Attention: Modelers in the Philippines

QUOTE: Originally posted by tempus_fugit hi fellow filipino scale modelers! i'm quite new with scale modeling. hope you could enlighten me with a few troubles. what color should be my base coat for modern fighter jets? i'm currently working on academy's 1/48 f-14 tomcat. i use tamiya's spray work and i'm satisfied with the result. however, with the previous kits i built (afv), i didn't quite got the color i wanted. how should i thin tamiya acrylics? i read it should have the consistency of milk... thanks. oh, and, does Wipe and Shine really does the trick?

That's okay, man... happens to all of us who satrted in the hobby - growing pains, i guess... hehehe

Anyway, what you're asking will take a while to explain. Why don't you just pass by PMS/Manila in one of our meetings (we'll be having one in February - actually monthly) so we can help you. Let us know where you're at so we could also probably recommend a club nearer your location if our club meeting spot is too far. We're always glad to help. After all, it's all for the hobby, right?

QUOTE: Originally posted by tempus_fugit hi fellow filipino scale modelers! i'm quite new with scale modeling. hope you could enlighten me with a few troubles. what color should be my base coat for modern fighter jets? i'm currently working on academy's 1/48 f-14 tomcat. i use tamiya's spray work and i'm satisfied with the result. however, with the previous kits i built (afv), i didn't quite got the color i wanted. how should i thin tamiya acrylics? i read it should have the consistency of milk... thanks. oh, and, does Wipe and Shine really does the trick?

Join IPMS Manila! We'll sit down with you and teach you how.

hi fellow filipino scale modelers! i'm quite new with scale modeling. hope you could enlighten me with a few troubles. what color should be my base coat for modern fighter jets? i'm currently working on academy's 1/48 f-14 tomcat. i use tamiya's spray work and i'm satisfied with the result. however, with the previous kits i built (afv), i didn't quite got the color i wanted. how should i thin tamiya acrylics? i read it should have the consistency of milk... thanks. oh, and, does Wipe and Shine really does the trick?

Hi, I am Jay Tison, co-founder and member of the Board of Trustees of IPMS Philippines. Bert Anido initiated the forming of a plastic model airplane club back in June of 1968. Tiggy Barcelona organized this group in 1974 and established them in 1975 as IPMS Philippines Chapter, a Charter Chapter of IPMS UK. This chapter became a battlefield of warring factions amongst the aircraft modelers back in the late 70's and early 80's. The car modelers rolled away in disgust in 1980. The lone ship modeler also left. The armor modelers were then a care-free group unmindful of the goings-on around them and came out of their turrets to find out that there was no more IPMS organization in the Philippines. This Chapter began to break up in 1980 and finally fell apart in 1982 and met its demise in mid-1984 when there was no longer a leadership and the remaining handfull of members lost interest and went their own separate ways. In 1989, I together with Monchito Hermoso, founded and established anew the independent IPMS Philippines organization. The board of Trustees where we invited Tiggy B. and Roger Uy of the "old" IPMS Philippines in 1990. Bert Anido was invited to be a member of the Board of Trustees but declined our invitation. IPMS Philippines was sailing by 1991. Bert Anido was finally convinced to join us in 1992. When my dear friend, Bert Anido, past away last May 2003, many of the current club members renamed the club the Bert Anido Chapter. I left the group together with Tiggy Barcelona to retain the original club named IPMS Philippines to which have a total of six clubs under umbrella which EXCLUDES Bert Anido Chapter.

I tried gettiing in... couldn't. Must be the #$%*@ firewall at the office... Thanks for the info.

Nope, the website i mentioned is moderated by Homer Resurreccion- Frank has a rather similar sounding website, but the one i noted is by Homer; check it out

