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shermanfreak

Member since
January 2003

Posted by shermanfreak on Wednesday, January 28, 2004 5:12 PM

Asykr - looking good so far on your Marine Sherman.
The tracks that come with that kit are the steel chevron (I think). This is the method that I use for that style of track. First paint the entire track with gunmetal. Next drybrush it with rust followed by a drybrushing of steel to highlight. Then I burnish the entire track with graphite (pencil lead) by dipping my finger into the graphite and then rubbing it on the track. Further weathering can be done with pastel chalks to match the vehicle.

Feldgrau23 - welcome aboard. Please confirm your kit choice for me though so that I can upgrade the build site. Are you talking the Tamiya Early M4 or the Tamiya M4A3 (not late).

Ga.modler - glad to here they're in your possession . Hope you're feeling better soon.

Ron - EXCUSES, EXCUSES

Happy Modelling and God Bless Robert

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Dwight Ta-ala

Member since
July 2003
From: Philippines

Posted by Dwight Ta-ala on Wednesday, January 28, 2004 5:49 PM

Asykr: It looks great. Not so often do we see Shermans in more than one color. You are almost done as I can see.

Well as for me I am little delayed but I promised myself to get it all done (God willing) by Sunday. Hope I can do it. I am a little worried about how to weather the thing. I cannot use my "soaked in the rain" look as M-51s are desert creatures. The only model I had weathered assuming desert conditions is my M1A1 and I don't know if it will look good on the M-51.

Well, just gotta try it I think. Afterall I can always repaint it if it didn't turn-out all right.

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Anonymous

Member since
November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, January 28, 2004 6:30 PM

Shermanfreak,,,, The Tamiya M4A3 Late Production 75MM Gun. I said the Early version at first but after rereading the Instructions relized I goofed and made a mistake. Either way I think I am going to build it anyhow. The first sherman I built I entered in a Modeling contest and Got an Hon. Mention. If only I had know how to weather back then,, I coulda been a contenda.

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shermanfreak

Member since
January 2003

Posted by shermanfreak on Wednesday, January 28, 2004 6:35 PM

Dwight - quit fretting !!!! You'll do great as always.

Rich - Thanks for letting me know, had me slightly confused for a second there (was worried Tamiya slipped one past me). I'll update the site tonight and add your page.

Happy Modelling and God Bless Robert

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Anonymous

Member since
November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, January 28, 2004 7:45 PM

Almost there. I'm sooo close to building the M10 I can taste it (not literally). This weekend I start! WOOPEEE!!! One project down (science fair, 100% naturally) and just and Me 262 to build for the other. Smile,Wink, & Grin [swg]

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Anonymous

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November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, January 28, 2004 7:51 PM

I've now got all the tracks cleaned up. Ready to start building the runs.

Just a little more work on the body and it will be ready for the suspension and "fiddly bits".

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Anonymous

Member since
November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, January 28, 2004 7:54 PM

http://rongeorge.com/modules/Gallery/upload?page=8
.......other side of our 1/72.....jeffl and son.......

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mark956

Member since
February 2003
From: USA

Posted by mark956 on Wednesday, January 28, 2004 11:54 PM

Very nice looking Sherman Asykr. I also like your camo job.
mark956

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shermanfreak

Member since
January 2003

Posted by shermanfreak on Thursday, January 29, 2004 12:48 AM

The Group Build site has been updated. Rich (feldgrau23) has been added.

Just a reminder for those who have been around right from the start, and some info for the new members who have recently joined.

Finished pics can be submitted to me by e-mail to ShermanGroup@shaw.ca
Please keep this to a maximum of 5 pics.

In progress pics can be shown here on the site through the normal pic hosting sites that you use.

The site for the Group Build is at www.members.shaw.ca/ShermanGroup

This site address and the e-mail address are always in my sigtag so if you haven't got them bookmarked in your favorites, you can always find them on one of my posts.

Hope everyone's having as much fun with this build as I am !!!!

Happy Modelling and God Bless Robert

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Anonymous

Member since
November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, January 29, 2004 1:43 AM

Don't seem to be making much progress. May be going a bit overboard tyring to show a well used 'ROO. Pics are of front and rear 'cause I've not done anything with the tracks yet, don't want to do mud, more of a breakout, fast moving road wear and tear.

