the test kit it looks to be wider at the bottom than it should be.

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QUOTE: HeavyArty: I don't really see what you are referring too.

Here's something to look for; on the front brow of a real Chinook, the attachment points for the windshield wipers are about 8 inches above the upper rim of the windshield... on the test kit, they seem to be just above the rim. Also, on the leading edge, the vertical part of the Doghouse begins about 7 inches above the rim... on the test kit, the vertical section appears to extend all the way to the rim.


Not knit-picking with this post, just getting an idea of how much modification this $120 prospective release will require. Smile [:)]

Take care,
Frank



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Posted by Papa-Echo-64 on Saturday, October 8, 2005 12:43 AM
No problem Frank......I do not think that there are many kits out there that are 100% perfect!

Its too bad that Trumpeter doesn't do their home work very well.....I remember when they messed up the canopy to a 1/24 scale P-51D....Folks do not like to pay BIG BUCKS for kits with obvious goof ups.

Hey it could be MUCH worse! There are Sci-Fi modelers on other boards arguing over STUFF that does NOT exsist at all! Tongue [:P] very passionetly I may add......and that cracks me up!
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Posted by HeavyArty on Saturday, October 8, 2005 1:16 AM
Frank, thanks for clearing it up. I can still live with the inaccuracies though. I'm just happy to see it actually coming out soon. Still looks like a Chinook to me.

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Posted by dninness on Saturday, October 8, 2005 5:56 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by Jonathan Primm
The c-box cooling cut out on the aft pylon looks to be an easier fix.


Heh, see, that's why I'm gonna build it as a C-model! Cool [8D]

Looks like it will be time for me to learn how to use an airbrush to weather that bad boy.

Now I just have to figure out what color "aircraft soap spooge on IR Green" is, and a good way to represent the sheen of leaking 23699 on the aft fuselage under the engines..Wink [;)]



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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, October 8, 2005 6:17 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by dninness

QUOTE: Originally posted by Jonathan Primm
The c-box cooling cut out on the aft pylon looks to be an easier fix.


Heh, see, that's why I'm gonna build it as a C-model! Cool [8D]

Looks like it will be time for me to learn how to use an airbrush to weather that bad boy.

Now I just have to figure out what color "aircraft soap spooge on IR Green" is, and a good way to represent the sheen of leaking 23699 on the aft fuselage under the engines..Wink [;)]






Darren;

Yep, you and me both,

Doing an A or C you can paint the mo fo OD instead of trying to match the FS for CARC paint, and if you want to depict where some idiot ruined the paint job because they didn't think that diluting aircraft soap was any big deal, ( "well, the instructions say to mix the soap and water at a 2:9 ratio, but the aircraft is REALLY dirty, so I'll just go with 1:2 ratio instead!") you could always take what ever shade you are using and lighten it with some white or yellow and just drip it on to replicate where the soap washed out the paint on the aircraft.

It wasn't so bad or noticeable on Olive Drab, but it really ruined darker shades of green! Yep, we had brand new D models and the first trip to the wash rack with some of the idiots we had who shouldn't have been allowed anywhere within 100' of an aircraft in the first place ensured that the paint job looked like crap when they were done with it.

I'm not goin to name names because I know you remember them as well as I do.

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Posted by dkmacin on Saturday, October 8, 2005 7:42 AM
And you scoffed at the "Problem areas" of the Trumpeter SA365N!
As PPE and Frank say, you just go with the flow and be thankful you have a base to work with. . .and work on, and work on, and work on.

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Posted by DURR on Saturday, October 8, 2005 10:46 AM
i noticed something also on the front pylon on the model too( but it could be just this and not the production model) thefronpylon apears to be one pc with no shape to it
the real pylon is three pcs each diff shape and each a noticeable diff size
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Posted by Screaminhelo on Saturday, October 8, 2005 11:07 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by dninness
Now I just have to figure out what color "aircraft soap spooge on IR Green" is, and a good way to represent the sheen of leaking 23699 on the aft fuselage under the engines..Wink [;)]


Even properly diluted soap leaves a grayish residue if not completely rinsed off. Depending on the type of soap used, it may have a distinct yellow hue to it or it may look like a gray glaze has been applied over the original paint.

As for the oil stains....Oil makes even the oldest CARC look new again. Just look at how a drop of water spreads on a piece of cardboard an just replicate that. Be sure gradually blend the oil stain into the finish color and give it a very little bit of shine.

Mac

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Posted by supercobra on Saturday, October 8, 2005 11:15 AM
Is it just me or does this thing look smaller than the actual aircraft? It also looks like it is made out of some kind of plastic. Aren't the real things made out of sheet metal and some kind of composite material?
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Posted by chopperfan on Saturday, October 8, 2005 12:20 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by supercobra

Is it just me or does this thing look smaller than the actual aircraft? It also looks like it is made out of some kind of plastic. Aren't the real things made out of sheet metal and some kind of composite material?

