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1/48 B-17 Group Build...ALL INVITED TO JOIN!

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Posted by bondoman on Friday, October 9, 2009 11:13 AM
 Hans von Hammer wrote:
Well, one thing to keep in mind is that the kit came out in the mid-70s... So it, along with most all of Monogram's "Super Scale" series of the era had some canopy fit-issues of one kind or another... But they're still strong among my favorites... Hell, if every kit fit perfect every time, half the fun would be gone in building these kits.. Issues such as these are what separates builders from assemblers... Were the Fort to be done by another manufacturer, like Trumpeter, for instance, they might make it fit perfect all the way around, but it would cost over a C-note to buy as well...  After all, look at their C-47.. 100+ bucks for it and it didn't even include any crew & paratrooper figures like the Monogram offering... They went whole-hog on interior detailing that's 90% hidden from view.  Monogram was able to get two versions of the Gooney in one box and then later, got a DC-3 and AC-47 out of it ...  
Oh, I'm a big fan. I cut my teeth on Revell 1/32, but then "discovered" all of the Monogram 1/48 Navy subjects. They were FUN. I've never built the Visible Fort or Mustang tho.
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Posted by Hans von Hammer on Friday, October 9, 2009 10:54 AM
Well, one thing to keep in mind is that the kit came out in the mid-70s... So it, along with most all of Monogram's "Super Scale" series of the era had some canopy fit-issues of one kind or another... But they're still strong among my favorites... Hell, if every kit fit perfect every time, half the fun would be gone in building these kits.. Issues such as these are what separates builders from assemblers... Were the Fort to be done by another manufacturer, like Trumpeter, for instance, they might make it fit perfect all the way around, but it would cost over a C-note to buy as well...  After all, look at their C-47.. 100+ bucks for it and it didn't even include any crew & paratrooper figures like the Monogram offering... They went whole-hog on interior detailing that's 90% hidden from view.  Monogram was able to get two versions of the Gooney in one box and then later, got a DC-3 and AC-47 out of it ...  

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Posted by bondoman on Thursday, October 8, 2009 11:14 PM
 B-17 Guy wrote:
The nose cone fits for crap! I recomend a vac form replacement, that's what I'm doing. Or like hans said, you can shim the nose seams, I had to do this on my F model beacuse of the cut and paste nose section. Shimming was a pain in the @ss BUT....I also found that it helped the cockpit windows to fit much better, it looked so much better that I went back and cracked the already glued and painted upper seam of the nose on the G model and shimmed her to.
Sounds like mono got them from the same shop that fabbed their P-61 canopies! That place needs to recalibrate, methinkin'
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Posted by B17Pilot on Thursday, October 8, 2009 10:18 PM
I just test fitted my nose cone over the tape I'm using as a mask and it looked like it will fit well.  I guess its hit or miss with this part.  I have a vacuformed nose cone I was going to use originally, so I guess I keep this one around for another kit with a bad nose cone.

  

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Posted by DantheMan85 on Thursday, October 8, 2009 9:58 PM
Yeah that always seem's to be the case, I find it on this big bird kits.  Like my Peacemaker, so many problem's.  But when you look at the picture on the box it almost looks perfect.  Like what kit did they put together? why are we stuck with this kit that has so many problems. lol

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Posted by DantheMan85 on Thursday, October 8, 2009 9:57 PM
Yeah that always seem's to be the case, I find it on this big bird kits.  Like my Peacemaker, so many problem's.  But when you look at the picture on the box it almost looks perfect. lol

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Posted by Gigatron on Thursday, October 8, 2009 9:05 PM

Well, at least I know I'm not going insane Propeller [8-] Dunce [D)] Laugh [(-D]

breaking it apart to shim is not an option at this point.  I've already modified too many other pieces to get it to fit thus far.  I already shaved off all of the locator pins.  Whoever R&D'd this thing, never thought to try and build it with the clear half, before sending it out for production.

-Fred

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Posted by DantheMan85 on Thursday, October 8, 2009 8:27 PM

I found a history page about the Monogram B-17 Fort.

http://www.swannysmodels.com/B17G.html

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Posted by DantheMan85 on Thursday, October 8, 2009 7:25 PM
Well that's a problem with many Monogram kit.  I had already glued mine on, so unless I want to break it, it's staying on.

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Posted by B-17 Guy on Thursday, October 8, 2009 7:02 PM
The nose cone fits for crap! I recomend a vac form replacement, that's what I'm doing. Or like hans said, you can shim the nose seams, I had to do this on my F model beacuse of the cut and paste nose section. Shimming was a pain in the @ss BUT....I also found that it helped the cockpit windows to fit much better, it looked so much better that I went back and cracked the already glued and painted upper seam of the nose on the G model and shimmed her to.
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Posted by Hans von Hammer on Thursday, October 8, 2009 6:12 PM
Aside from vac-forming a new part or shimming the fuselage, about the only solution is shave off the locating pins and move the nose around until you've split the difference with all the other areas of the frame.

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Posted by DantheMan85 on Thursday, October 8, 2009 5:10 PM
Fred, as a matter a fact I just glued on the nose glass to my Fort today, and noticed it's a bit small to fit smooth with the fuselage.

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Posted by Gigatron on Thursday, October 8, 2009 1:55 PM

Have any of you other Fort builders noticed any fit issues with the nose glass?  I attached the glass last night and I noticed it doesn't sit flush with the sides.  The fuse halves are together as they should be, but I'm still seeing about 1/8" of fuselage on either side of the glass.  Top/bottom fit is flush, but either the glass is too narrow or the fuselage is too wide.  But considering the other fit issues I've had with the clear side, I wouldn't be all that surprised.

