AIR RACER GROUP BUILD BECAUSE WE FEEL THE NEED FOR SPEED

Randy,

Thanks for the link to that brand. It appears they have a nice selection overhere at the dutch aviation megastore wich is nice to know.

After my C47 for the NMF group you just might find me knocking at your door for a place here in the Race Group. Maybe Red Baron, maybe Critical mass... First im gonna get myself familiarized with the Reno races as we don't have things that going here across the pond, only the Red Bull airraces.

daddy1 wrote:

Looks good. I have this kit in Navy or Army Air Corp markings . Looks like it would build OOB into a very nice model. I may use  mine as a decompress build from the F-82. Would probably go with one of the teams using Military markings so it would still look at home next to my WWII warbirds. Any issues with the kit I should look out for?

Thie Monogram T-6 is one of my all-time favorite kits and even though they used the red plastic on this version, it builds same as the silver or grey plastic releases.  I like the Italeri T-6G better though.  The decals are the worst part of this kit, a little clear but I don't think I'll paint over them as it doesn't look bad.  I can't attest to the accuracies of this kit since I don't care about that, but it builds nice in my opinion.  Just watch the seams.

Kg,

Nice work on Miss Behavin.

Looks like I may have found my build for this group.  Now to scour airliners.net for more pics of her.

kg4kpg wrote:

Okay, three more pics.  Got a coat of red paint on, cut off the rudder to off-set it a little, coat of future and most of the decals.  Typical old Monogram, they were a lttle hard to get the bubbles out and they are a bit transparent.  Not sure if I'll ad some white paint to improve them or not, they don't look horrible and I'm usually happy OOB.  Going to do a little more on the engine as well, little weathering and so on.  Here ya go.

 Looks good. I have this kit in Navy or Army Air Corp markings . Looks like it would build OOB into a very nice model. I may use  mine as a decompress build from the F-82. Would probably go with one of the teams using Military markings so it would still look at home next to my WWII warbirds. Any issues with the kit I should look out for?

Kermit So you are coming to the fast side huh Richard, would be only too happy to have you here. I dont know much about AM for the racers, But I do know of a company who makes and sells air racer kits. They have a pretty good selection in 1/72 and a few in 1/48 of which they are adding more of them too. They also have a few resin bits they offer for the racers. I have read the kits are rough and do require a lot of sanding and fitting of parts. Oh and they do have a kit of the Red Baron in 1/72 and I think 1/48. Heres the link to their site for you to check out if you wish. http://www.hiplanes.com/

Kg4kpg Miss Behavin is lookin sweet ! I like your idea of posing the rudder, makes the model look much more real I think. Judging from your progress it looks like yoiur build will be the first to hit the front page

Simpilot I couldnt watch the race on the link you shared with us but I did find an internet radio broadcast of it that I did listen to, wish I could have seen it though must have been very exciting to see.

Johnny Roscoe All that work you have done and no pictures to share ??? Leme help you out here put the Camera on the charger !!!!! 

Daddy1 I just cant wait to see this build. I like you idea of black too, it would look very sinister, evil even.

While waiting for paint and glue to dry on another build I am trying to get finished for the NMF group, I was listening to the air races from Reno and decided to pull out my Laird Solution kit and take a look in the box. Figured this would be a fun fairly easy build after my last 2 nightmare builds. What I found was no cockpit parts in the kit, loads of flash to be cleaned up, a bad mismatch between the top and bottom of both wings, geeze ....... So as I said while listening to the race and duely motivaited I got out my files and polishing sticks, a fresh glass of ice tea I set to work. Heres a picture of what I started out with.

Also looks like I will have some seroius filling to do around the wing to fues joints too. But my build has offically started, well one of them anyway

MIflyer wrote:

daddy1 wrote: One idea I'm very much drawn to is moving the radiators to the center wing section ala Stilletto,and completely eliminating the belly scoops. Although, I really do like the NACA style scoops in my sketches. It would still slim and streamline the underside a whole bunch.  I was wondering if you might go that route. I think it'd be awesome! Your streamlined Twin 'Stang reminds me of a Rutan Pond Racer on steroids. Very cool. Kev

 Thanx. The top view made me think of the Batplane and I got to thinking of a possible gloss black paint scheme and naming it Dark Knight. Would look pretty sinister.

 First few pics of the Twin 'Stang.

