A-1 Skyraider ordnance question

But seriously, folks...

For Navy/Marines

http://www.abledogs.com/

For the USAF

http://skyraider.org/skyassn/imcol.htm

Check the galleries

Here's one with a gun pod, weight's offset by a drop tank on the other plyon. Tenth SPAD down the page:

http://skyraider.org/skyassn/otherpics/mignard/4407ccts/4407ccts.htm

Regarding load-outs, I'm no ordie, but gunpods would be easiest to boresight the farther they are inboard.  I'd also hazard a guess that the heavy stuff is inboard, lighter stuff outboard

The weapons load was variable.  I ahve seen pictures of them with the 20mm pods on the main pylon with dispenser tubes next, and then 2.75inch rocket pods, some with the nose caps and some without.  Other aircraft carried cluster bombs, napalm, and rockets.  It just depended on how they wanted them configured. 

When the A-7Ds of the 3rd TFS at Korat took over Sandy Alert, they were set up with rockets and cbu dispensers.  

The weapons load was variable.  I ahve seen pictures of them with the 20mm pods on the main pylon with dispenser tubes next, and then 2.75inch rocket pods, some with the nose caps and some without.  Other aircraft carried cluster bombs, napalm, and rockets.  It just depended on how they wanted them configured. 

When the A-7Ds of the 3rd TFS at Korat took over Sandy Alert, they were set up with rockets and cbu dispensers.  

Hans von Hammer wrote:

But seriously, folks... For Navy/Marines http://www.abledogs.com/ For the USAF http://skyraider.org/skyassn/imcol.htm   Check the galleries   Here's one with a gun pod, weight's offset by a drop tank on the other plyon. Tenth SPAD down the page: http://skyraider.org/skyassn/otherpics/mignard/4407ccts/4407ccts.htm Regarding load-outs, I'm no ordie, but gunpods would be easiest to boresight the farther they are inboard.  I'd also hazard a guess that the heavy stuff is inboard, lighter stuff outboard

Hans

Can you tell me the difference between the napalm bombs in the photos? Was the silver type heavier than the OD?

Hans von Hammer wrote:

I'm not exactly sure which napalm canisters you're looking at, so I don't know which one you want.  But, from what I can see, all the napalm canisters are silver, they're the ones with the red stripes & markings, which I know is the ID color for incendiary (meaning fire) devices.  Ordnace in OD with yellow markings is HE.  The other tanks on the SPADs are fuel tanks, the OD over grey tanks... As to the weight of the napalm canisters used on the Skyraider, I don't have that reference handy, but I know that they are measured in gallons, not pounds.  So figure the capacity of the canister in gallons, and then multiply the number of gallons times the weight of a gallon of napalm, and you can figure it out.  Overall, naplam canisters aren't all that heavy empty, they're just fuel tanks, more or less...

Here is the napalm load in question

The skyraider looks to fully loaded with napalm.

The silver canisters look to from the BLU family of napalm while the green "bombs" appear to be either Mk 47 or Mk 77. Amy I correct?

modelbuilder wrote:

I am working on my Tamiya USAF A-1 Skyraider and would like to build it as a close support bird flying on a ground strafing mission. I was considering adding two gun pods, which I have seen in combat photos, the rockets from the kit, and Hasegawa napalm bombs. Would this be a proper load out? Could the napalm be carried anywhere else other than the two inner pylons? What about the gun pods?

I've seen them with just about anything and everything that could be attached to the hardpoints on them. Often with so much junk under there that it seemed like they'd never get off the ground. The only thing I never saw under one was a load of snakeyes, but then again I actually only saw them once every couple months when I was down south.

gary

Hans von Hammer wrote:

I don't think there were any Mk 77 anpes in Vietnam... I'd go with Mk 47s, but I don't have any references that show the 47s painted at all, other than the red markings..

Any Mk 47s out there in 1/48 scale?

Dunno... I won't say there aren't, but I don't know of any.  Might have to do it with a modded fuel tank..

EDIT_ I think I may have a link you want..

http://www.designation-systems.net/usmilav/asetds/u-b.html#_BLU

Hans von Hammer wrote:

I don't think there were any Mk 77 anpes in Vietnam... I'd go with Mk 47s, but I don't have any references that show the 47s painted at all, other than the red markings..

