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FW-190 Reich Defender III 5/10-2/11

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  • From: Ancaster, Ontario
Posted by maxfax on Monday, October 4, 2010 10:51 AM

Spike:  your build is coming along nicely. I wish I pre-shaded my panel lines as well - it creates a nice effect.

Thunderbolt: Beautiful build! What did you use/method used to highlight the panel lines?

Rob

On the bench:  Revell 1/72 HCMS Snowberry

 

 

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Posted by Thunderbolt379 on Monday, October 4, 2010 8:55 AM

Hi Frank -- many thanks, it's been quite a job of work, taking up a fair part of my mid-semester break, I'm back to teaching two days from now, but will find bench time for necessary escapism!

If there are builds still going I'd be all for extending the deadline, I would certainly like to take a shot at the 1:32 A-8, it's already a fair way along on subassemblies. No guarantees, though, I have at least seven other projects that I should tie up first, including my 262 for RD II... I didn't complete a Phantom for my own F-4 GB! Embarrassed Do we have a decision yet on the theme for RD IV? Whatever it is, you know I'll be aboard!

Cheers, Mike/TB379

http://worldinminiature.blogspot.com/

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  • From: South Central Wisconsin
Posted by Daywalker on Monday, October 4, 2010 8:43 AM

Excellent work on that preshading Spike, well done!  Which scheme are you doing?

Mike- Outstanding stuff, welcome to the finish line!  That was quite a sprint at the end, and the finished product looks great my friend.  Page one updated!

With the end date looming ahead, should we extend the date, or finish up and prepare for RDIV?

Frank 

 

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Posted by Thunderbolt379 on Monday, October 4, 2010 8:34 AM

Done! Thanks to everyone for the compliments along the way, they sure help with keeping the momentum going to get from A to B.

Today I dusted the lower parts with MiG Europe Dust, corrected a couple of minor ommissions, and did the oh-so-fiddly antenna using EZ Line (not sure why they call it that, this time it took me about five attempts to get it to work, while the 109 on which I first experimented went through at the first prod!)

On with the evidence:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I wish I could get the antenna wire to not sag under the pull of the vertical section, but it seems to be part and parcel of this method! As always, comments and suggestions are more than welcome, I want every build to be better than the one before!

Frank -- thanks for another wonderful GB, I've learned fascinating stuff and had a lot of fun contributing to the amazing body of work that always seems to shake down when the "Luftwaffe Plasticworks" gets going! I'll post here when I manage to make progress on the other three kits I lined up for this build, and in the meantime I'll help myself to the badge. (I never feel right grabbing the badge until the model is actually done!)

Cheers, and thanks again,

Mike/TB379

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  • From: Wirral. UK
Posted by Spike190 on Monday, October 4, 2010 5:56 AM

Rob looks like your almost done, she looks great! Lovely clean paintwork.

Mike, excellent progress, I like your painting on the little bits, excellent work.

Sorry for my slow progress, mad week at work followed by a weekend away and now it's getting dark at 7PM!

A coat of Halfords grey acrylic primer and some pre-shading with some Gunze black, soz about dodgy pic.

Used Gunze RLM 76 on the underside and up the sides, lightening the centre of some panels to try and keep it a little interesting,

Added a couple of drops of dark grey to the 76 and using post-it notes as masks I picked out some panel edges, this will get a pro-modeller wash to wards the end so hopefully all come together nicely.

I'm hoping to start on the top side a little later.

Cheers...

Mike  Toast

 

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Posted by Thunderbolt379 on Sunday, October 3, 2010 7:10 AM

Maxfax -- another precise, clean build, a pleasure to see! Excellent!

Frank -- thanks for that link!

Latest WIP shot -- my near-daily progreess reports are drawing to a close and if the modelling gods smile it'll be the gallery pictures tomorrow. Here are the ancillary parts painted and ready to be fitted:

Frank, the spiral decal is on! Cool I must say, Tamiya didn't quite nail the algorithm for the conical development as well as Hasegawa did on their Bf 109 K-4, but it was close enough for four applications of MicroSol and a blade to get the spiral to snug down acceptably.

