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Revell/Monogram 1/48 scale P-40 "Hawk" (Flying Tigers)

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Posted by Toshi on Saturday, April 18, 2015 5:36 PM

To MBrindos,

I would have never guess that an artist pen would do the trick.  Since I still have the time, I'll go ahead and try that myself.  Yes, I'll definitely ask you on how you did something.  Thank you.

Toshi

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Posted by Toshi on Saturday, April 18, 2015 8:27 PM

To my fellow forum members,

After a month now I have taken this build to the juncture of one of the most essential aspects of the build of a scale model, prime.  At least in my humble opinion.  I feel this way as no matter how hard and or how little you've worked on your model, in the primer stage, all defects will show itself true.  

Besides my flaws in this build as you can plainly see, for one reason and one reason only, I left a factory mark unabidet on the bottom of the fuselage.  That would be the factory stamp that reads; "Revell Inc. 1964 China".  How ironic is this!  This kit was made in China.  Some 70 plus years ago, this very aircraft the P-40 had turned the tide for General Chian Kai Shek.  How funny is that.  

With this fact having been procured, here is my P-40, in the primer stage.  I want to thank all forum members for the read and reply as well as their support as it has been a great way for me to gain knowledge and insight as well of having some fantastic entertainment and getting to know you all on a personal level.  Thank you!

Toshi

On The Bench: Revell 1/48 B-25 Mitchell

 

Married to the most caring, loving, understanding, and beautiful wife in the world.  Mrs. Toshi

 

 

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Posted by M. Brindos on Saturday, April 18, 2015 8:50 PM

You left the stamp on it, Awesome! No one ever does that on purpose. I'll have to check my build and see if I left mine there still or if I already removed it. I'll keep mine of it's still there just for the memories lol. I like that idea.  :)

- Mike Brindos "Lost Boy"

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Posted by Toshi on Saturday, April 18, 2015 9:38 PM

To MBrindos,

Yes, I think it's hilarious.  

Toshi

On The Bench: Revell 1/48 B-25 Mitchell

 

Married to the most caring, loving, understanding, and beautiful wife in the world.  Mrs. Toshi

 

 

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Posted by M. Brindos on Saturday, April 18, 2015 9:40 PM

When I built this as a kid I left that mark on there. Its more of a nostalgic thing to me I suppose lol.

- Mike Brindos "Lost Boy"

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Posted by Toshi on Saturday, April 18, 2015 10:13 PM

To MBrindos,

When I get ready to spray on the Camouflage, is this the correct steps?

1) Make a stencil type guide in regards to the camouflage designation?

2) Do I spray on the brown (The lighter color of the two of which is green) first?

3) Then add the green of which is the darker color?  

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

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Posted by jetmaker on Saturday, April 18, 2015 10:17 PM

Toshi, in your pics I can actually see the love you're putting into this build. It's pretty amazing. Leaving the "Made in China" mark on a Flying Tigers P-40 is about as cool as it gets in my book. And the skin on that Hawk looks pretty good to me

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Posted by M. Brindos on Sunday, April 19, 2015 1:49 AM

Okay, I'm still new to the world of air brushing, but this is what I've learned so far.

You want to spray your lightest color first, which in this case would be the light sky blue on the bottom of the plane. You'll want to then use a "soft mask" by using something like silly putty rolled into strips. That should keep you from getting a solid line.

Browns are darker on the color chart compared with greens, but I'd go for an olive drab overall on the top of the plane. Most of these planes were issued in a dark olive drab from the factories and it's doubtful the AVG mechanics would care to repaint a different tone of green over the plane when supplies were very hard to get. It's more likely they would trade supplies with the British squadrons in the area.

Which then leads up to your next and final color, the brown. I'm not sure what the official paint code for the color should be, but I would assume it would vary due to local trading partners. Which is why some seemed tan, and others a more medium tone of brown. So honestly I think you can wing it with the brown.

I would suggest free hand spraying of the brown pattern, but your AB isn't adjustable. You'll need to try another soft mask and that should lend you more accuracy in replicating the pattern the way you want it, with more control.

Don't worry about pre shading as it will most likely get lost under the layers of paint and show up only in the bottom color. Which could cause you a bit of grief trying to match up the post shading after the top color is on.

