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FineScale Modeler WWI Aeroplane Group Build 2013

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Posted by GMorrison on Friday, May 10, 2013 1:30 PM

Tim Kidwell

GMorrison

I'm about to tackle the same area and I will give it a go. All the little brace wires that run from the horns back to the surfaces.

GM - I happened upon this earlier today and thought of you and the splicing question from last week. I don't know if it will help, but, hopefully, it'll give you some ideas at least.

Thats a good link, Tim and it makes reference to a really good earlier one that unfortunately is no longer linked to it's pictures, by Scalephantomphixer.

The Felixstowes came in a wild assortment of schemes, some of which are shown here

There's quite a few on the back cover of Windsock #82 which unfortunately I cannot reproduce here.

Camouflage seems to have been secondary to visibility for air-sea rescue, and also for identification during operations.

There's a detail that I won't be including as my ship didn't have it, but these things didn't seem to have any wireless sets, and they signaled each other in some cases with an arm semaphore assemble just like a railroad would have, mounted on a pole standing above the upper wing over the fuselage.

You'll see soon enough, if you can't guess from my pictures, why that wouldn't work on mine, N4543.

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Posted by Bish on Friday, May 10, 2013 2:24 PM

Ssasho, wow, that's amazing. And after doing your that, your fighting the decals. Can they relaly be that bad.

GM, really nice. Those red and white schemes you two are doing are some impressive work.

Greg, great work on the tail. Mine looks easy compared to that. I like the paint work there as well.

I am a Norfolk man and i glory in being so

 

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Posted by Tim Kidwell on Friday, May 10, 2013 4:33 PM

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Posted by ruddratt on Friday, May 10, 2013 6:50 PM

Another excellent vlog entry Aaron & Tim, and that base looks sweet! Very nice work. Yes

 

Here's where the E.III sits at the moment.- the fuselage markings are on, it's weathered up with the help of some Tamiya weathering powders, and the main gear struts are attached and rigged in with the Gaspatch buckles & eyelets, EZ line, some fine twisted wire, and painted with Reaper metallics.

Work on the E.III will be on hold for a while as a few outdoor landscaping projects will be taking priority, like a new roof for the greenhouse and a new walkway to one of our outside decks. That, plus the fact that my wife is going out of town for about a 10 days and taking my camera with her.

Mike

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Posted by Gamera on Friday, May 10, 2013 6:59 PM

Mike: The weathering looks great!

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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Posted by gregbale on Friday, May 10, 2013 8:03 PM

Mike :  Even half-finished, that's almost painfully beautiful. Superb job.

Aaron and Tim: great job on the vlog.

Tim: Great base idea!

Greg

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Posted by GMorrison on Saturday, May 11, 2013 1:37 AM

I created a freakish set of clamps to take the sag out of the lower wing in order to set the braces under it correctly.

At the tail:

And under the wing:

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Posted by shivinigh on Saturday, May 11, 2013 10:22 AM

GMorrison-can't get over that paint job, you did incredible work and love the clamp idea

Ssascho0-really great job on on your paint, absolutely eye catching.

Tim-nice base idea and can't wait to see the finished product

I'm plugging away at the Gotha bomber, got the engines and MG mounts done and started working on the cockpit area. Doubt it will be done before the deadline of the GB but going to try.

 

 

 

 

 

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Posted by gregbale on Saturday, May 11, 2013 2:11 PM

GMorrison - great job on the clamping jig, hope it licked the problem. And your paint job is even more impressive close up!

Greg

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Posted by jeaton01 on Sunday, May 12, 2013 8:18 PM

Mike, I'm warning you, don't get involved in a house project!  That has happened to me and it may be a bottomless pit.  I'm building a screened porch on the back of my house and a workshop/storage shed and since I started it I have not made any progress on the DH9a.  Too much mess and too pooped.  Monday is more concrete work, pouring the stem wall for the workshop.  I feel like I am not keeping up my part of the Group Build, but I will be able to make more progress now that there is a way to get out the back door of the house.  Good Grief, two guys have finished!  Congrats!

Yesterday I came to a point where i had to let paint dry on that project so I did in fact do some work on my DH.  I made some wires and turnbuckles (simulated, not as nice as yours, MIke!) from 2 pound test monofilament and Micro-tubing and installed cross bracing across the fuselage and x-bracing on the sides of the fuselage frame where the instructions called for it.  The monofilament is .004, which seems about right numerically for scale, times 32 that would be .128, just over 1/8 which sounds right to me.  I ran a black sharpie pen down the line, and painted the tubing representing the turnbuckles with Humbrol copper.  What line could possibly be right for 1/72, but then since I can barely see the .004 line painted black, it probably works fine for 1/72.

Here we go:

The house project:

The materials and an uninstalled but finished wire assembly and what I used:

The wires installed.  I also rigged the rudder pedals, but with stretched E-Z-Line, and the trim tab wheel and throttles, also with E-Z-Line, not stretched.  All will be easily visible with a good borescope when done.

