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The Bullion Express--Boot Hill Express (Reboot 10-4-22)

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  • Member since
    July 2014
  • From: Franklin Wi
Posted by Bakster on Sunday, June 27, 2021 5:03 PM

Back to the bench

This is looking really cool!!

I now have images in my head of James West and Artemus Gordon that I watched every Saturday careening down a mountain road on this wild machine!

 

Hey thanks, Gil.

Lol. Right? I can imagine Dr Miguelito Loveless lifting the turret housing and out comes his smirking face. Stick out tongue

  • Member since
    July 2009
  • From: North Carolina
Posted by Back to the bench on Sunday, June 27, 2021 4:26 PM

This is looking really cool!!

I now have images in my head of James West and Artemus Gordon that I watched every Saturday careening down a mountain road on this wild machine!

Gil

  • Member since
    July 2014
  • From: Franklin Wi
Posted by Bakster on Sunday, June 27, 2021 3:20 PM

Color is on.

Below:  I painted the EM guns with a mix of Alclad Copper and Alclad Aluminum. Firstly, I wanted the guns a different color than the turret housing. Secondly, the added aluminum brightened the copper some. I did not want a pure copper color.

Also-- all the pieces are treated with a Vallejo Black Wash. I thought I would give the product a try. It is an acrylic based wash. I think the stuff worked very well; it was easy to work with. Any excess I didn't want was easily removed with a water moistened cotton swab. How it works on an acrylic base is yet to be seen.

I am on the fence about painting the em magnets different colors. Mostly because the detail probably won't be seen anyhow and if I can cut some work out of the build, I am all for it. I will make the final decision before install.

Below: The stack and turret housing are painted with a mix of Alclad Polished Brass and Alclad Steel. Their brass is a beautiful gold color, but it is far too close to their gold. The gold bars I will add later I want to stand out and if everything looks gold-- you kind of lose the effect. 

(Camera distortion on the stack) Speaking of the stack--I am on fence what color to paint the crown. I am leaning towards the color of the roof which will probably be a light green.

I will probably apply a topcoat to seal them, but I hate to. I love the sheen that the alclad produced. I may opt to not.

I love Alclad. Good stuff Maynard.

Below: In between things, I worked on fitting the roof to the carriage housing. Straight from the kit is a large gap where the two meet. The reason for this, as it turns out, are the circular pads. I had to drastically cut them back. And let me tell you, that was work. I used a large grained sanding stick that makes havoc with any plastic-- but there was a lot of material to cut through.

And this brings me to a side commentary. Over the months I have seen a few posts where people question the use of dremel type cutting tools in modeling. I use the thing a ton and I used it here too. Tired of endless sanding I attached a cylindrical cutter to my power tool and cut the material like it was a milling machine. It made quick work of the job and I only regret not doing that sooner. This is a case where I would have been cussing at all the hard work if I didn't have the tool. For me, the tool is almost indispensable. 

And you can see how ugly the underside is and why I probably won't have the roof removeable. Too much work to make that labotomy presentable. 

End of update.

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    July 2014
  • From: Franklin Wi
Posted by Bakster on Sunday, June 27, 2021 2:21 PM

Gamera
Well, I just love watching other people build stuff here since I'm too lazy to get anything done myself! 

Glad I can help! Surprise

  • Member since
    November 2009
  • From: SW Virginia
Posted by Gamera on Thursday, June 24, 2021 9:39 PM

Bakster

 

 
Gamera

Hoorah!!! Looking forward to seeing the first coat of paint on her!

 

 

 

Ha! I love your enthusiasm,  Cliff.  I have to tell you. Just seeing it primed is exciting to me. There is something about paint that makes the build take on a new.life.

 

Well, I just love watching other people build stuff here since I'm too lazy to get anything done myself! Sleep

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

  • Member since
    July 2014
  • From: Franklin Wi
Posted by Bakster on Thursday, June 24, 2021 12:59 PM

Gamera

Hoorah!!! Looking forward to seeing the first coat of paint on her!

 

Ha! I love your enthusiasm,  Cliff.  I have to tell you. Just seeing it primed is exciting to me. There is something about paint that makes the build take on a new.life.

