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  • Member since
    July 2014
  • From: Franklin Wi
Posted by Bakster on Sunday, November 28, 2021 1:31 PM

PS: The formatting of the last post is wonky because after an hour and half of working on this, when submit your reply was hit-- the whole thing dumped with an FSM error. I had to start all over. Fortunately, I had all the verbiage saved in Word. But when pasted from Word all the indents get hosed.

 

Ridiculous. 

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  • From: Franklin Wi
Posted by Bakster on Sunday, November 28, 2021 1:24 PM

 

And the rear lanterns are done.

 

I will start by saying that the lanterns were sadly molded. There were steps and misaligned parting lines that lead to distorted shapes. More on that later.

For now, I want to mention a technique I came up with on my Icarus build. When I constructed the flooring on the Icarus I wanted a way to round corners while at the same time fill joins. I accomplished this by flowing CA over the entire piece. I used a disposable hobby brush dipped into thin CA. Excess is shaken or wicked off the piece. And if more filling was required to round corners, more CA was added. Once cured, I was able to sand the piece to a perfect finish. The added benefit of using CA glue is that it strengthens the piece. 

 

This brings me to my lanterns. Because of the issues mentioned earlier there were defects that I'd need to spend time fixing, probably by using fillers, or primer. That would be difficult to do given the size of these and the tight quarters of some areas. Not in the mood to deal with that-- I opted to flow on CA. By doing this it filled any minor imperfections, and it glossed the piece making it perfect for a thin layer of Alclad paint. And by doing this it also rounded, in some cases, helped align some wonky lines. 

 

This is not something one would want to do on intricate detail, but it is nice option where one is not that concerned about it. Such was the case here. 

Painted with Tamiya flat black, then coated with CA.

 

 

Below: The lanterns painted with Alclad Brass, sealed with Testors Dullcote. A side note about the dullcote, it knocks down the metal shine and some of its nice effect. That is good or bad depending on what you prefer.

 

Sadly--once I painted them, I notice how wonky the symmetry is between the two. I should have spent more time addressing that. In my defense it was not as apparent to me until painted. Too bad now-- I am not wasting time fixing it. Henceforth--the lanterns were damaged during a firefight with a roaming band of gold bandits. The repairs less than desirable. 

 

 

Below: The lenses are installed using Future. The process was this: The lenses were first coated with future, both the front and back, the coatings allowed to cure. Then the lenses are positioned on the lanterns, a fine brush dipped into future, a fine bead of future drawn around the circumference of the lens. This allows the future to wick around and under the lens, setting it in place some. I didn't want the lens moving on me before the next step because if the lens moved on me and I could not align it quick enough, I may end up with a marred finish from my trying to readjust things. Before that application sets too much, I dip the brush with more future, starting at the top center work future over the entire lens, flowing the future towards the joins. Then let is set. 

 

 

Below: I love how light plays on lenses coated with future. That is the beauty of using future because it enhances the depth of clear parts, it removes imperfections, it enhances optical clarity, and it provides a nice clean install. Along with that it gives a decent bond because the wax wicks incredibly well flowing around and under the piece. It self-levels extremely well too!

 

 

And this brings up a tip for anyone wanting to try this. I find it important to coat the front and back of the lens first, allowing the applications to cure. Because of the extreme wicking action, the wax will wick under your lens and if you don't coat it first, you may notice areas where the wax creeped. Somehow-- by coating the piece first-- any creepage does not get seen. It blends perfectly. 

Sorry about the next images but I find imaging lighted Leds next to impossible. The bright light overexposes blowing out the detail, so I must underexpose it dramatically. Secondly, the color does not translate well. It is difficult to image the red color. To the human eye, the lenses are red, they are bright, and they look nice when lit.

Timmy-- if you have your ears on-- I am using some parts that you sent me. I will use the parts below as part of the rock auger assembly. I plan to light the tip of the auger. This a nuclear enhanced bit that melts rock as it augers through it. That Nemo is genius!

 Phew. This update was work!

 

Later gator.

 

  • Member since
    July 2014
  • From: Franklin Wi
Posted by Bakster on Saturday, November 27, 2021 4:35 PM

A Muse

I had my brother over for a visit last night and at the end of the evening he asked, how is the model going? I updated him. To which he asked, what will be next? I reply, the rock auger. He replied, What! He was mortified, like I am killing the project.