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Buddho

Member since
March 2003
From: Newport News VA

Posted by Buddho on Thursday, January 29, 2004 4:50 AM

Good looking dirty Kangaroo, Bob

Dan

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Anonymous

Member since
November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, January 29, 2004 10:01 AM

QUOTE: Originally posted by Poniatowski

What's stumping you Frosty?
Ron

Ron:
no one particular thing at this point....
it's just that the M32 is bristling w/ odd little fittings.
the more i look at the pix, the more i realize how much scratchbuilding work i'm
going 2 have 2 do....
feeling mildly overwhelmed, had a minor 'crisis of faith' there.
but i figure, it's just a liltle bit of styrene & a lot of working it out.... Wink [;)]

Robert:
thanx 4 ur vote of confidence... Blush [:I]

the intricacy of the fittings on the M32 is a quantum leap from the mostly simple flat planes of the ersatz, i think.
if i can make this look ok, i'll be really happy !

i picked up a package of 4 small turned aluminum pulleys, they're made 4 auto detailing in 1/24, but there was 1 that looked like it mite b rite 4 the lifting rig.

painted roadwheel rubber, continued cleaning flash from suspension...

jeffl is almost finished, wow !

frosty Smile [:)]

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nmayhew

Member since
July 2003
From: Kent, England

Posted by nmayhew on Thursday, January 29, 2004 10:26 AM

hi guys

got all the decals on last night Smile [:)]

, and was rather surprised that they went on so well over the rear exit hatch with just a little micro sol Big Smile [:D]

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just have to give it another coat of future now, then it's time to test djmodels' way of doing washes.
and when i get home from work, i shall drag my girlfriend to the computer and proudly point out my 3 gold stars!! Smile [:)]

regards,
nick "multimedia" mayhew Tongue [:P]

Kind regards, Nicholas

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nmayhew

Member since
July 2003
From: Kent, England

Posted by nmayhew on Thursday, January 29, 2004 10:28 AM

QUOTE: Originally posted by nmayhew

hi guys
got all the decals on last night, and was rather surprised that they went on so well over the rear exit hatch with just a little micro sol.
just have to give it another coat of future now, then it's time to test djmodels' way of doing washes.
and when i get home from work, i shall drag my girlfriend to the computer and proudly point out my 3 gold stars!!
regards,
nick "multimedia" mayhew

errr...do i get instantly demoted for putting this post in the wrong group build?![:0]
oh, the embarrassment!
Sign - With Stupid [#wstupid]

Kind regards, Nicholas

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M1abramsRules

Member since
June 2003

Posted by M1abramsRules on Thursday, January 29, 2004 11:48 AM

anyone got some more interior shots of the M10??? I want to put in a few more details.

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Anonymous

Member since
November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, January 29, 2004 1:23 PM

QUOTE: Originally posted by frostygirl

no one particular thing at this point....
it's just that the M32 is bristling w/ odd little fittings.
the more i look at the pix, the more i realize how much scratchbuilding work i'm
going 2 have 2 do....
feeling mildly overwhelmed, had a minor 'crisis of faith' there.
but i figure, it's just a liltle bit of styrene & a lot of working it out....

frosty

Frosty,

Work big to small... Larger forms first, then add details. I know you'll do fine if you do that and break things into managable bits to work on. IF you do get stuck, just post it on the site and you'll get lots of answers!

Jeffl! Looking good!

Bob3242, You're feeling behind?? I'm still working on my tranny! [:0]

M1Abrams, I wish I'd have taken more shots in the Patton Museum's M10, but was kind of distracted (had finicky Stuart to drive that day). Do you have, or can you get (from a library) a copy of Hunnicutt's book? I think there are some good shots in there.
What exactly did you want to detail more? Perhaps we could help in specifics.

Ron Smile [:)]

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Anonymous

Member since
November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, January 29, 2004 1:27 PM

QUOTE: Originally posted by scubaboy99

Almost there. I'm sooo close to building the M10 I can taste it (not literally).

O C'mon 'scubaboy'!

LIve on the wild side... take out the upper hull and give 'er a taste Tongue [:P]

[:0]

Ron

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shermanfreak

Member since
January 2003

Posted by shermanfreak on Thursday, January 29, 2004 4:15 PM

Bob - that is one ratty looking Kangaroo you have on your hands .... I like it Big Smile [:D]

Abrams - turret or hull

Nick - because you posted in the wrong thread .... no gold stars for you, just O.D. green ones

Happy Modelling and God Bless Robert

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M1abramsRules

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June 2003

Posted by M1abramsRules on Thursday, January 29, 2004 4:49 PM

hull, please. Smile [:)]

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M1abramsRules

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June 2003

Posted by M1abramsRules on Thursday, January 29, 2004 4:58 PM

the library system in Sk does not have any of Hunnicutts books. too expensive for me to get off of ebay too. Wink [;)]