I used to go by the napalm bomb dump in Chu Lai everytime I was headed to the MAG 13 and MAG 10 PX's. Every bomb was the same in size. Didn't matter if it was used on an A-6 or a Phantom and A-4's. How many gallons of juice they held I don't know, but suspect they were all pretty much the same in size no matter where you were.

gary

squeakie wrote:

Hans von Hammer wrote: I don't think there were any Mk 77 anpes in Vietnam... I'd go with Mk 47s, but I don't have any references that show the 47s painted at all, other than the red markings.. I used to go by the napalm bomb dump in Chu Lai everytime I was headed to the MAG 13 and MAG 10 PX's. Every bomb was the same in size. Didn't matter if it was used on an A-6 or a Phantom and A-4's. How many gallons of juice they held I don't know, but suspect they were all pretty much the same in size no matter where you were. gary

gary

Ive concluded the same from the research Ive done in the last few days. I ordered a set of Mk 77s from Sprue Brothers. I will make any needed mods and use them.

squeakie wrote:

Hans von Hammer wrote: I don't think there were any Mk 77 anpes in Vietnam... I'd go with Mk 47s, but I don't have any references that show the 47s painted at all, other than the red markings.. I used to go by the napalm bomb dump in Chu Lai everytime I was headed to the MAG 13 and MAG 10 PX's. Every bomb was the same in size. Didn't matter if it was used on an A-6 or a Phantom and A-4's. How many gallons of juice they held I don't know, but suspect they were all pretty much the same in size no matter where you were. gary

gary

Ive concluded the same from the research Ive done in the last few days. I ordered a set of Mk 77s from Sprue Brothers. I will make any needed mods and use them.

 There were at least 9 different types of Napes and FAEs that were of different weights and lengths, from the 33-gallon BLU-10 to the BLU-72/B FAE that weighed in with 2,245 lbs. of propane...

Hans von Hammer wrote:

There were at least 9 different types of Napes and FAEs that were of different weights and lengths, from the 33-gallon BLU-10 to the BLU-72/B FAE that weighed in with 2,245 lbs. of propane...

I only saw that one size over there, and it was the only Napalm dump in Chu Lai. Your right in that they are always silver colored.

gary

squeakie wrote:

Hans von Hammer wrote:  There were at least 9 different types of Napes and FAEs that were of different weights and lengths, from the 33-gallon BLU-10 to the BLU-72/B FAE that weighed in with 2,245 lbs. of propane...   I only saw that one size over there, and it was the only Napalm dump in Chu Lai. Your right in that they are always silver colored. gary

Im still confused. The Skyraider in the pics I uploaded clearly has som OD green Napalm canisters under the wings and in the link of designation there are some clear photos of OD green Napalm bombs with the red stripe

 What are the types of iron bombs on this Toilet Bomber Skyraider?  Someone, anyone??

FergusonSM

 What are the types of iron bombs on this Toilet Bomber Skyraider?  Someone, anyone??

If you look at the tail fins and the shape of the nose it looks like a SUU-30 on the inboard pylon.  The other two look like MK-117 750 pound bombs.  Without getting a good look at the tail fins, it is hard to tell. 

Does this help?

Yes it does.  It is a SUU-30 on the inboard and the old styes WWll and Korea era 500 pound bombs on the other two stations.  I don't know who made the toilet bomb or what type it is.  

 Great thanks. Now where do I find these in 1/72nd scale?

Ask around on this site.  Someone may have what you need in 1/72 scale.  I am sorry that I don't have anything you need in that scale.

 Thanks for all the help. The SUU-30 is the missing link for a special project. The 500 pounders are too easy.

FergusonSM

 Thanks for all the help. The SUU-30 is the missing link for a special project. The 500 pounders are too easy.

Check out the link below.

http://modelingmadness.com/scotts/accessories/spectre/sr72w001.htm

modelbuilder

Im still confused. The Skyraider in the pics I uploaded clearly has som OD green Napalm canisters under the wings and in the link of designation there are some clear photos of OD green Napalm bombs with the red stripe

The good thing is, if you've got a pic of it, you're not going to be 'wrong' for putting the Napalm canisters in OD...