Sign - Ditto [#ditto] Glad I wasn't the only one who noticed that!! Laugh [(-D]
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Posted by Papa-Echo-64 on Saturday, October 8, 2005 3:14 PM
HEY! that is plastic!

What a rip off! I want my money back!

ooops.....I didn't buy one yet Approve [^]
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Posted by DURR on Sunday, October 9, 2005 9:21 AM
with a list price of 120-130 range for another 50 bucks i'll see if i can talk to a couple of motor pool sargents down at the vets. club maybe one of them can get me a real one shipped home in pcs like they did with the jeeps and guns Clown [:o)]Clown [:o)]
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Posted by oldhooker on Sunday, October 9, 2005 11:26 AM
QUOTE: Is it just me or does this thing look smaller than the actual aircraft? It also looks like it is made out of some kind of plastic. Aren't the real things made out of sheet metal and some kind of composite material?


So, why then do we Modelers strive for accuracy; what's the point of it, if we are just going to turn our heads? I know it's not the real thing, but for all the money it's going to take to purchase this kit, and all the time it will obviously take then to build it, I'd kinda like to know what to look for!

Andy researched & researched some more, in order to be able to make an accurate representation of of the Blackhawk he did.... Troy researched & researched in order to make the floor of his Phrog accurate.... I'm sure the general passer-by wouldn't notice one way or the other, but THEY did! What were the results? Models that even the experts recognize. Smile [:)]

Oh yes, I'm VERY happy that a 1/35 Chinook is being released, and in whatever condition it may begin, I will craft and cut and mold and putty until the seasoned Hookers can't find anything... just like many of you will as well. Not that it is a requirement, but for personal satisfaction.

Some of you in here know exactly what I'm talking about. Smile [:)]

Take care,
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Posted by Papa-Echo-64 on Sunday, October 9, 2005 12:03 PM
Here Here!

That is it to the tee! One way or the other I believe that everyone will love this kit no matter what and many dreams are coming true for Hook lovers!

Now.......its just a matter of when? Tongue [:P]
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Posted by chopperfan on Sunday, October 9, 2005 12:57 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by oldhooker

QUOTE: Is it just me or does this thing look smaller than the actual aircraft? It also looks like it is made out of some kind of plastic. Aren't the real things made out of sheet metal and some kind of composite material?


So, why then do we Modelers strive for accuracy; what's the point of it, if we are just going to turn our heads? I know it's not the real thing, but for all the money it's going to take to purchase this kit, and all the time it will obviously take then to build it, I'd kinda like to know what to look for!

Andy researched & researched some more, in order to be able to make an accurate representation of of the Blackhawk he did.... Troy researched & researched in order to make the floor of his Phrog accurate.... I'm sure the general passer-by wouldn't notice one way or the other, but THEY did! What were the results? Models that even the experts recognize. Smile [:)]

Oh yes, I'm VERY happy that a 1/35 Chinook is being released, and in whatever condition it may begin, I will craft and cut and mold and putty until the seasoned Hookers can't find anything... just like many of you will as well. Not that it is a requirement, but for personal satisfaction.

Some of you in here know exactly what I'm talking about. Smile [:)]

Take care,
Frank

I, too, agree, Frank. BUT!! I just want to see the kit in my grubby little paws, THEN, I'll worry about what needs to be fixed/corrected.
Like Chief Snake said, it was this kind of talk that derailed this project before. Let's not do it again.
And by the way, Troy? How IS our Phrog coming along? Haven't seen any progress pictures in awhile.
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Posted by MBT70 on Sunday, October 9, 2005 2:02 PM
Two palm trees on a Winnebago ....

Double rotor, double motor, multi-malfunctioning MF!

The only aircraft that can collide with itself ........

Yeah .... I've stood on the ramp in the rain forest ....
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Posted by Screaminhelo on Sunday, October 9, 2005 2:04 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by oldhooker
So, why then do we Modelers strive for accuracy; what's the point of it, if we are just going to turn our heads? I know it's not the real thing, but for all the money it's going to take to purchase this kit, and all the time it will obviously take then to build it, I'd kinda like to know what to look for!

QUOTE: Originally posted by chopperfan
I, too, agree, Frank. BUT!! I just want to see the kit in my grubby little paws, THEN, I'll worry about what needs to be fixed/corrected.

Put this all together and what you see is those who are intimately familiar with the airframe giving everyone an idea of where to start. If you want to build a a completely accurate, down to the last detail model this is alot of help. I don't think that anyone is saying that this kit is anything but a welcome addition to the market that can be built into a nice looking kit SFTB.

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