 

John

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Posted by Tim Kidwell on Monday, May 13, 2013 4:09 PM

Hi guys,

Thanks for the nice words about the base. I think it's pretty cool.

Ruddratt - The front end on on the E.III looks like metal sheeting. Very well done!

GMorrison - Whetting the appetite for the main course! Can't wait to see the upper wing on this baby.

John - Very sharp detail work. Did you cover your turnbuckles?

I have finished test-fitting the pieces for the front end of my D.VII and am fairly comfortable with how they appear to come together. I've started painting the exhaust and panel interiors. Tomorrow, they go on!

Everyone, you're doing awesome! Aaron and I are working for another surprise for you guys. Stay tuned!

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Posted by wing_nut on Monday, May 13, 2013 4:30 PM

Howdy boys an girls

 

Tim and fine vlog installment.  But a reminder of how far I am getting behind.

 

Shiv, outstanding work on the Roland and a fine additional to the finished list.

 

GM, Lovely, just lovely work.

 

Greg, impressive works with the checkerboard.

 

Mike, Crikey!  WOW son!

 

John, your backyard looks like my bench.

 

A question for ya Mike… Howdya do the cable loop for the turnbuckle?

 

 

 

Managed to squeeze a little time at the bench.  Got the fuselage tail end ready for some rigging with some tubes set into the side,  The control horns for the elevator is ready for install and rigging.  Even got some of the paint on..  All the blue is done and green uppers waiting for the mauve.

 

 

 

And this is a Gaspatch air speed indicator.  The dial that comes with it need to be pouched out so I used the WNW decal and punched a piece of clear plastic for the dial face.

Marc  

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Posted by wing_nut on Monday, May 13, 2013 4:33 PM

Can someone tell me why the text between photo is hot linked?  Is it because it is between 2 photos?

Marc  

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Posted by shivinigh on Monday, May 13, 2013 8:26 PM

Ruddrat- I love how it looks like you actually took pieces of galvanized steel and wrapped it around. Great work.


Wingnut- Your build is coming along nice and love your speed indicator, think it is telling me that I am typing too fastBig Smile


Tim- SURPRISE!!!!!!!!!! I love surprises. No chance of a hint to what it is? Hmm

 

 

 

 

 

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Posted by ruddratt on Tuesday, May 14, 2013 12:36 AM

Thanks fellas! It's nearing the home stretch now - will be tackling the wings this weekend. The instructions point out a bit of surgery required for the starboard wing - doesn't look too difficult.

John, no worries. It's only an 8x8 greenhouse, so the new roof (a corrugated polycarbonate) shouldn't take me too long. The walkway will be the real time killer - lots of digging involved there. Must say your projects looks way more time consuming than mine, but that's some very nice work your doing, and the DH looks great too! Yes

Marc, for the loop, I threaded some EZ line through the end of the buckle, held both ends of the line together and just started twisting, fairly tight. Then, gave it a bit of a stretch and applied a small drop of thin CA at the base of the loop. Once set, I just used a flush cutter and removed one of the strands as close to the CA joint as possible - that's pretty much it. Not sure about that hot-linked text though, but the Albatros is really shaping up nicely!

Tim, as shiv said, we LOVE surprises!!! Yes

Mike

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Posted by GMorrison on Tuesday, May 14, 2013 1:23 AM

Oh what fun!

Tonight the guys at Felixstowe put those two big Rolls Royce Eagles up on their mountings.

350 hp at 2000 rpm!

Can't wait to connect the fuel lines and fire them up.

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Posted by GMorrison on Tuesday, May 14, 2013 1:39 AM

Just so you all understand who brought jets into civil transportation.

Here's a picture of me (striped shirt) running a meeting in 1965 at the Bristol Siddeley guest house outside of that eponymous western British town.

My father is on the left in the white shirt. Attending the presentation are the chief electrical, airframe and performance (Dad) engineers from United.

The reason that I called this particular meeting was to evaluate Concorde vs, the US SST program.

I spent two summers running this thing, only to convince UAL to cancel the buy.

Next, the story of why I bought Caravelle. (Smart cookie!)

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Posted by Gamera on Tuesday, May 14, 2013 7:33 AM

John & Marc: Wow, great work guys!

GM: Yow! That's stupendous! Love her so far!

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Posted by Chuck Davis on Tuesday, May 14, 2013 7:52 AM

GM - I am in awe, man...I'm lovin' this.  Beautiful!

Sash - Gorgeous work...you've pulled off the "see thru" effect with perfection!

John - The DH.9 looks like it's coming along great.  I think I need to hire you, though...I need to replace all of our porch and deck railings this summer...interested?

 

Great job everyone.  I'm still stuck waiting to get enough bench time to get the oil paint on and start the streaking.  Crazy stuff like wife, kids and work keep getting in the way Stick out tongue

Chuck Davis

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Posted by Bish on Tuesday, May 14, 2013 1:30 PM

GM, that is just breath-taking.