His reaction and confusion was not expected. Somehow, he maintained a vision that this will remain a hot rod of some sort. He asked, why would a hot rod have a rock auger? To which I reply, this is not a hot rod build, it is a gold carrying Nemo inspired mining carriage.Stick out tongue  He replies, yeah I know, but why would this car or carriage have a rock auger? I reply, why would a carriage have a gun turret and smoke stack! Lol.

I mean seriously.

That is my muse for the day. Indifferent

 

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  • From: Franklin Wi
Posted by Bakster on Saturday, November 27, 2021 3:55 PM

mustang1989

This is just one bad A$$ build so far Steve. You're sure throwing about everything you can throw at it into it. Wow man. Whadda show!!!!

 

Hey Joe, I don't know what to say other than ... THANKS! THAT and, the show must go on!

PS: The lanterns are done. I should have an update later today or tomorrow. Smile

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  • From: Franklin Wi
Posted by Bakster on Saturday, November 27, 2021 3:49 PM

Tanker-Builder
I once built a four speed cut-away tranny in 1/16 scale with Watch crowns( The little external Knob for setting it), As the gears in the tranny! I had to show the crowns, cause folks had a hard time believing it. It's easier than it sounds! So- I had a little baggie of them on display next to the Tranny/Clutch assembly

It sounds awesome TB. I wish I could see it.

And thanks for the kind words.

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  • From: Corpus Christi, Tx
Posted by mustang1989 on Saturday, November 27, 2021 7:54 AM

This is just one bad A$$ build so far Steve. You're sure throwing about everything you can throw at it into it. Wow man. Whadda show!!!!

                   

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  • From: New Braunfels, Texas
Posted by Tanker-Builder on Friday, November 26, 2021 1:39 PM

OHO !!

       Advanced modeler my foot! I now model for pleasure (Mine, for sure) And you do what you feel is right. I for one have done this in the past too. What you are doing is awesome and will always remain so in my Book!!

       Remember I specialize in ships so all bets for parts are always in play from Tractor Supply toy aisle to the Hardware Store for those miniature kerosene lights for Stack Crowns on Riverboats, with PVC for the Stacks!

        I once built a four speed cut-away tranny in 1/16 scale with Watch crowns( The little external Knob for setting it), As the gears in the tranny! I had to show the crowns, cause folks had a hard time believing it. It's easier than it sounds! So- I had a little baggie of them on display next to the Tranny/Clutch assembly

 

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  • From: SW Virginia
Posted by Gamera on Thursday, November 25, 2021 6:56 PM

And the same back to you guys! 

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

  • Member since
    July 2014
  • From: Franklin Wi
Posted by Bakster on Thursday, November 25, 2021 4:32 PM

CapnMac82

Outstanding lanterns.

Happy Turkey Day.

 

Hey thanks Capn and Gamera.

Happy Thanksgiving to you All!

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  • From: Formerly Bryan, now Arlington, Texas
Posted by CapnMac82 on Thursday, November 25, 2021 1:40 PM

Outstanding lanterns.

Happy Turkey Day.

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  • From: SW Virginia
Posted by Gamera on Thursday, November 25, 2021 9:31 AM

Love those lanterns! Looking forward to seeing her all lighted up like a Christmas tree!!!

Will check out Lighthouse Lighting too, I keep saying I'm going to light another Trek ship but never ever get around to it...

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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  • From: Franklin Wi
Posted by Bakster on Tuesday, November 23, 2021 3:46 PM

keavdog

Very cool!  Maybe you can submit this thread to Popular Science when your done ;)

 

Thanks! 

What would the article be called? Hipster nuclear gold faring war wagon?Smile

 

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    July 2014
  • From: Franklin Wi
Posted by Bakster on Tuesday, November 23, 2021 3:43 PM

Back to the bench
Thanks a bunch for the good feedback on Lighthouse Lighting, I may just place an order or two with them. Add

No problem. I like to endorse companies that provide good service and these guys have done well for me. They processand ship quickly too. 

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  • From: North Carolina
Posted by Back to the bench on Tuesday, November 23, 2021 2:33 PM

Bakster

 

 
Back to the bench
Sorry for the spam if this method is not of interest and congrats on the progress and great results thus far. Add Quote to your Post

 

Hey Gil, thanks for the encouragment. Regarding what you posted, no way Jose. That is all good info and I am glad you noted it because it might help people to try lighting. If it makes things easier for people and gets folks over the hump to try it, all the better.