These parts are now going on, and yesterday I did the metal chipping. I'm not very comfortable with the technique yet so I went with less-is-more. If I get better at it I can scratch it a bit more in future, but for now I'm tempted to spot out a few metal bits that don't look quite right. I'll make a call on that tomorrow. Earlier today I did the carbon staining, it was not quite as satisfactory as on previous projects, but it's only my third or fourth time so some variation is to be expected yet.

Landing gear going on next, then tank, bombs and underside antennae, leaving dust on the lowest points and the radio antenna for tomorrow.

Cheers, Mike/TB379

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Posted by simpilot34 on Sunday, October 3, 2010 4:34 AM

Rob she looks stunning mate!!!!!Toast

WOW you did it again Frank!!!! WELL DONE mate!!!Toast Thanks for the pics too!!

Cheers, Lt. Cmdr. Richie "To be prepared for war, is one of the most effectual means of preserving the peace."-George Washington
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Posted by Julez72 on Sunday, October 3, 2010 3:55 AM

Rob, fantastic work, i'm seriously loving that build...I'll PM you my postal address so you know where to send it once your finishedYes

 

 

 

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Posted by Daywalker on Saturday, October 2, 2010 11:00 PM

Mike- I agree, the more I look for answer on Luftwaffe questions, the more questions are raised.  Ahhh... now I understand the allure of these machines.  I have also seen many different callouts for ordnance colors, never sure which is right.

Not sure if you have seen this site or not, and also am not sure if it is 100% accurate but it is an interesting study.

Bomb Annex

Hugh- So far, 18 completed and more on the way! Propeller

Rob- Excellent work on what I think is one of the most handsome 190's to take flight.  Great work on the masking, and I agree- painting that thin red outline sounds painful indeed.

Bill- Thanks mate, I appreciate that.  Break out the rum! ToastPirate

 

Frank 

 

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  • From: Carmel, CA
Posted by bondoman on Saturday, October 2, 2010 9:42 PM

WOOOHOOO!!!!!BeerFrank's Zero is in the newest issue!

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Posted by maxfax on Saturday, October 2, 2010 8:07 PM

Hello everyone,

I finished the build and the painting. I will start to detail and weather next over the next week or so. I am not sure if I am going to add the drop tank. I ended up paining the black forward fuselage markings instead of using the very thick decals, but I didn't have the courage or patience to add the red stripe that outlines it.

Thanks,

Rob

On the bench:  Revell 1/72 HCMS Snowberry

 

 

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  • From: Cleveland, OH
Posted by Clebode on Saturday, October 2, 2010 11:11 AM

Hello all.  Checked out all the new WIPs and they look fantastic! 

Does anyone know of a technique for removing yellowing from old decals other than the tape to the window sun bleach method?  No sun here now.

Frank--Do you have a count as to how many birds have been completed?

Hugh

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Posted by nomad68 on Saturday, October 2, 2010 12:09 AM

Hey Guys!  I have been away for a while just wanted to say Great Job on some good looking planes. Check out the front page love all those 190s Big Smile

Damon

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  • From: Brisbane
Posted by Julez72 on Friday, October 1, 2010 8:54 PM

Mike, looking good mate your build is really coming together nicely...I was hopeing to keep up with you but i keep rotating between other builds, at this point i'm thinking next weekend for my finish timeYes

 

 

 

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Posted by Thunderbolt379 on Friday, October 1, 2010 6:55 PM

Hi Frank,

Many thanks for the research pics, that's exactly what I was thinking of! It looks like that's how this decal is meant to go on, as indeed the spinner on the 109 K-4 i did for RD 1 was meant to go, or certainly looked that way. I'll secure the spinner down on tape because it'll take both hands on the job to apply a fiddly decal to a small part.

it's interesting that the bombs on the restored F-8 are what looks like chromate yellow. I've seen paint callouts for German bombs anywhere from gloss yellow to dark green... Maybe they varied as supplies were available and orders changed. I've gone with dark green, it just seemed the most 'natural' for bombs! And of course, you can't trust museum restorations 100%, they are only as good as the interpretation of the research data, just like anyone else's recommendations... It's also interesting to see from this pic that Tamiya got a much too pronounced step between the cowl and the armored ring.