 My first step is to grind off the molded interior detail. I want a flat surface in these areas to add a bulkhead or two to help support the new "sheet metal".

 Cleaned up mating surfaces on flat sandpaper and joined the engine nacelle and fuselage halves. Seams need cleaning up as well as other mating surfaces. Pencil lines show what I'll cut out and "skin" over.

 Again, penciled in where I'm going to cut out and skin over. Right side cockpit will be faired over. Left side will be moved aft as seen roughly penciled in. Probably will not move cockpit that far back. Actually the front bulkhead of the new cockpit will be approx. where the stock seat back would have been.

Penciled approx. where I'm going to cut the scoops off the bottoms. I will save these as I may use them in reshaping the belly scoops.

Center wing halves tacked together. Once again I've penciled will cut out the belly scoops. Whether I move the radiators to the center wing or reduce the scoops profile with NACA inlets, I still need to cut these areas out. And again , I'll save the cut out pieces for possible future use.

 The bottom of the gear wells is also some what rough textured plastic, I may just cut out the kit molded wells and rebuild them with sheet stock. I plan on detailing them up anyway.

 Even though this kit is kinda rough I don't look for it to be quite as involved as my Lib. I'll only have one cockpit to detail. This will be more adressing fit issues and body work. Although, the props may be somewhat of a challenge. Especially if I go with double counter rotating props.

 This is going to be a lot of fun .

WOOHOO Go baby GO!!!!!! Dang I didn't know he was that young..holly crap!!! Glad to here strega and Jr. won today. Now I have some more motovation to finish Strega!! Can't wait. She is already coming together fairly well.

Sorry no pics but my camera is dead and havent charged it. Got the milliput on the model and almost ready to be vacuformed. Clipped the wings and about to start on the CP soon I hope.

vetteman42 wrote:

Just a quick note guys cause I gotta run Young STEVE HINTON WINS RENO!! Beating his fathers record as the youngest racer to win Reno Unlimited Gold. Steve Hinton Sr held that record at the age of 26, Steve Hinton Jr wins today at age 22. New fastest lap race record was set today by young Steve Hinton @ 505.64mph New fast race average speed set today by young Steve @ 492mph John Penny in Rare Bear places second 13 seconds behind Strega with a stock engine. Pretty fair flying I would say. Czech Mate came in 3rd running a PW 2800R motor. Did you know the very first offical air race was held 100 years ago in France with 4 planes entered. Only two made it off the ground, none finished the 8 mile long closed course race with an average race speed of 22 mph. Thought that was interesting

Watched it live via the web, was the first time ever hey have done that!!!! Was AWESOME!!!! few bugs to work out on the telecast for next year but it was worth it!!! Like father , like son eh? Way to go Steve'O!!!!!!!

Just a quick note guys cause I gotta run

Young STEVE HINTON WINS RENO!!

Beating his fathers record as the youngest racer to win Reno Unlimited Gold. Steve Hinton Sr held that record at the age of 26, Steve Hinton Jr wins today at age 22.

New fastest lap race record was set today by young Steve Hinton @ 505.64mph

New fast race average speed set today by young Steve @ 492mph

John Penny in Rare Bear places second 13 seconds behind Strega with a stock engine. Pretty fair flying I would say. Czech Mate came in 3rd running a PW 2800R motor.

Did you know the very first offical air race was held 100 years ago in France with 4 planes entered. Only two made it off the ground, none finished the 8 mile long closed course race with an average race speed of 22 mph. Thought that was interesting

Okay, three more pics.  Got a coat of red paint on, cut off the rudder to off-set it a little, coat of future and most of the decals.  Typical old Monogram, they were a lttle hard to get the bubbles out and they are a bit transparent.  Not sure if I'll ad some white paint to improve them or not, they don't look horrible and I'm usually happy OOB.  Going to do a little more on the engine as well, little weathering and so on.  Here ya go.

kermit wrote:

WOW,... Just took a peek overhere at the race corner to see who Randy could persuade into starting a racer model and i must say.... WOW!!! Wasn't that interested at first but especially after seeing all those profiles Randy put on here (taichun site) i am tempted....very tempted... I just love the simplicity and agressiveness of that all red "Red Baron". Only thing that is bugging me is that i have never seen these racing canopies for Mustangs anywhere... Is there some AM stuff available for a hasegawa or tamiya P51D? Richard

In 1/48 I know there are a few but I forgot where I saw them. Im in 1/32 and you see very few of them in this scale. Most people like myself are scratch building most of the airplane.