I am a Norfolk man and i glory in being so

 

On the bench: Airfix 1/72nd Harrier GR.3/Fujimi 1/72nd Ju 87D-3

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Posted by Bish on Tuesday, May 14, 2013 1:34 PM

Mike, John and Marc, that all just beautiful stuff you guys are doing. These WW1 plans may be a pain to build, but even I have to admit, they are nicer looking than later aircraft. They are as much works of art as weapons of war.

Marc, I have noticed that when ever I use the IMG codes link on PB rather than the Direct link. Even at the end of the post.

I am a Norfolk man and i glory in being so

 

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Posted by Ernie_SK on Tuesday, May 14, 2013 10:23 PM

Mike just coming out of lurking mode to say how much I'm liking the Eindecker build.  Your abilities are sure not waining!  Keep up the good work....looking forward to the next installment.

Best Regards,

Ernie

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Posted by jgeratic on Wednesday, May 15, 2013 1:57 AM

Ssasho0  - I actually missed seeing the underside wing with the see-through effect, and had to go back and look at it again.  It really is subtle and because it was shot with an almost identical colour background, it had that chameleon effect.  Looks awesome! Yes

gregbale - super work, and great job with the EZ line. Yes

Mike - Fokker scourge looking right on.  Love the sublte mottling on the fuselage.  Did you rework the metal pattern on the cowl, it seems more clear now than the previous set of pics. Yes

GMorrison - really looking fine, and again, just gorgeous colour scheme. Yes

Tim - really enjoying those vlogs - and cool idea with the base. Yes

jeaton01 - get a load of  at all that detail, sweet work there. Yes

Marc - looking good, and that airspeed indicator is insane! Yes

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Guys, thanks for comments on the seat cushion.  One mistake I did do is laying the seatbelts down in a boring fashion, like they were ironed in place.  I should of added a fold on one of them somewhere to make it look more natural.

Anywho, base colour is now on, though cannot vouch for it's authenticity.  Descriptive texts on this particular aircraft only describe it as an overall dark brown.  A datafile publication does go a step further by stating the colour being 6E7 from the Methuen colour chart.  

Researching this colour chip though usually ended up in a deep brandy colour.  Some RGB interpretations have also been given to me.   So I picked the one I best thought fit the situation (apparently the dark colour was applied for possible night time operations).   The RGB swatch can be seen in the top left corner of the photo.  In the background is Pheon Decal's version, which I would describe as a dark maroon.

regards,

Jack

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Posted by Gamera on Wednesday, May 15, 2013 1:07 PM

Jack: Looks good! I like the shade, I'd almost call it something between a maroon and chocolate brown.

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Posted by wing_nut on Wednesday, May 15, 2013 7:50 PM

GM... it just keeps getting better and better

Jack... I like that color.

Mike...  Thanks for the info.  I like the look of that cable end on the turnbuckle.  What I am thinking of doing is to pre-make all the cables with EZLine with both ends doing what you did.  I'll keep them short, glue one end then stretch it and glue the other.   And I meant to ask before... What are Reaper metallics?

I got some paint on the wings. I tried to mimic the highlight the runs the length of the wing like in the drawing to accent the airfoil shape.  then with selective taping of the ribs and some post-its I highlighted one side and used Tamiya smoke for shadow on the sides of each rib.  I practiced on the lower wings 1st and there were a few lessons learned, like having to take off all the rib tape before i painted the mauve or the rib would have green stripesEmbarrassed, before getting to the upper.  After doing all the to the green I had to it all over again for the mauve.

 

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Posted by Ssasho0 on Thursday, May 16, 2013 2:18 AM

WingNut, the albie is going perfectly :) I like it!

I'm finishing my WnW AlbDa at the moment in the same camo scheme, I have only the radiator hose to add, the base  and the figures :)

Best regards,

Sasho

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Posted by Gamera on Thursday, May 16, 2013 9:02 AM

Marc: Love the paint schemes on those Great War birds, and beautiful work on the shading there.

Sasho: Cool, looking forward to the photos.

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Posted by Bish on Thursday, May 16, 2013 12:59 PM

jack, marc, nice paint work on both those.

I am a Norfolk man and i glory in being so

 

On the bench: Airfix 1/72nd Harrier GR.3/Fujimi 1/72nd Ju 87D-3

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Posted by Bish on Thursday, May 16, 2013 1:49 PM

OOOP's, me bad. Forgot to post my latest update. So here it is.

The paint is now complete and the decals are on. A little bit more rigging to do and then the final matt coat.

 

 

Colourful isn't it.

I am a Norfolk man and i glory in being so

 

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Posted by ruddratt on Thursday, May 16, 2013 8:00 PM

Jack - I love that color! Have to admit I never even knew about those particular schemes. Very nice! Yes

Marc - you are the master of shading techniques. That looks amazing! Great color scheme (I'm glad you didn't do the lozenge this time - would have hated to miss seeing these results). Oh yeah, the reaper paints - I love this product. They're designed for gamers and they brush on so easily. The metallics are to die for!

http://www.reapermini.com/Paints/corecolors

Bish - dude, that is very impressive stuff! I'm still blown away that it's your first bipe Light years ahead of my first one.

Mike

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