Once you're happy with that and all the paint is dry and unmasked give it a good turn in your hands and admire your handiwork. Let it cure a bit and patch up any last minute problems or minor scratches or overspray leaks from your masks.

Next you'll want to clear cote it with a nice gloss and get your decals in place. Make sure your stars are pointing up lol. After the decals are cured spray another clear over them to seal them in.

Now this is where you can do a couple of different things. Dot filters, panel washes, dirt washes, pigments, and oil washes. This is the part where you pull the little kid inside you out of the dry storage and let him play with finger paints, metaphorically speaking. You're basically painting over your painting as if it were another layer in Photoshop. If you mess something up, you can erase it, start over and get it the way you want it without destroying the work you've already done.

When the kid inside is beaming with pride you seal it all up with a dull cote or two. Unmask your canopy and finish off any last minute details such as antenna wires and such.

That sounds like a lot of work, but once you get into doing things regularly you'll start trying different ways and effects and such. It's quite enjoyable to experiment lol.

Sorry for the horribly long post and my lunatic ramblings and bad puns. I hope some of this is helpful and that I'm not just reiterating the rhetoric you're already familiar with lol.

Jetmaker, I fully agree with you. You can tell he's enjoying it very much and that he's doing a very fine job of this kit. I really like the attitude and enthusiasm  :D  I am enjoying this thread lol.

Edit; I almost forgot to mention something!

If you get the olive drab on and later decide it's not, say, green enough then you can brush on a filter to change the hue of the color. Same goes for the brown if you think it needs more yellow tones or a more faded tone to it. For a more faded tone I'd go with a light tan filter and let it change the hues to a lighter more slightly faded look. I may try that myself.

Incase you're not familiar with making filters I will give a short description, but if you are familiar with them then kindly disregard this next bit.  :)

A filter is going to be a very diluted paint. You want it thinner than a wash would be and something close to a light tea in consistancy. Simply brush it over your color, but don't let it pool in the cracks like you do with a wash. you just want to lay this thin filter over the surface to change the tone of the color under it. Depending on the color of your filter it may take several layers to get the effect you want, but a little inconsistency in how thick the layers are can really work to your advantage in realism.

And you can use a filter on anything, including figures. Say you want the pilots vest to be just a litle more orange. Make a filter and change the tone. Done.

Once again, I hope that is not something you've already learned and I'm just wasting your time having to read all of this. :/

I hope to see your next pictures soon.  :)  Best of luck, and have fun with it!

- Mike Brindos "Lost Boy"

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Posted by Toshi on Sunday, April 19, 2015 5:20 AM

To MBrindos,

Thank you for the airbrush input.  I will work diligently on the airbrush technique.

Toshi

On The Bench: Revell 1/48 B-25 Mitchell

 

Married to the most caring, loving, understanding, and beautiful wife in the world.  Mrs. Toshi

 

 

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Posted by Toshi on Sunday, April 19, 2015 5:27 AM

To GMorrison,

Due you have any pointers and or information in regards on how to airbrush a camoflauge graphic onto this particular P-40 build?  Thank you in advance!

Toshi

On The Bench: Revell 1/48 B-25 Mitchell

 

Married to the most caring, loving, understanding, and beautiful wife in the world.  Mrs. Toshi

 

 

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Posted by Toshi on Sunday, April 19, 2015 8:05 AM

To GMorrison,

No need to reply back in regards to the airbrush technique request in regards to the camouflage design on the P-40.  Mrs. Toshi reminded me of another reply you left for me on the "Black Widow" thread.  Here it is;

You will like the P-40 kit much better. As far as camouflage, just be aware that the seemingly random pattern is actually a pattern. Look at as many photos as you can find to get the hang of it.

When you do paint it, go light first, then dark over. A trick I like- blow up the drawing in the instruction to scale. Lay down blue tape on your cutting surface and tape the plan down over it. Cut out the area you want a mask for (the brown) and put it on the airplane. don't burnish down the edges- leave them slightly up. Then paint; lots of light coats.

Of course you should practice first on some srap.

Good luck, you have the right attitude.

EDIT: one other trick. Figure out where the major decals go, in particular anything with white or yellow. After you've primed her, which in this case might just be a few coats over all of the neutral gray; cut decal sized shapes out of blue tape and put those on where the decals go. The thing is to make them just a little bit smaller than the decal, you don't have to be precise. Leave those masks on through the whole process of brown and green. When you do the decals peel them off, then do the gloss coat, then decal. It helps a lot to make them nice and snappy colored.