  • Member since
    November 2009
  • From: SW Virginia
Posted by Gamera on Thursday, June 24, 2021 11:30 AM

Hoorah!!! Looking forward to seeing the first coat of paint on her!

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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    July 2014
  • From: Franklin Wi
Posted by Bakster on Thursday, June 24, 2021 10:49 AM

CapnMac82

 

 
Bakster
Below: None of this is secured. From here I will move towards painting the stack, turret housing, and the guns.

 

Outsanding stuff.

Steampunk might suggest a mushroom vent on the turret.  And/orr a whistle-looking appendage.  My Giggle Image-fu is poor today, I know I have seen the effect, just can't find the example.

 

Thanks Capn!  I decided to  leave it as is. I am in that good enough state of mind. Good, bad, I do not know.

Primer is applied and I hope to apply color no later than this weekend.

Thanks for your input! I always welcome it.

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  • From: Formerly Bryan, now Arlington, Texas
Posted by CapnMac82 on Tuesday, June 22, 2021 11:37 AM

Bakster
Below: None of this is secured. From here I will move towards painting the stack, turret housing, and the guns.

Outsanding stuff.

Steampunk might suggest a mushroom vent on the turret.  And/orr a whistle-looking appendage.  My Giggle Image-fu is poor today, I know I have seen the effect, just can't find the example.

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    May 2013
  • From: Indiana, USA
Posted by Greg on Monday, June 21, 2021 3:48 PM

GMorrison

Or go fu;ll blown steampunk.  Overlap the ends in two locations- 180 Deg apart. Install massive rivet heads in at least two rows top-bottom, each location. Run a ring of rivets all the way around the top and bottom.

 

That's a neat idea too.

  • Member since
    July 2014
  • From: Franklin Wi
Posted by Bakster on Monday, June 21, 2021 3:39 PM

GMorrison

Or go fu;ll blown steampunk.  Overlap the ends in two locations- 180 Deg apart. Install massive rivet heads in at least two rows top-bottom, each location. Run a ring of rivets all the way around the top and bottom.

 

Funny you mention this because I thought about doing something similar.  I like your concept better, though. In the end I nixed the idea for the sake of expediency. I often cut corners where I can. Not sure that is a good thing.

Anyway, good thought, Bill. You always have good ideas and they often end up in my models. Case in point, the turret gun! 

 

  • Member since
    September 2012
Posted by GMorrison on Monday, June 21, 2021 3:13 PM

Or go fu;ll blown steampunk.  Overlap the ends in two locations- 180 Deg apart. Install massive rivet heads in at least two rows top-bottom, each location. Run a ring of rivets all the way around the top and bottom.

 Modeling is an excuse to buy books.

 

  • Member since
    July 2014
  • From: Franklin Wi
Posted by Bakster on Monday, June 21, 2021 3:01 PM

Greg
I thought about an unsupported butt joint and an overlap glue job, never considered your solution.

This worked really well because where the two ends connect they melted together nicely. Literally, all I had to do was give the join a light sanding and the join disappeared. No filler needed. I wish it is always that easy. I like working with this stuff. 

Greg
Your verbal descriptions are good, I got everything you explained before I even enlarged the pic.

Good to hear! Yes

  • Member since
    May 2013
  • From: Indiana, USA
Posted by Greg on Monday, June 21, 2021 1:26 PM

Bakster

 

 
Greg
Great job on that turret and the guns. Your eBay rivets  really added A LOT.

 

Hey Greg--thank you sir. Yeah I think the rivets add another dimension to the piece.

 

 
Greg
How did you fasten the wall of the turret to itself when you made the circle? Certainly not a butt joint. It's surprising how well that turned out, however you did it.

 

If you look at the image you can "sort of" see. The ends are butted but I glued a strip of styrene to hold them together. You can see the strip at the far inner wall. I think it was sort of key to not make the strip too wide where memory retention might distort things. On the other hand, a strip too thin might not be enough to hold the circle either.

So basically-- once the glue was set, I worked on bending that join so that the circle carries through. It held the memory of my adjustments nicely. The areas I was most concerned about is where I cut openings. Those were weak points and the walls bulged out at those locations. This styrene is very malleable, so I was able to work out the tensions.