Btw. The source you linked to, Lighthouse Lighting, is where people can buy these chip LEDs prewired. I have bought from these people several times and they do a good job. What I love about them is they offer a complete array of LEDs, at reasonable prices, with no minimum buys. You can even buy resistors from them. Also, on most all of their LEDs they have  instructions and or notes about what resistors to use. They do a good job. In my post I had mentioned buying from Amazon, but that was a few years back and before I discovered these guys. I will be buying from Lighthouse for all my lighting needs.

Thanks again for posting that. It advances knowledge on the subject and that is a good thing.

 

Thanks a bunch for the good feedback on Lighthouse Lighting, I may just place an order or two with them.

Gil

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  • From: USA
Posted by keavdog on Tuesday, November 23, 2021 12:42 PM

Very cool!  Maybe you can submit this thread to Popular Science when your done ;)

Thanks,

John

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    July 2014
  • From: Franklin Wi
Posted by Bakster on Tuesday, November 23, 2021 9:17 AM

Dodgy

Soooooo awesome! At some time I want to have a crack at lighting with LEDs, but I think it will require a bit more study!

 

 

Sounds like a plan!

PS: It looks like your message was finally released from the Gulag. Yes

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    May 2013
  • From: Indiana, USA
Posted by Greg on Monday, November 22, 2021 8:23 AM

Bakster

 

 
Greg

The lantern is very cool, Steve. Yes

 

 

 

Thanks Greg.. I cant wait to see it painted, with the lens, and lit up.

 

 

Me too.

  • Member since
    July 2014
  • From: Franklin Wi
Posted by Bakster on Sunday, November 21, 2021 7:25 PM

Greg

The lantern is very cool, Steve. Yes

 

Thanks Greg.. I cant wait to see it painted, with the lens, and lit up.

 

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  • From: Lakes Entrance, Victoria, Australia.
Posted by Dodgy on Sunday, November 21, 2021 7:23 PM

Soooooo awesome! At some time I want to have a crack at lighting with LEDs, but I think it will require a bit more study!

I long to live in a world where chickens can cross the road without having their motives questioned

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  • From: Indiana, USA
Posted by Greg on Sunday, November 21, 2021 7:04 PM

The lantern is very cool, Steve. Yes

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  • From: Franklin Wi
Posted by Bakster on Sunday, November 21, 2021 5:34 PM

Back to the bench
Sorry for the spam if this method is not of interest and congrats on the progress and great results thus far. Add Quote to your Post

Hey Gil, thanks for the encouragment. Regarding what you posted, no way Jose. That is all good info and I am glad you noted it because it might help people to try lighting. If it makes things easier for people and gets folks over the hump to try it, all the better.

Btw. The source you linked to, Lighthouse Lighting, is where people can buy these chip LEDs prewired. I have bought from these people several times and they do a good job. What I love about them is they offer a complete array of LEDs, at reasonable prices, with no minimum buys. You can even buy resistors from them. Also, on most all of their LEDs they have  instructions and or notes about what resistors to use. They do a good job. In my post I had mentioned buying from Amazon, but that was a few years back and before I discovered these guys. I will be buying from Lighthouse for all my lighting needs.

Thanks again for posting that. It advances knowledge on the subject and that is a good thing.

  • Member since
    July 2014
  • From: Franklin Wi
Posted by Bakster on Sunday, November 21, 2021 5:17 PM

steve5

This is going to look so cool Steve , all that info is going to come in handy to mate .

 

Thanks Steve.  Glad it helps too! 

I might be repeating myself on some of this about LEDs and such, but I am hoping it helps some folks to try lighting. Making LED circuits  can seem intimidating but it is not that hard really. 

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  • From: North Carolina
Posted by Back to the bench on Sunday, November 21, 2021 4:19 PM

Bakster
TIP: Many times, the values noted are non-standard decade values. Keep in mind that you can combine resistors to get the overall value that you need. To make that work you must solder them in series for the values to combine.

This really is looking great! FWIW here is a link for another option when using LEDs in projects. Since LEDs require a particular current to achieve their intended brightness (and also to not suffer damage) companies make constant current supplies for driving LEDs. This is one I have been looking at for projects (full disclosure I have not tried it yet). The nice thing about these is they are small, accomodate a wide range of usable input voltages and you do not need a resistor for each LED which can be handy in really tight spaces. Of course the caveat is that you must stay below the max current rating for the driver when using it to drive your string of LEDs. Their website has a good explanation of the basic principles and a good use example for the math.

https://lighthouseleds.com/20ma-led-current-limiter-driver.html

Sorry for the spam if this method is not of interest and congrats on the progress and great results thus far.