QUOTE: Originally posted by noel_carpio Originally posted by jepot Felix, your in Illinois? A friend of mine, the webmaster of http://www.geocities.com.afponlinemuseum.Cover.html who is an avid Philippine topic modeller lives in Skokie; try linking up with him if you are interested in Philippine modelling topics and PAF decals. IPMS Philippines has been around for quite some time- its the other IPMS (IPMS MANILA) that was recently formed. Will check out your website; thanks! FYI, the website just mentioned is the one moderated by Frank Lopez, also a member of IPMS/Manila. Reply Edit Anonymous Member since November 2005 Posted by Anonymous on Monday, January 19, 2004 7:01 PM Honestly Noel, I'll go for the Badger 175 any day. It may not be the best in the market but is "value for your money" (and the parts are sooo available)... I have used a lot of types since I got "hooked" on airbrushing (my first try was your Tamiya HF which was a very "expensive" mistake... ouch) I think the 175 Crescendo costs about 6K at Han's Infinite Tools at the Shangri-La Mall 6th level near True Value. They've got a lot of Badger parts there. I also asked a lot of the "professional" airbrushers (the ones who do cars, jeeps, t-shirts and posters) and their consensus is either one of two brands: Badger (175 specifically) and IWATA (because of the parts availability daw). Reply Edit Anonymous Member since November 2005 Posted by Anonymous on Monday, January 19, 2004 6:15 PM Jepot, I've tried to use Wipe and Shine. The effect is the same. It takes a little longer to dry, though. I did it a few months ago so I can't really tell you how long it'll last. I know Future has a shine that lasts a long time but we'll see with W&S. I tried to ask my friend for an analysis of the composition but he hasn't gotten back to me on that. He said (he's a licensed and practicing Chemical Engineer so I can trust his judgement) that the composition based on his initial analysis is about the same (consistency, base, etc.) I guess only time can tell,huh? If you're interested in talking to my friend, he'll be at the club meetings (he always is) so you can probably ask him. Reply Edit noel_carpio Member since January 2003 From: Philippines Posted by noel_carpio on Monday, January 19, 2004 4:51 PM QUOTE: [i] Yeah... I'm more of a night person, so i'm usually up until 3am. So are you, i notice. Hey Shrikes...ain't most modelers are night persons? Hehehe. Me. 12 midnight is my minimum. Can't make it as long as you do man! Noel Noel Carpio Chapter Contact IPMS Manila IPMS USA # 42543 www.geocities.com/ipms_manila Reply noel_carpio Member since January 2003 From: Philippines Posted by noel_carpio on Monday, January 19, 2004 4:39 PM Maintenance and cleaning is very easy and quick (since I use only Acrylics), te only thing I dislike about it is it is tricky to adjust the amount of paint since its a single action (or a hybrid) type. The compressor can get deafening but its primarily due to how I arrange my gear (the thing is less than 2 feet away from my right ear). Spent a little over P5,000 Php for it as well as a power supply; bought it at Lil's. You may want to consider that as a starter; then eventually move on and upgrade to their HG-types, (prices are similar to airbrushes you saw in National...Badger, whatever). At least it's compatible with the compressor. Actually, it was kind'a expensive doing that a few years ago. I discovered that buying a good airbrush online or thru a friend or relative abroad could be cheaper. Take for example the Badgers and the Aztek airbrusheds. You can get them at Ebay for almost half the price here in the Philippines. The Anthem Badger Airbrush ( a really good one) sells between 50 to 90 depending on the bidding results. But still lower than the usual 6-8 thousand pesos here. There is a compressor sold at Hans or Do-it-yourself shops at less than a 1,000. These compressor are noisy - I AGREE. But with a tank attached to it, the flow of air is more regulated that a direct compressor (one without a built-in tank). My ten cents... Noel Noel Carpio Chapter Contact IPMS Manila IPMS USA # 42543 www.geocities.com/ipms_manila Reply noel_carpio Member since January 2003 From: Philippines Posted by noel_carpio on Monday, January 19, 2004 4:27 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by jepot Felix, your in Illinois? A friend of mine, the webmaster of http://www.geocities.com.afponlinemuseum.Cover.html who is an avid Philippine topic modeller lives in Skokie; try linking up with him if you are interested in Philippine modelling topics and PAF decals. IPMS Philippines has been around for quite some time- its the other IPMS (IPMS MANILA) that was recently formed. Will check out your website; thanks! IPMS Philippines have been in existence since 1968. Jay Tison, Bert Anido, Tiggy Barcelona and some others were responsible (collectively) for forming the club. It was in 1989 that IPMS Philippines became a registered and independent organization in the Philippines. When Bert Anido past away, many of the members agreed to change the name to IPMS Philippines Bert Anido Chapter. However, Jay Tison, Tiggy Barcelona and some other former members separated from the group retaining the name IPMS Philippines (Inc.). As a result, IPMS Philippines spearheaded by Jay Tison, Tiggy Barcelona, Roger