It's not 100% perfect but it is absolutely close enough for my purposes. Actually-- for the time period of the piece-- I don't want it looking perfect. 

Thanks for asking and checking in!

 

Ahah!

Yes, I can see the 'splice' when I enlarge the pic. I thought about an unsupported butt joint and an overlap glue job, never considered your solution.

Your verbal descriptions are good, I got everything you explained before I even enlarged the pic. Yes

  • Member since
    July 2014
  • From: Franklin Wi
Posted by Bakster on Monday, June 21, 2021 11:43 AM

Tanker-Builder

Hi:

        When I build things like that this is what I do. All the openings have .010 supports inside out of the different sight lines. That avoids the Bulges.

 

I want to know more. How do you run the supports around the openings? What  sort of shape to them? Place them vertical? Horizontal? 

 

  • Member since
    October 2019
  • From: New Braunfels, Texas
Posted by Tanker-Builder on Monday, June 21, 2021 11:32 AM

Hi:

        When I build things like that this is what I do. All the openings have .010 supports inside out of the different sight lines. That avoids the Bulges.

  • Member since
    July 2014
  • From: Franklin Wi
Posted by Bakster on Monday, June 21, 2021 8:43 AM

Greg
Great job on that turret and the guns. Your eBay rivets  really added A LOT.

Hey Greg--thank you sir. Yeah I think the rivets add another dimension to the piece.

Greg
How did you fasten the wall of the turret to itself when you made the circle? Certainly not a butt joint. It's surprising how well that turned out, however you did it.

If you look at the image you can "sort of" see. The ends are butted but I glued a strip of styrene to hold them together. You can see the strip at the far inner wall. I think it was sort of key to not make the strip too wide where memory retention might distort things. On the other hand, a strip too thin might not be enough to hold the circle either.

So basically-- once the glue was set, I worked on bending that join so that the circle carries through. It held the memory of my adjustments nicely. The areas I was most concerned about is where I cut openings. Those were weak points and the walls bulged out at those locations. This styrene is very malleable, so I was able to work out the tensions.

It's not 100% perfect but it is absolutely close enough for my purposes. Actually-- for the time period of the piece-- I don't want it looking perfect. 

Thanks for asking and checking in!

  • Member since
    May 2013
  • From: Indiana, USA
Posted by Greg on Monday, June 21, 2021 7:20 AM

Great job on that turret and the guns. Your eBay rivets  really added A LOT. Guns are so nice, half a shame to hide them inside the turret.

How did you fasten the wall of the turret to itself when you made the circle? Certainly not a butt joint. It's surprising how well that turned out, however you did it.

I vaguely remember those pop cans Bill mentioned too, and also never heard of the neat trick.

 

  • Member since
    July 2014
  • From: Franklin Wi
Posted by Bakster on Monday, June 21, 2021 1:05 AM

steve5

love your vivid imagination mate .

 

Hey Steve! Hold that thought! I see some gold bandits coming...

 


Ok. Now what were we talking about? Oh yeah, vivid imagination.

steve5
this is looking pretty cool steve

Thanks Steve!

Btw. I just awoke on the couch. I was watching episode 20 of the Midwest Model Missouri build. All that PE... Wow! You sir will be an PE expert when you are done with your kit.

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    July 2013
Posted by steve5 on Monday, June 21, 2021 12:42 AM

this is looking pretty cool steve , love your vivid imagination mate .

 

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    July 2014
  • From: Franklin Wi
Posted by Bakster on Monday, June 21, 2021 12:33 AM

GMorrison

There was an episode in the Batman TV show where Penguin and his crew raided a bank vault but were surrounded. They escaped by  this,,,

 

There you go! Don't mess with armament! Lol.

  • Member since
    July 2014
  • From: Franklin Wi
Posted by Bakster on Monday, June 21, 2021 12:32 AM

GMorrison

 

 
CapnMac82
Bottle caps offer endless opportunities.

 

When we were little boys in the 1950's, pop bottle caps had a little cork disk in them.

If you pried that out, held in inside your tee-shirts and pressed the cap on, you were General Patton.

 

Bill

 

I remember those bottle caps with the cork but I don't recall doing what you did. Too bad too! Sounds like fun!

