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A7-E Corsair,,,How would you make aircraft skid marks on a tarmac for a diorama

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A7-E Corsair,,,How would you make aircraft skid marks on a tarmac for a diorama
Posted by Stuart06 on Friday, September 23, 2022 10:19 AM

I have completed my A7-E Corsair and would like to put on a base that represents a carrier deck.  

I figure to use 1000 grit sandpaper as the tarmac base.  However I want to add aircraft skid marks for more realism.

Does anyone have a technique that might achieve that.

My dog gave me an idea of what she does on the carpet...but somehow I don't thing it will work.

 

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Posted by armornut on Friday, September 23, 2022 10:38 AM

  Nice build. Carrier decks are covered in non skid, it is an asphalt based paint the " grits" up when it dries.

    Your " skid marks" won't be long as the aircraft is stopped by the arresting hook and not wheel brakes on carrier landing, those skid marks really should be " scuffs" in the landing area...OK 3 WIRE... and can be simulated by paint.

  The tires start to roll almost immediately so those patches should not be more than a few scale feet long, approx 3 tire diammeters travel.

   Hope this helps or at least gives a direction to move in. Again really nice looking Corsair.

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Posted by stikpusher on Friday, September 23, 2022 10:40 AM

For the skid marks I would suggest using Pastel chalks, or some similar medium, applied with a sponge make up applicator. You can precisely control the size and amount of skid mark.

 

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Posted by HooYah Deep Sea on Friday, September 23, 2022 12:04 PM

Since you said both carrier deck and tarmac, two entirely different surfaces, I give you this for comparison; Runway 29, NAS North Island.

Use the tire tracks adjacent to the runway for scale / dimensioning.

 

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Posted by CapnMac82 on Friday, September 23, 2022 1:00 PM

Yep, USN "Flight Deck Material" is a bit ephemeral for modelers.

Fresh laid, it's a dark, bluish, charcoal sort of color what is fine and smooth--juet like fresh-laid asphalt paving fr surface texture.

As it ages, it develops grays and browns, and gets "pebbly"--and would be a texture that wuld be hard to see at all smaller than 1/24 scale, really.  In 1/32 or 1/48, it would better render as a paint splatter sort of technique.

Other than the flight deck equipment, there's not much that will leave skid marks on the decks, as the wheels are rolling, not skidding, anywhere but the touchdown point.  Which is rosses with arresting wires, and not a very typical tie-down point, per se

Now, a Naval Air Station will have an apron, and while called tarmac is most likely concrete.  It might have skidmarks from forklifts and ordnance trailers and the like.

NAS prking aprons don't have a lot of markings painted on them, which mkes them a tad "boring" for modeling.

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Posted by Stuart06 on Friday, September 23, 2022 3:32 PM

Thanks Guys,

I have looked around a bit more for pictures off the internet and see what you guys mean just a few skid marks on a carrier deck (which is what I mean from the beginning.

I have vinyal display sheet from a company that makes them for dioramas, but some  parts have wringles.  Also (although in 1/72 scale) it is a bit large and would take up to much shelf real-estate. 

I was hoping to photo copy the sheet, and use 1000 grit sandpaper cut down to the size I want.   Here is a copy of what I have..

[url=https://imgur.com/gf3s98Z]

 

 

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Posted by Stuart06 on Friday, September 23, 2022 3:34 PM

Quick update,

I just made a photocopy (on high detail level - using HP Officejet 3830 printer) and I don't see the wringle marks....

I may try and find some vinyal paper or some paper with a sticky backing that can feed through the printer.   I can then cut down to size ....

It may look pretty good after all.

 

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Posted by stikpusher on Friday, September 23, 2022 3:55 PM

Since your A-7 is from USS Ranger, here are a couple photos of the recovery area of the flight deck of USS Ranger for reference.

 

 

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Posted by Stuart06 on Friday, September 23, 2022 3:58 PM

Thanks Stick

I see by the photos that there are small amounts of skid marks along the deck.  But I am not so concerned as I was before.  

Just out of curiosty,,,do you have any pics of the water as if I was standing on the deck looking to the distance.  I want to use that as a backdrop...I have found some on the internet, but not sure if the angle is going to match with the static aircraft from the gound position.

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Posted by Stuart06 on Friday, September 23, 2022 4:13 PM

Here is the idea that I am toying with...Picture needs to be edited and sized better but you will see where I am going with this.Smile

[url=https://imgur.com/U7HD6i5]

 

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Posted by HooYah Deep Sea on Friday, September 23, 2022 7:52 PM

Here's a shot of the landing 'zone' that shows (barely) some skid marks. As you can see, between the tire rubber and the deck color, not much shows, unless they hit a paint stripe.

you can click on the picture to enlarge.

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Posted by missileman2000 on Saturday, September 24, 2022 7:56 AM

Stuart06

Here is the idea that I am toying with...Picture needs to be edited and sized better but you will see where I am going with this.Smile

[url=https://imgur.com/U7HD6i5]

 

 

 

Loks good.  Is that a physical photo background, or graphics program work?

 

BTW, I use a drybrush technique for skid marks.

 

 

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Posted by armornut on Saturday, September 24, 2022 8:11 AM

   Other than playing with the lighting of the area behind your plane, that is pretty much what it looks like from "Vultures Row" . It is difficult to judge distance at sea as the sea state gives a false perspective....and carriers are really big....until ya fly off of one...then it gets small quick....sorry. Any way ya got the right ship USS RANGER and a great start to an interesting dio. BTW not sure if I remember CV-71...Carl Vinson maybe?

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Posted by HooYah Deep Sea on Saturday, September 24, 2022 11:52 AM

CVN-71, USS Theodore Roosevelt

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Posted by armornut on Saturday, September 24, 2022 12:34 PM

 Thanks HooYa.

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Posted by Stuart06 on Saturday, September 24, 2022 3:37 PM

Thanks everyone...when I finish a model I try in place in in an environment to add the visual aspect to the model...rather than sitting on a plane base with a white background.  When I show this at clubs or contest, it will just have the base.

Missileman - the picture is off the internet as it was.  I searched for aircraft carrier's vietnam war and bingo....  I didn't really think about the scale of the Aircraft carrier from the picture,,,but I also have one with just the ocean.

Not sure how to edit the picture for lighting.  All I have is MS Paint that comes with Win 10.  (don't really want to invest and learn how to use specialty software).  The picture itself seems a but hazy, and not sure I can sharpen the image with limited tools.

 

 

 

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Posted by HooYah Deep Sea on Saturday, September 24, 2022 6:17 PM

You may not want to make it any clearer; it's in the distance, cruising on a parallel course. It's there for scenery, not to take away anything from the model.

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