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Posted by Toshi on Sunday, April 19, 2015 12:40 PM

To my fellow forum members,

When I purchased the P-61 Black Widow, I had visions of airbrushing the Black Widow in gloss black.  Unfortunately, the Testors airbrush kit with the Co2 can failed.  No matter what I did, it just would not spray.  The airbrush kit was returned back to Michaels.  On that same day at Michaels, I immediately picked up a R/M 1/48th scale P-40 Warhawk and a Testors camoflouge kit.  As you can see, the P-40 is slowly but surely taking shape.  Today was the debut of the Testors camoflouge kit.  I got the Co2 to finally spray, the paint did spray for 10 seconds and stopped.  Here I was, with my P-40 having a portion of the right wing with a spattering of tan.  What now.

So, I did the next best thing, I went old school.  I busted out a brand new brush and proceeded to hand paint the P-40.  With no other choice, I will now attempt to hand paint the olive drab and finish the camouflage graphics on the soon to be "Flying Tiger".  

From today on, purchasing airbrush kits from Testors for under $30.00 will now cease.  I would rather wait and save my money on a real airbrush and compressor.  I can hear Mrs. Toshi say; "You pay for what you get", and "I told you so".  Oh well, I was warned, I also admit that after 20 years of marriage I am wrong and Mrs. Toshi is right.  LOL!

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Posted by M. Brindos on Sunday, April 19, 2015 12:52 PM

You ended up brushing it by hand? Well very well done indeed Toshi. I can't see any brush strokes at all.

Okay, so it looks like you've had to change strategies. Now at this point its not entirely necessary, but you can still get a feathered edge between the tan and green by dry brushing the edges after you paint the OD on there.

All of the other techniques and effects will still apply as they would have anyways. So you're not losing anything by not being able to spray on your pattern.

Although at this point I would pick up a can of OD Krylon or Rustoleum and try the soft mask just to eliminate the dry brushing which will take more time and effort to achieve correctly.

What ever you decide to do I'm behind you all the way. Don't forget to mask up your other canopy parts. :) Remember, interior color first, then the outer colors over that. I'm pretty sure this is going to look amazing.  :)

- Mike Brindos "Lost Boy"

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Posted by GMorrison on Sunday, April 19, 2015 12:55 PM

My I'm impressed painting that by hand. Hey all is not lost though and you will be happier with a soft edge. Buy a can of Testors Olive Drab spray paint. That'll do it. Just remember to start the flow off of the model and then pass over it

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Posted by M. Brindos on Sunday, April 19, 2015 12:59 PM

Oh! Bingo! How easily I forget about such things. I don't have any hobby shops within 50 miles of me so I default to what I can buy at Fred Meyers , Wal Mart, or Michael's.

Good call G.

- Mike Brindos "Lost Boy"

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Posted by Toshi on Sunday, April 19, 2015 3:16 PM

To my fellow forum members,

I never give up!  I immediately went straight to Michaels, Mrs. Toshi drove me as I can drive for short distances due to my TBI (Traumatic Brain Injury) but Michaels is just a tad too long for me.  Once at Michaels I requested to see a manager.  A very young man named, what else?  Michael the manager came up to see me, he was very professional and cordial.  His customer service was impeccable.  What was a plus was that he too was a fellow scale modeler.  He and I went through my failed scenario in regards to the Testors airbrush system.  He mentioned that they (Testors) were having issues with their nozzles.  He gave me a new camoflouge kit and off I went.  

Ladies and gentleman, I succeeded, since the tan had been painted with little error and difficulty, I airbrushed the green/olive drab (I did my own custom paint mix) camoflouge graphics on.  It is now been sealed with a clear coat.  Once this dries, I will take photos and post them here shortly.  Thank you to everyone for your read and reply as well as the wonderful support system.  I am stoked that I finally got to airbrush for the first time in my life, I am no longer a airbrush virgin!  LOL!