WOW,...

Just took a peek overhere at the race corner to see who Randy could persuade into starting a racer model and i must say....

WOW!!!

Wasn't that interested at first but especially after seeing all those profiles Randy put on here (taichun site) i am tempted....very tempted... I just love the simplicity and agressiveness of that all red "Red Baron".

Only thing that is bugging me is that i have never seen these racing canopies for Mustangs anywhere... Is there some AM stuff available for a hasegawa or tamiya P51D?

Richard

vetteman42 wrote:

Seeing what you guys are planning for this build is mind blowing ! This is gonna be a blast. Daddy1 hurry up and get your other build finished, I have been following that one also Cant wait to see this F-82R build. Kg4kpg Beautiful work on the cockpit ! You really have gotten the holeshot on us Thought I would post a link so you guys could keep an eye on the results at Reno this weekend. 22 year old Steven Hinton from Chino Ca has the pole for the unlimiteds with a speed of 486mph. His first year flying Strega. http://www.aviationnews.eu/2009/09/17/reno-air-races-2009-at-aviationnews-eu-16-20-september/ From the looks of it there will be a lot of mind games going on for Sundays race

YAAY GO BABY GO!!!! see my girl and Mr. Hinton are doing well so far, lets hope they win a tommarrow!!

Bret

 Red13Bar- Sorry, I got caught up in my "More Power" mania. A further development of the Jug was the P-72, with the R-4360 powerplant. I found a number of sites on the web with some good pics of this bird. It would require some extensive conversion work, mainly from the cockpit forward.

 simpilot34- What I meant was to counter the effect of the torque, not to soak up the power and thrust. 

 I don't know if you've looked at Stilleto's way of placing the radiators in the  wings. The inlets are in the leading edge with the hot air exiting through louvers in the top surface near the flaps. I wonder how that affects the airflow over the wings. It could create a boundary layer effect . I'm still thinking on which way to go with the cooling system.

 fermis- I can see why this kit gave you nightmares. I have tacked together the fuselage, wings, and such .  Whew! A number of fit refinement issues to deal with just to mock up what I want to build. 

 For anyone else thinking of getting this kit, don't be scared away. It can be built into a fine model. Just be prepared to work at it. Are the other Modelcraft kits this way?

Red13Bar tere is a company called Engines & Things and Roll Models carries there full line. Look at there site, they have a searchable online catalogue!! www.rollmodels.com

Randy I came upon a site if you want o get a live feed. It's $24.95 though. www.LiveAirshowTV.com Looking forward to well Monday morning for me!!

Red13Bar The front page is updated with your build, I didnt list the 109 because you said you will possiably build it. Hey congradulations going for Eagle Scout ! I wish more kids were able to get involved in the scouts. I was a scout way back when, long ago, in the olden days. Let us know when you get your badge my friend. I dont know much about the aftermarket engines one can get and the 4360 sounds like a monster motor. I have gotten my mits on a couple of PW 2800 engines in 1/48 scale off of ebay for under 10 bucks including shipping. Maybe some of the other guys here can chime in and give you some idea of where to get one.

Simpilot34 Your welcome I for one always have a hard time finding news of the Reno races untill its been over for a couple of weeks. I stumbled across this site looking for other info on the net by accident. Go figure huh. I am a bit worried about Rare Bear this year I do know they changed the prop on the plane from the cut down P-3 Orion 3 blade prop to a 4 blade prop. I dont remember seeing Dago Red in the lineup either, so it may be Strega and Cech Mate this year. But one never knows what will happen at Reno.

Anyway in other news of Reno another record was shattered this year in the jet class. It seems Curt Brown set the speed record last year for jets at 524mph. This year he shattered his own record in a L-29 called Viper at 538mph. I think he was pilot on a number of shuttle missions so that speed must be a walk in the park for him.

I'll say there are some mind games going on for Sundays race!!! Rare Bear qualifying in at 402!!! Thats slow for Rare Bear!!!  Steve Hinton blowing in at 486!!!! Somethings not right there!

Thanks for posting the link Randy!!

Seeing what you guys are planning for this build is mind blowing ! This is gonna be a blast.

Daddy1 hurry up and get your other build finished, I have been following that one also Cant wait to see this F-82R build.

