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Revell 1/48 Scale F-105D Thunderchief

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Posted by Eaglecash867 on Sunday, February 18, 2024 5:06 AM

Wow!  That looks incredibly good, BurritoKing!  I really like those top and bottom shots.

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Posted by keavdog on Sunday, February 18, 2024 11:13 AM

Great job.  Love the 105.  And really hice photos.

Thanks,

John

fox
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Posted by fox on Sunday, February 18, 2024 12:42 PM

Just went through the entire post. Very nice work and I like the way you showed the details of your learning curve. Was very well thought out and expressed. Finished bird is very well done!

Stay safe.

Jim Captain

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Posted by burrito king on Sunday, February 18, 2024 7:29 PM

Hi everyone, thanks for the compliments and encouragement.  I have received so many great tips and advice from this forum, and your encouragement means a lot since we share many of the same challenges and difficulties.

One more thing I'd like to share from the learning curve is applying the flat clear coat.  I initially used a 1:3 mix of Tamiya X-21 with Quick Shine, sprayed with my Patriot 105.  But it came out semi-gloss and also very grainy.  I guess my spraying distance was too far.  So I did some light sanding with 1000 grit, trying to get it smooth without removing the weathering.  It was scary but I managed to do it.  Then I applied 1:1 mix by brush.  This dried smooth, but it had a white frost appearance.  So I did some light sanding and some wiping with wet paper towels.  Next time I will use 1:2 and practice with the airbrush before applying it to the model.  I think it has to go on fairly thick so it self-levels.

I tried to take more outdoor photos to show some details.  But the sun just isn't to usual Socal brightness this weekend.  So I took the following photos with indoor lighting to show rusty dirty bombs, oil stains and scratched paint on the fuselage, burnt metal exhaust nozzles, etc.

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GAF
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Posted by GAF on Monday, February 19, 2024 12:32 AM

BK,

That looks great!  Nice weathering.

Gary

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Posted by burrito king on Tuesday, February 20, 2024 10:24 PM

Hi Gary, thanks! Weathering is the part I enjoy most. I study photos and use that as my main inspiration. But I also look at real life objects and get ideas from those. For example trucks, trains, outdoor heavy machinery, amusement park rides etc. Recently I looked at a YF-12 outside the Air and Space museum in LA. It is moderately weathered and stained. I even got ideas for the inside of the exhaust nozzles from a F-16 photo. It has light colored ash with dark sooty lines. Probably not historically accurate for a Thud, but I think it looks cool. I think weathering is where a modeler can express their artistic individualism and creativity.

Next up is a Hobby Boss P-47 1/48. I ordered it from Ali Express for $9.50 plus $12.99 shipping. Due to arrive in a couple weeks. Should be a basic build, gonna do NMF aclad aluminum. The trick here will be the markings. Gonna do Major Eagleston's mount when he was with the 353rd FS in France 1944. I will try to make my own decals with the winged skull and crossbones, and the eagle. If that fails, I can buy a set of decals for $25.99 from Furball. The set includes Eagleston's and around 9 more P-47's.

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Posted by Eaglecash867 on Wednesday, February 21, 2024 7:27 AM

burrito king
I even got ideas for the inside of the exhaust nozzles from a F-16 photo. It has light colored ash with dark sooty lines.

Just so you know, that light coloration on the inside of the exhaust nozzle on an F-16 is actually a white ceramic coating that is applied to the inside surfaces of the exhaust.  That coating then becomes streaked and stained by the hot gases.  Heh...just learned that in the last few years myself, and found out the J58s on the YF-12s and SR-71s also had a white ceramic coating.  Currently working on the engine nacelles of the 1/48 Revell SR-71A, so that came up in my research.  Not sure if the Thud was the same way, but that doesn't matter, I'd say the look you achieved on the exhaust looks right.  The exhaust nozzles of the J79s on the F-4B I recently finished had an almost light chromate green color they were coated with, so I guess it all depends on the engine and what their solution was for dealing with the heat.

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Posted by burrito king on Thursday, February 22, 2024 10:49 PM

Hi Eaglecash867, thanks for the info on the inside coloration inside the exhaust nozzles.  From what I can see in photos, the ceramic coated nozzles are most common on recent post cold war aircarft.  All the F-105 photos show bare metal inside with uniform dark sooty coating, so my Thud nozzle definitely isn't historically accurate.  But I still like the way it looks :)  I did it with Folk Art craft acrylic white mixed with a couple drops of acrylic metallic brown airbrushed in thin layers.  Followed by heavily thinned Tamiya dark gray acrylic airbrushed in thin lines.