-Fred

 

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Posted by Hans von Hammer on Thursday, October 8, 2009 11:00 AM

 FeldMarSchall Model wrote:
Sorry to hear about B-17 Hans.

I'd vote to see Shoo Shoo Shoo Baby to fly again!

Oh, it'll happen.. The recovery dio's too good an idea to let die...  I just hate the idea of spending all that money on another over-priced Tamiya Duece & 1/2... Oh, BTW.. The plane's name is "Bad Check" (it always gets returned)...

 

I might be able to salvage the 'Cat, Vetteman... It'l have to be bellied-in, the gear's shot to hell, but other than that, everything's fixable... Might save the SNJ too, but it's kinda shaky... The castor gear got hammered badly, and fixing it will entail a repaint..

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Posted by vetteman42 on Wednesday, October 7, 2009 11:23 PM

Hey thanks Hans, you went and read my mind was gonna ask if you would send me a pic of it.

Himmmm smoked kitty ??? Big Smile [:D] interesting idea there Bondoman

Randy So many to build.......So little time

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Posted by Hans von Hammer on Wednesday, October 7, 2009 10:53 PM

I AM thinkin' cat would make a decent fajita... They're higher in protine than dogs too.. (Learned that on MANswers th' other night..)

Here's the Tigercat WIP, Vetteman..

 

 

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Posted by bondoman on Wednesday, October 7, 2009 10:49 PM

Here Hans I'll lend you this...

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Posted by DantheMan85 on Wednesday, October 7, 2009 10:47 PM
Sorry to hear about B-17 Hans.

I'd vote to see Shoo Shoo Shoo Baby to fly again!

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Posted by Hans von Hammer on Wednesday, October 7, 2009 10:42 PM
I got a couple, yeah... It was still a WIP then though... I'd posted them in the Diorama forum many moons ago.. Never got around to taking pics of the completed work..

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Posted by vetteman42 on Wednesday, October 7, 2009 10:28 PM
The Ralston too ???? Wow Hans you must really like that cat. You have any pics of the Tigercat Dio Hans ??

Randy So many to build.......So little time

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Posted by Hans von Hammer on Wednesday, October 7, 2009 9:31 PM

is the cat still in one piece ?

So far...  But his "package" is is going to be a lot smaller next week...   He also took out my "Ralston Trainer" SNJ and my Tigercat dio, "Feeding the Cat"...  

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Posted by vetteman42 on Wednesday, October 7, 2009 9:13 PM
Awwwww man what a bummer, sorry to hear err read that Hans. I was following that build too, tell me is the cat still in one piece ?

Randy So many to build.......So little time

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Posted by B-17 Guy on Wednesday, October 7, 2009 8:24 PM

Hans, PM inbound.

Pilot.....Especially seeing as how she FLEW there under her own power.  

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Posted by Hans von Hammer on Wednesday, October 7, 2009 6:32 PM
My B-17 project is dead... My cat jumped up on the top shelf and sent it and the base flying... It flipped and landed on top of all the stuff on it.. I lost the Duece as well as all the support equipment that was sitting on it as well.. Actually broke the fuselage too.. And not at the joints..

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Posted by B17Pilot on Wednesday, October 7, 2009 6:06 PM

Dayton is doing the Memphis Belle at the moment, followed behind her is the only surviving B-17D "The Swoose."  I think both are being work on at the same time, but more priority is being given to the Belle.

 I am with B-17 Guy, let Shoo-Shoo-Shoo Baby fly again!  Writ-Pat as two other (very rare) Forts that will never fly again that can be used for static display. Let Shoo-Shoo-Shoo Baby Fly!

  

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Posted by DantheMan85 on Wednesday, October 7, 2009 12:11 PM

Fred, yeah very nice, I've seen that kit in the hobby shop before.  But haven't gotten it.

B-17Pilot, I to would love to see Shoo Shoo Shoo Baby fly again.  Like at the Dayton AirShow, I know the one of the 17's be restored is Memphis Bell, but can't remember what's the other ones name?

Richter111, Sign - Welcome [#welcome] feel free to hop aboard when you want to start your Fort's.

 

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Posted by richter111 on Tuesday, October 6, 2009 9:39 PM
Love this thread, I have a visible and a regular G model in the stash.  This thread is a gold mine!
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Posted by vetteman42 on Tuesday, October 6, 2009 9:37 PM
Well Fred if thats the best you can do at this point I guess I can forgive ya. Thanks for the pictures of your fine work. Thumbs Up [tup]Thumbs Up [tup] I will wait till Saturday then Whistling [:-^]

Randy So many to build.......So little time

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Posted by Gigatron on Tuesday, October 6, 2009 8:32 PM

Laugh [(-D] Laugh [(-D] Laugh [(-D]

Ok, how about a few older teaser pics, just to whet your appetites?

 

This should everyone over until this weekend.

-Fred

 

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Posted by B-17 Guy on Tuesday, October 6, 2009 8:21 PM

B-17 pilot......Dont feel bad, I'm coming up on 2 years myself for my 2 forts. I mostly have little stuff to finish, this is where I always get tripped up for some reason.

FMM, thanks for the pics. I'm kinda confused, the wartime pics show her as NMF but she sits today in OD/NG, I dont get that. I must also admit that it sort of bothers me to see pics of her in the air like so few of them do anymore, knowing that she is going to be preserved statically, never to fly again. I'd almost rather see wright-pat get on the no where near airworthy forts for staic display and send shoo shoo shoo baby some where she would fly again.

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