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Anonymous

Member since
November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, January 29, 2004 5:31 PM

.....a funny thing happened to us on the way to painting our ...tracks...(with 4 colors that my son says...all look alike)...a coffe cup tipped over next to our sherm...well..our tracks now have another color...maxwell house with a 1/2 a sweet n low......looks nice / tastes great.....jeffl

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renarts

Member since
April 2003
From: Sunny Florida

Posted by renarts on Thursday, January 29, 2004 5:35 PM

Frosty,

Scratchbuilding isn't tough if you break it down into its forms.
Spheres, cubes, cylinders, cones. Everything else is gravy off that.
i.e. look at your hand. A rectangle for the palm, spheres for the knuckles & joints, cylinders for the fingers.
Think in shapes not detail and the detail will come naturaly.
You already have a good foundation for what you're doing (I bring to example your ersatz build) but I think you're stressing out needlessly on this one. Even if you make a mistake or aren't real comfortable with your result, its still a step in the right direction.

I found an article from a Military Modeling compilation book I bought back in 1974, of a build that Steve Zaloga did. If you look at his stuff now and look at the build he did then....................night and day. So....baby steps and you'll do fine. Its only plastic and what else do we do this for?

Mike

Mike "Imagination is the dye that colors our lives" Marcus Aurellius A good friend will come and bail you out of jail...but, a true friend will be sitting next to you saying, "Damn...that was fun!"

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M1abramsRules

Member since
June 2003

Posted by M1abramsRules on Thursday, January 29, 2004 6:10 PM

the inside of the hatches, would they be the interior or exterior color?

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shermanfreak

Member since
January 2003

Posted by shermanfreak on Thursday, January 29, 2004 6:26 PM

Abrams - exterior colour
Back to the interior for a minute .... driver's compartment or fighting compartment.

Happy Modelling and God Bless Robert

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Buddho

Member since
March 2003
From: Newport News VA

Posted by Buddho on Thursday, January 29, 2004 7:06 PM

I started work on the individual tracks. You are right Robert, they aren't as bad as I thought... after snapping off guides halfway around the room, I settled down and commenced to building.

Dan

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RAF120

Member since
March 2003
From: Exit 7a NJ Turnpike

Posted by RAF120 on Thursday, January 29, 2004 8:52 PM

I was working on the tracks last night. I got a couple of runs done and was pleased to fine out that it went together a little easier than expected. I'm using RHPS' track links and it's nice because they're a press fit making it semi-workable. This mean that you can get it around the drive sprocket and idler before gluing it. I think the hardest part is making sure all the track blocks are facing the right way.

Trevor Where am I going and why am I in this handbasket?

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Anonymous

Member since
November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, January 29, 2004 11:35 PM

QUOTE: Originally posted by RAF120

I was working on the tracks last night. I got a couple of runs done and was pleased to fine out that it went together a little easier than expected. I'm using RHPS' track links and it's nice because they're a press fit making it semi-workable. This mean that you can get it around the drive sprocket and idler before gluing it. I think the hardest part is making sure all the track blocks are facing the right way.

RAF120,

Which RHPS's track links have you got?

I got one of the first T51's and every link has two sink holes to fill. One on the top and one on the bottom.

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nmayhew

Member since
July 2003
From: Kent, England

Posted by nmayhew on Thursday, January 29, 2004 11:44 PM

QUOTE: Originally posted by shermanfreak

Bob - that is one ratty looking Kangaroo you have on your hands .... I like it

Abrams - turret or hull

Nick - because you posted in the wrong thread .... no gold stars for you, just O.D. green ones

Kind regards, Nicholas

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M1abramsRules

Member since
June 2003

Posted by M1abramsRules on Thursday, January 29, 2004 11:58 PM

robert: both the driving and fighting compartments. I got one of the drivers already though (Ron's)

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Anonymous

Member since
November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Friday, January 30, 2004 8:59 AM

jeffl:
LOL ! just think of it as additional weathering ! Wink [;)]

Ron & Mike:
thanx 4 the advice, it's always welcome !
i'm actually feeling a bit better about it now...
took a couple of deep breaths 2 calm myself down
& a couple of days off 2 work on some structures 4 model rr projects. Big Smile [:D]

last nite i did a bit more work:
- painted the driver's compartment & turret floor white
- cleaned more flash from suspension units
trying 2 decide just how detailed i want interior 2 b...
i'll probably just do a little work on the inside (famous last words)
'cause the outside is going 2 keep me busy.

this weekend: more work on lifting rig (a-frames)

frosty Smile [:)]

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