Kg4kpg Beautiful work on the cockpit ! You really have gotten the holeshot on us

Thought I would post a link so you guys could keep an eye on the results at Reno this weekend. 22 year old Steven Hinton from Chino Ca has the pole for the unlimiteds with a speed of 486mph. His first year flying Strega.

http://www.aviationnews.eu/2009/09/17/reno-air-races-2009-at-aviationnews-eu-16-20-september/

From the looks of it there will be a lot of mind games going on for Sundays race

daddy1 wrote:

One idea I'm very much drawn to is moving the radiators to the center wing section ala Stilletto,and completely eliminating the belly scoops. Although, I really do like the NACA style scoops in my sketches. It would still slim and streamline the underside a whole bunch.

I was wondering if you might go that route. I think it'd be awesome!

Your streamlined Twin 'Stang reminds me of a Rutan Pond Racer on steroids. Very cool.

Kev

lewbud wrote:

Richie I believe Howard's talking about using the leading edge of the center section for the radiators.  Go to the Taichi drawings and look for Stilletto and you'll see what he may have in mind.  Howard, The five bladed scimitar props would look way cool.  This will be a most interesting build.

 Exactly what I have in mind. Those Taichi drawings have already been a great source of inspiration and reference for me. 

 Tsunami had four blade scimitar props , but I want a bit more exotic looking so, five blades.I've also thought of the five blade props seen on some Griffon powered Spitfires.  It seems to me one of the main reasons some aircraft have the six blade, counter rotating props is to soak up some of the Griffons torque. My bird has two engines . Have them counter rotate to accomplish the same effect if this were a real full size airplane.

Ahhhhh ok, so the outlets would remain where they are, just the intakes for them will be changed???

Richie

I believe Howard's talking about using the leading edge of the center section for the radiators.  Go to the Taichi drawings and look for Stilletto and you'll see what he may have in mind. 

Howard,

The five bladed scimitar props would look way cool.  This will be a most interesting build.

daddy1 wrote:

I hope to soon, get the base F-82 wings, fuselage, etc. tack glued together so I can see better what and where to cut ,shape. Then to start mocking up some ideas. One idea I'm very much drawn to is moving the radiators to the center wing section ala Stilletto,and completely eliminating the belly scoops. Although, I really do like the NACA style scoops in my sketches. It would still slim and streamline the underside a whole bunch.   One other idea I have for the props is a five blade semitar style prop for each side, counter rotating as the stock Twin 'Stang would. The blades would be patterned after the Tsunami prop seen in the Tachi drawings. Would still look very sexy.  Glad to see you guys like my concept. Mostly going to take some careful bodywork. I'm pleased you think it could be some thing that would actually fly. If someone with deep enough pockets and big enough kahunas to build the real 1/1 scale bird. Sort of like chopping ,channeling and overall street rodding a rare Auburn Boatail Speedster or Duesenburg coupe.But then , I love custom street rods, just my pockets aren't that deep. Thus, the fantasy dream racer.

Howard, I think I would go with the NACA style. Putting a big radiator under the mid wing woulddisrupt the laminar flow. DRAG! Maybe another idea would be the surface area type used on the Schneider racers in the wing skins, no scoops! That would be good for the mid wing!

As for the reality of it, I would not want anyone to do it for real unless it was a new build! They are just TOO rare! As for the custom Dusenberg or Boatail, for even thinking that you ought to be shot!!!

Here is something I discovered while looking at YouTube for reno '09 stuff. For those that cannot attend, like myself, they are doing a LIVE webcast on this site, http://liveairshowtv.com/indexsave.html this Sunday at 9am PST. It's $24.95 and you will get a login number. First time ever they are doing this!!! It will also be archived so you can watch the bits you want after the broadcast. Which is good because it will be in the wee hours here in Oz, but will catch as much as possible.

daddy1 - Your F-82 is going to be an amazing beast! Very cool.

kg4kpg - Looks like you're getting the jump on us all. That red plastic must drive you crazy... it's already hurting my eyes! I'll have to keep an eye on you if you decide to build the F2G as I've been itching to get that kit for a while now.

Kevin - Sweet! It will be nice to fly my XIV alongside your XVI. May the best man win!

Here's a quick glimpse of that Academy Spitfire mkXIV I will be building. May be a slow start as I try to finish up a couple more builds but I'll keep you updated. I'm doing this girl straight OOB for a nice relaxing build.

Looks like a decent little kit.