A few weeks ago I visited the California Science Center in LA.  There is an A12 east of the museum, I took a quick photo just to get ideas for weathering.  Unfortunately there are covers over the nozzles.  For some reason this plane is mostly natural metal finish instead of black.  I just passed it on my way to the car, the parking meter was about to expire so I didn't have time to take more pnotos.  Good luck on your SR-71A, sounds like a fun build!

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Posted by burrito king on Thursday, February 22, 2024 11:24 PM

Btw here is a link to a collection of weathered aircraft photos. I got some weathering ideas there.

https://www.dreamstime.com/photos-images/aircraft-corrosion.html?pg=2

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Posted by Eaglecash867 on Friday, February 23, 2024 6:15 AM

burrito king
All the F-105 photos show bare metal inside with uniform dark sooty coating, so my Thud nozzle definitely isn't historically accurate.  But I still like the way it looks :)

When it comes down to it, that's what's important.  As for whether or not a weathering effect is historically accurate, that is very subjective, because a great deal of that depends on the age of the aircraft being modeled, maintenance activities/part replacement, and the environment it has been in.  I've seen enough dogmatic "panel lines aren't visible" statements to wonder what they're based on, because I work with all kinds of different aircraft in real life on a daily basis, and the only ones that statement holds true on are the pristine corporate jets and some of the brand new bug smashers.  Everything else has visible panel lines to one degree or another.  There's nothing saying that your Thud's exhaust wouldn't have looked the way you made it at some point in its life.  The exhaust weathering I did on my F-4Bs J79s was based on pics I took of an RF-4C at Ramstein AB in Germany (in 2016 I think).  But, the aircraft had been sitting, abandoned in a HAS for 20 years before I took the photo, so who knows what it would have looked like when it was still operational.  "Looks good" was good enough for me. Big Smile

RF-4C at Ramstein

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Posted by Tanker-Builder on Friday, February 23, 2024 5:09 PM

Well Now!

      It's rare for me to visit here. Planes have gotten so big, I just don't have room. I can put Eight ships in the shelf space of two F-15 Strike eagles! That's even in my preferred scale of 1/48! Anyway, looking over your photos in this post. You Sir, have done an admirable job. Yours is one of the few builds of that plane I like, I specifically didn't like the plane's design. Something looked weird to me! Still does, but yours puts that to rest! Beautiful and Well Done build!

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Posted by TigerII on Saturday, February 24, 2024 12:04 AM

Nice job on this "Thud". I built this same kit back in 2020. Good kit and fun to build.

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Posted by burrito king on Friday, March 1, 2024 10:24 AM

As for whether or not a weathering effect is historically accurate, that is very subjective, because a great deal of that depends on the age of the aircraft being modeled, maintenance activities/part replacement, and the environment it has been in.

 

Hi Eaglecash867, I completely agree, weathering is subjective. When I look at photos there is usually a wide variation from brand new to completely dirty and worn. It is easy for me to imagine circumstances when the ground crew has plenty of time to clean and polish the planes to look almost brand new. But there are probably wartime circumstances when the operational pace and manpower shortages mean the crew barely has time to keep the planes flying, let alone keep them clean. So historical accuracy often depends on which photo you happen to choose. And even If there is no photo, who's to say a model is accurate or not? At the end of the day, all planes are machines with fuel, lubricants, fluids, heat, dirt, exposure to sunlight, rain, etc. And will get dirty if not cleaned and polished regularly.

As far as panel lines go, in my mind the photographic evidence clearly shows panel lines in most instances. How these are portrayed on a model is a matter of personal preference. Imo these would be left off if trying to portray a brand new plane fresh from the factory. Wartime birds seeing heavy use with an overworked crew would probably have visible panel lines with varying amounts of shading. Along with other types of stains, grime, etc.

I love the photo of the RF-4C exhaust. I think the kit manufacturers can do a better job of molding these details into the exhaust parts.

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Posted by burrito king on Friday, March 1, 2024 10:37 AM

Hi Tanker-Builder, thanks for looking. I always liked the Thud from the very first kit I made as a kid. I believe it was an AMT 1/72 with optional parts to show battle damage. Sadly, that model ended up getting blown up by a firecracker or shot to pieces by a BB gun ;)

The Thud is a huge plane, it makes my Me-262 and P-38 look puny.

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Posted by burrito king on Friday, March 1, 2024 10:41 AM

Hi TigerII, that is a beautiful model. One day I hope to achieve paint finish that smooth. And the feathered edges of the camo pattern are so consistent. The canopy framing looks perfect. All around excellent job!

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