Uy and other individuals have welcomed the formation of several chapters in the Philippines which includes IPMS Manila, IPMS The Fort, IPMS Alabang and so on. If you wish to get further clarification on this, you may contact Jay Tison ,IPMS Philippines at jayt427sc@yahoo.com. Noel Carpio Chapter Contact IPMS Manila IPMS USA # 42543 www.geocities.com/ipms_manila Reply Anonymous Member since November 2005 Posted by Anonymous on Monday, January 12, 2004 2:43 PM Well, I go out late at night to serve and please foreigners 'till dawn's early light...it helps support my modelling addiction. Yup, the milky-white Wipe And Shine dries clear. Try dipping a piece of clear sprue...allow a few hours for it to dry a bit. About that Tamiya Olive Drab - is that XF-62? It seems that your model has a stronger green tone than the color produced by that same paint...care to explain more, please? Thanks! Reply Edit shrikes Member since November 2003 From: Manila, Philippines Posted by shrikes on Monday, January 12, 2004 10:45 AM Okay, i just got my self a bottle of the milky-white wipe and shine... You say it dries clear, huh? I'm going to try them out on a junked model... but only when i get my airbrush, which might be quite a while. Yeah... I'm more of a night person, so i'm usually up until 3am. So are you, i notice. As for my B-17, the Academy 1/72 Memphis Belle B-17F that you have.The colors i used were Tamiya Olive Drab and Light Grey. I applied all of it by brush, so the "seams" aren't that straight. I found a 1/72 Academy B-17G at harrison plaza and i can't wait to get to it! Blackadder: This plan's as cunning as a fox that used to be Professor of cunning at Oxford University but has now moved on and is working with the U.N at the high commission of cunning planning Reply Anonymous Member since November 2005 Posted by Anonymous on Monday, January 12, 2004 10:27 AM Use the clear version. It dries...clearly. Ammonia..? Hmm...from what I remember way back, pure ammonia fogs clear plastic. Guess my best bet is to go for thw Window Cleaner. Thanks for the help, gents! Reply Edit jepot Member since December 2003 Posted by jepot on Monday, January 12, 2004 7:50 AM So does Wipe and Shine really do the trick like Future? And the reddish or whitish hue disappears when used? Plase advise for im conserving the future fw i still have and am looking for an alternative; thanks! Reply markuz226 Member since January 2003 From: Everett Posted by markuz226 on Monday, January 12, 2004 3:22 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by BlackThor 06 Sorry for the late reply - had a long weekend. I bought a bottle of "Wipe and Shine" ( I think) as recommeded by other modelers as an alternative to Future . I dipped a canopy of a junked X-29...anybody know how can I remove it? BT6 Ammonia can be used to remove Future (available in the form of window/glass cleaners available at grocery stores). Maybe you can try it with that product too. =) Reply Anonymous Member since November 2005 Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, January 11, 2004 3:49 PM Yeah, got Wipe And Shine...bought a bottle in SM Bicutan; goes for around P50+. Dipping the canopy into the solution had exemplary results; now I just want to know how to strip the wax off - just for experimentation purposes. As I intend to use this as a protective coat prior and after decaling (can't want to use this on model cars, too), I would think that the best way to apply it is via airbrush. Now I'm curious on what to use to clean the airbrush after spraying. Wipe And Shine comes in two colors: - "Natural" - clear (though looks milky white when you peer into the opened bottle; - "Red" - Translucent. Hmmm...you don't sleep, do you? BTW, regarding that B-17 of yours: What paints (and colors) did you use for the upper and lower surfaces? I have Academy's B-17F 'Memphis Belle' as well as a P-47 and I intend to use that paint scheme. Reply Edit shrikes Member since November 2003 From: Manila, Philippines Posted by shrikes on Sunday, January 11, 2004 12:39 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by BlackThor 06 I bought a bottle of "Wipe and Shine" ( I think) as recommeded by other modelers as an alternative to Future . I dipped a canopy of a junked X-29...anybody know how can I remove it? You got the wipe and shine?!? is it clear like future or slightly reddish, like most floorwax here? What do you mean by "remove it"? it didn't work and you want to strip it off? Blackadder: This plan's as cunning as a fox that used to be Professor of cunning at Oxford University but has now moved on and is working with the U.N at the high commission of cunning planning Reply Anonymous Member since November 2005 Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, January 11, 2004 11:32 AM Sorry for the late reply - had a long weekend. Unfortuantely I don't have a cam, so I can't post a pic of my M1s. I'm not just focusing on armor, I also biuld jets and helos as well. Incidentally, my next project is Academy's A-10 and I intend to paint this in Lizard camo using the SprayWork - based on my experice, I beleive it can be handled. I bought a bottle of "Wipe and Shine" ( I think) as recommeded by other modelers as an alternative to Future . I dipped a canopy of a junked X-29...anybody know how can I remove it? I think the Tamiya factory