  • Member since
    September 2012
Posted by GMorrison on Sunday, June 20, 2021 10:23 PM

There was an episode in the Batman TV show where Penguin and his crew raided a bank vault but were surrounded. They escaped by  this,,,

 Modeling is an excuse to buy books.

 

  • Member since
    September 2012
Posted by GMorrison on Sunday, June 20, 2021 10:14 PM

CapnMac82
Bottle caps offer endless opportunities.

When we were little boys in the 1950's, pop bottle caps had a little cork disk in them.

If you pried that out, held in inside your tee-shirts and pressed the cap on, you were General Patton.

 

Bill

 Modeling is an excuse to buy books.

 

  • Member since
    July 2014
  • From: Franklin Wi
Posted by Bakster on Sunday, June 20, 2021 9:36 PM

Gamera
Lol, hey why not!!! Love the idea and she looks awesome! The guns are so cool! 

Thanks Cliff! You know... if I run out of bandits to shoot at... I can always load exploding ammo and blow out gold ore from the rock faces. Beer

  • Member since
    July 2014
  • From: Franklin Wi
Posted by Bakster on Sunday, June 20, 2021 9:12 PM

Tanker-Builder
War Wagon" Now did you?

Lol. This carriage will be loaded with bullion. A hybrid war wagon seems prudent. Afterall, the Boot Hill Mountains are crawling with gold bandits. It's best to carry a big stick. Wink

Tanker-Builder
I do like All you've done so far, really!

Thanks TB!

  • Member since
    November 2009
  • From: SW Virginia
Posted by Gamera on Sunday, June 20, 2021 8:42 PM

Tanker-Builder

Wait Just one Minute!!!

        You didn't say your idea would wind up being a copy of the " War Wagon" Now did you? I do like All you've done so far, really!

 

Lol, hey why not!!! Love the idea and she looks awesome! The guns are so cool! 

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

  • Member since
    October 2019
  • From: New Braunfels, Texas
Posted by Tanker-Builder on Sunday, June 20, 2021 7:00 PM

Wait Just one Minute!!!

        You didn't say your idea would wind up being a copy of the " War Wagon" Now did you? I do like All you've done so far, really!

  • Member since
    July 2014
  • From: Franklin Wi
Posted by Bakster on Sunday, June 20, 2021 5:13 PM

Here are some photos of what I came up with. Basically, I followed the pattern of GMs John Wayne movie photo. The style of it fits the quirkiness I was looking for.

Below: I started by cutting a wide strip of styrene gluing the ends together forming a circle. Not having tried this before, I was concerned with out of roundness. I was expecting I might need to add bracing bringing the walls into shape, but I didn't have to. I was able to bend and shape the styrene to form a decent circle. I was glad because bracing would have shown through the openings, I would not have liked that.

Below: You will see that I used these. Got them off Ebay.

I had a good day fabricating the guns yesterday. I didn't plan on making them as I did. Honestly, I had two goals in mind. I wanted two guns that were different in style and size, one of them having a large muzzle. The second goal was to add a little junk behind them to simulate a stock and/or whatever. It was a rare model session where everything clicked, and the guns formed almost on their own. I found pieces in my junk box that I could repurpose and that was half the battle.

Today-- things didn't go as well. I spent 2 hours trying to mount and fit the pieces. I needed four hands, 3 eyes, and a glue that set faster. Both Tamiya and CA were both painfully slow setting, adding to the struggle. But-- perseverance won the day.

For the larger muzzle I inset a piece of brass tubing to reduce the ID of the inner barrel. The styrene ID was a bit too large for my taste.

And btw. This is another example of Nemo's technology. These are magnetic rail guns. The nodes on top of the gun housings are electromagnets. They force projectiles out of the barrel at high velocity. Wink

The enclosure: The top rim was made using half round stock. The Bottom trim is T stock, similar to how I did the stack. The frame openings and top cover were cut from flat stock.

 

Below: None of this is secured.

From here I will move towards painting the stack, turret housing, and the guns.

 

Steve

 

 

 

 

  • Member since
    November 2009
  • From: SW Virginia
Posted by Gamera on Thursday, June 17, 2021 11:29 AM

Gregbale: Very cool! And yes, it's beautiful country up there.

Bakster: Oh yeah, looking forward to more!

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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