Toshi

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Posted by Toshi on Sunday, April 19, 2015 3:52 PM

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Posted by Toshi on Sunday, April 19, 2015 3:56 PM

Issues with my airbrush technique?  Well, I have none.  LOL!  The feathering of the camoflouge is non-existent.  I shall practice that.  The placement of the camoflouge is inaccurate.  I need to pay attention to detail.  Overall, I can finally say that I airbrushed for the first time in my life.

Toshi

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Posted by RobGroot4 on Sunday, April 19, 2015 5:22 PM

Do you like the way it looks?  That's really all that matters.  There are tons of ways to paint a model, try out different ones until you find one you like.  I think your camouflage looks pretty good.

Groot

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Posted by Toshi on Sunday, April 19, 2015 5:49 PM

For this being my first time, yes, I'm happy with the way it looks.  I'll just keep moving forward, and I can find/see a happy medium.  Thank you for the read and reply.

Toshi

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Posted by M. Brindos on Sunday, April 19, 2015 10:34 PM

Not bad at all Toshi. You can still fix your pattern easily enough and it doesn't have to be 100% spot on. I like what you've done. I will suggest a possible dot filter to vary the tones, but that could happen before or after decals.

Good job for your first time.  :)

- Mike Brindos "Lost Boy"

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Posted by jetmaker on Sunday, April 19, 2015 10:43 PM

I know I'm not a kung fu master yet - In fact, I haven't even entered the temple yet, I'm still sweeping the leaves off the steps at the gate - but I think it looks great, Toshi! It's smooth and even, and from what I understand, and from a little experimentation I did before I had to take a hiatus, if you just get good coverage and a smooth, even finish on your first time, then you're batting a thousand. Looks to me like you nailed it!

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Posted by Toshi on Monday, April 20, 2015 5:18 AM

Thank you!  I am very excited to finally feel what airbrushing is all about.  I noticed one of the main technique is the feel of it.  I'll keep practicing.  

Toshi

On The Bench: Revell 1/48 B-25 Mitchell

 

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Posted by Toshi on Monday, April 20, 2015 5:20 AM

I love the allegory, very cool!  Yes, I was very excited just to get my airbrush working.  Now I will practice on it's use.  I'm definitely having fun.

Toshi

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Posted by wing_nut on Monday, April 20, 2015 7:50 AM

Do you like the way it looks?  That's really all that matters.

Yeah, that!  Nice that you see things you want to improve but make sure they are for you not us.  As one of the "us" I think it looks pretty darn good.


Marc  

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Posted by M. Brindos on Monday, April 20, 2015 12:06 PM

Agreed. If you keep going down this path you are on you will be enjoying it very much and only improving in great strides. I've seen it happen so many times already. Just keep modelling and you'll be doing things "like the pros" as you never even imagined.  :D

You've got the right mental attitude and it shows through your posts. You, and people like you Toshi, are one of the biggest reasons I love this hobby.  :D:D:D:D

- Mike Brindos "Lost Boy"

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Posted by mustang1989 on Monday, April 20, 2015 12:13 PM

It's lookin' totally great Toshi! You're doing a hekuva lot better than I did the first time I used an airbrush. I think I painted my hand camouflage!! Surprise

  (Oh yeah don't tell anybody but that aint been all that long ago! :shutup:)

                   

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Posted by Toshi on Monday, April 20, 2015 2:27 PM

To Wing_nut,

Yes, I like the way it looks for a first timer airbrush novice.  I am and will continue to practice so that I can be at the very least able to airbrush with competence.  Wing_nut, thank you so much for your support, also I really appreciate the read and reply!

Toshi

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Posted by Toshi on Monday, April 20, 2015 2:30 PM

To MBrindos,

You honor me with such kind and generous words, I can only move forward in my endeavors to become as competent in airbrushing and assembling a scale model as many of you forum members do.

Thank you for everything,

Toshi

On The Bench: Revell 1/48 B-25 Mitchell

 

Married to the most caring, loving, understanding, and beautiful wife in the world.  Mrs. Toshi

 

 

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Posted by Toshi on Monday, April 20, 2015 2:32 PM

To Mustang 1989,

Thank you for your support and kind words, I too did ended up spraying my hand an Olive Drab.  LOL!  I will keep that a secret between you and I.  LOL!

Toshi

On The Bench: Revell 1/48 B-25 Mitchell

 

Married to the most caring, loving, understanding, and beautiful wife in the world.  Mrs. Toshi

 

 

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