is in Cebu and Academy's Factory is in Cavite. BT6 Reply Edit jepot Member since December 2003 Posted by jepot on Saturday, January 10, 2004 5:15 AM Felix, your in Illinois? A friend of mine, the webmaster of http://www.geocities.com.afponlinemuseum.Cover.html who is an avid Philippine topic modeller lives in Skokie; try linking up with him if you are interested in Philippine modelling topics and PAF decals. IPMS Philippines has been around for quite some time- its the other IPMS (IPMS MANILA) that was recently formed. Will check out your website; thanks! Reply Anonymous Member since November 2005 Posted by Anonymous on Friday, January 9, 2004 4:23 PM Congratulations to your newly formed IPMS Philippines. I was an inactive member of the IPMS USA and I submitted entries for the National Convention in Chicago about 2 years ago. I have been an active member of the Military Miniature Society of Illinois for 12 years. I also invite you to take a look at our web page at http://members.aol.com/MMSI2K/newmmsipages/mmsimain.htm You can see my winning entry in the year 2001 under the ordinance division. Most of our work are on figures rather than aircrafts, ships and tank. More power to all of you. Reply Edit markuz226 Member since January 2003 From: Everett Posted by markuz226 on Friday, January 9, 2004 2:11 PM My mistake about the Tamiya factory info. I dunno what made me think it was in Laguna.. hehehehe. I didn't know about the IPMS!! I should have joined that when I was still there! Maaannn.. Reply jepot Member since December 2003 Posted by jepot on Thursday, January 8, 2004 6:26 AM Markus, Future can be OCCASIONALLY found at Cash and Carry and at Pure Gold in Clark, but I was there a few weeks ago and out of stock sa Clark. There has been an IPMS Philippines since the late 60's too; try checking out the website: http://ipms-phils.50megs.com There is a group meeting held every 2nd sunday of the month (this coming sunday) at UP Diliman Fine Arts building. Go check out the website for more details. The Tamiya factory is in Cebu ( lots of reason why it was set up there, but a pressing reason was the geology, yes, the geology-to support the weight of the molds and presses). Academy used to have a factory in EPZA Cavite but alam ko it downgraded a few tears ago. Good luck on your search for future! Reply noel_carpio Member since January 2003 From: Philippines Posted by noel_carpio on Thursday, January 8, 2004 3:29 AM We all meet at my residence for the mean time somewhere at Diliman, Quezon City. You should check our site for more information. www.geocities.com/noeluthy/IPMS_Manila.html Noel Carpio Chapter Contact IPMS Manila IPMS USA # 42543 www.geocities.com/ipms_manila Reply markuz226 Member since January 2003 From: Everett Posted by markuz226 on Thursday, January 8, 2004 2:05 AM I didn't know there was an IPMS in Manila! When did you start? Where do you meet (I used to live in Queszon City)? Reply noel_carpio Member since January 2003 From: Philippines Posted by noel_carpio on Thursday, January 8, 2004 12:22 AM I have five bottles of Future. However, we use it for group build ups during our club meetings. Just come over and you can join us. We meet only once a month in Quezon City. Noel Noel Carpio Chapter Contact IPMS Manila IPMS USA # 42543 www.geocities.com/ipms_manila Reply markuz226 Member since January 2003 From: Everett Posted by markuz226 on Wednesday, January 7, 2004 11:13 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by shrikes markuz226: They sell it at Lil's??? Why didn't i think of asking! No one sells Tamiya enamel in the 'states? That's odd, you'd think that would be the first place to sell them... then again, Tamiya IS based in Japan, so it may be one of those odd cases where the Philippines sees more merchendise than the US.... Yep. At Lil's. Again, I'm not sure if they still do because I just saw ONE bottle in their glass case over 2 years ago. Yeah, it's very odd. They only have the Tamiya Acrylics here (and the lacquer spraycans). Well if they do sell the Enamel paints, I haven't heard of anyone that uses them or of any shop that sell them. Just a trivia. Do you know that there is a Tamiya factory somewhere in Laguna? Next time you buy a Tamiya kit, check where it is made. =) Reply Anonymous Member since November 2005 Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, January 7, 2004 7:54 PM Not all the Tamiya airbrushes can connect to the sprayworks set, check the description for the brushes on Hobby Link Japan. Tamiya Airbrushes are bassically repackaged Olympus(Iwata) Airbrushes, except for the plastic one. Tamiya Enamles, IMHO, aren't worth the money. Bottles are small and a pain to handle too. I only get the few colours that are not available in their acrylic range. I think the reason for no enamels being available in the states is due imports limitations and extra paperwork needed as they are classed flammable & hazardous, atleast if I remember a talk correctly I had with people over here. Reply Edit 12 JOIN OUR COMMUNITY! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. Login Register SEARCH FORUMS FREE NEWSLETTER SIGN UP By signing up you may also receive reader surveys and occasional special offers. We do not sell, rent or trade our email lists. View our Privacy Policy. 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