Gil

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Posted by steve5 on Sunday, November 21, 2021 3:31 PM

This is going to look so cool Steve , all that info is going to come in handy to mate .

 

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    July 2014
  • From: Franklin Wi
Posted by Bakster on Sunday, November 21, 2021 12:54 PM

Typical LED chips come in sizes of 0402, 0605, 0805, 1206, and 1210. There are larger than the 1210 but it would not be typical to use them for modeling purposes. Nor do I stock the 0402 simply because they are just too small. For my lanterns, the 0805 seemed to fit best and are adequate in terms of light output.

Below:  I purchased these through Amazon, and it gives you an idea of how they come. They are preloaded in strips for auto insertion equipment purposes. For my purposes, you simply pull back the tape gaining access to the LED. 

Below: This gives you an idea of just how small these are. I can't imagine the 0402 size. Wires are soldered to the solder pads located on each end of the chip. Don't ask me how, but I was able to, and even with using the oversized solder tip that I have. I believe a person can order these pre-wired should one not want to deal with it.

The Process

1. To reduce light bleed, I painted the interior of the housing with black paint.

2. The wires are fed through and the chip is pulled into the lantern.

3. The LED is carefully positioned so that the LED faces the front of the housing, covering the entire opening.

4. From the back I tacked the LED in place using a small amount of CA.

5. I filled the chamber with 5-minute epoxy, being careful to create a sort of dome that can be sanded level. Not shown, but this worked very well. I have only minor filling to do on one of the lanterns, the other came out perfect.

You can see the LED face.

Making sure gremlins didn't crawl in. The lens is not installed.

I always marvel at the light intensity of these little things. I see spots when the power is turned off. Such cool technology. 

For all you DIYers. I found this handy resistor calculator. You plug in the parameters, and it tells you what resistance you will need. The actual resistance value to use does not have to be exact, but fairly close. 

http://www.hebeiltd.com.cn/?p=zz.led.resistor.calculator#single

TIP: Many times, the values noted are non-standard decade values. Keep in mind that you can combine resistors to get the overall value that you need. To make that work you must solder them in series for the values to combine.

 Next up is to finish paint prep, paint, then attach the lenses.

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  • From: Franklin Wi
Posted by Bakster on Tuesday, November 16, 2021 12:18 AM

Gamera

That looks fantastic Bakster! 

Please keep informed in how the lanterns go- love how it's going so far. 

Heart

 

Thanks Cliff, and will do!

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    July 2014
  • From: Franklin Wi
Posted by Bakster on Tuesday, November 16, 2021 12:17 AM

CapnMac82

 

 
Bakster
Yeah good advice about the CA and fogging.

 

The extra glossy Modge Podge is handy for clear bits, too.  It ehaves better than other clear options--much like CrystalKlear, just not at the price point (it doesn't want to make a window, though [frownface])

 

Oh yeah, heard that some folks use that too. Good point.

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  • From: Formerly Bryan, now Arlington, Texas
Posted by CapnMac82 on Monday, November 15, 2021 6:15 PM

Bakster
Yeah good advice about the CA and fogging.

The extra glossy Modge Podge is handy for clear bits, too.  It ehaves better than other clear options--much like CrystalKlear, just not at the price point (it doesn't want to make a window, though [frownface])

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  • From: SW Virginia
Posted by Gamera on Monday, November 15, 2021 5:40 PM

That looks fantastic Bakster! 

Please keep informed in how the lanterns go- love how it's going so far. 

Heart

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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  • From: Franklin Wi
Posted by Bakster on Monday, November 15, 2021 11:50 AM

goldhammer88

Nice work.

Question....you mentioned the foil backing on the stones.  How is that going to affect the light transmission through them?

Might look at a dab of either clear epoxy or one of the canopy glues, just in case the CA fogs the stones, unless your tests show it won't.

 

Thanks.

I will peel off the foil backing. That then removes any barrier leaving it wide open for light to travel.

Yeah good advice about the CA and fogging. Aside from epoxy, or canopy glue that are both good options, I might use Future. The stuff gives a decent bond, dries clear, and it enhance clarity. I have used future before to attach clear parts and it works great. In fact, I used it on the engine and with the acrylic windows. The future flows into the piece giving it a nice clean look. I have used it to mount aircraft lights too. They look awesome.

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