Ingteresting observation re the stencils -- it may indeed be just as accurate to leave them off by this point, this particular aircraft was in action in March '45, who knows, it may have survived the war, so it was at the extreme end of the supply difficulties and extreme demands on service. With that in mind maybe I should make her a bit dirtier than I normally do!

Glad everyone's enjoying this build! Cheers, hope to get to the spinner, paint chips and carbon staining today, maybe even get her legs under her

Mike/TB379

http://worldinminiature.blogspot.com/

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  • From: Yokosuka, Japan
Posted by luftwaffle on Friday, October 1, 2010 3:15 PM

Hey guys have been out of the loop for about a month and just got caught up on all the great work, really great stuff!  Makes me wish I had time to do another.

aka Mike, The Mikester My Website

"He has all the virtues I dislike and none of the vices I admire."   -Winston Churchill

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  • From: South Central Wisconsin
Posted by Daywalker on Friday, October 1, 2010 10:45 AM

Mike-

Bummer about those stencils mate!  I usually tend to not apply most of them on my builds, as most photos I see of late war Luftwaffe birds seem to have so much field-applied paint that they almost appear devoid of most stencils.  Perhaps the ground crews felt they didn't need them all anymore?  Just a thought...

On the spiral decal, I remember a while back seeing one where the spinner backplate was from a different aircraft, and the spiral on the forward portion was broken by the prop blade recess, and the backplate did not have the spiral added.  Therefore, it looked as though the spiral ended at the prop blade recess.  I have looked through my photos, but didn't find it.  I shall keep looking!

In the meantime, looking at photos of the F-8 at the NASM here in the US, and the D-13, both appear to have the same style of spiral as you mention.  Not 100% on their accuracy, but from what I have read, they have both been restored as close to original as possible.  Have a look!

Frank 

 

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Posted by bondoman on Friday, October 1, 2010 10:43 AM

I wish I could mask that well. Julzy, great looking. I say if the decal gods aren't on your side for a particular model, leave em off.

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Posted by simpilot34 on Friday, October 1, 2010 8:54 AM

Julez she taking on her own personality, really looking good mate!!!!Toast

Cheers, Lt. Cmdr. Richie "To be prepared for war, is one of the most effectual means of preserving the peace."-George Washington
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Posted by Thunderbolt379 on Friday, October 1, 2010 8:47 AM

Hi all,

Progress pics, as promised. Today I finished applying the decals (big wing crosses), got around the detail painting (running lights, trim tabs, guns) and applied the panel wash. Together these jobs took quite a while, with the wash needing two or three applications in difficult spots. Here and there are tiny bits that still need cleanup, such as the lower edge of the gun cover. Here she is at this stage:

 

And with the canopy finally unmasked:

 

 

I'll probably be dabbing and wiping at the finish until she goes in the display case, that's the nature of the beast. There's always a job left over when the model is ostensibly finished and this one is going to be stencil data. The kit-supplied stencil data was on a second, small decal sheet along with the green SG2 markings, and they were not up to the standard of the main sheet, which was in turn not up to the standard of commercial decals. One of the big double chevrons needed multiple applications of both Set and Sol as it developed some rather strange wrinkles that took a lot of coaxing to lie down. One of the wing crosses developed a similar effect -- maybe the two chemistries are coming into contact? Fortunately they both lay down satisfactorily in the end.

The stencils have tended to be very visible, with carrier film that was too shiny and was coated with Micro Flat to combat this, but which subsequently don't stick very well, curl up at the edges and go brittle. I did not bother with the wing walkways, they would be a disaster, and will probably remove a bunch of items and replace them with an Aeromaster set (148010) -- if I can find them. I thought I had no more to do than go to Squadron and drop them in the cart, but they're not in stock, nor can I find them in stock anywhere else. Why take a product like that out of production? There is never enough stencil data on a main sheet to cater to all subjects, so the mini-sheets of stencils are a necessity.

My next fiddly job is the last main decal, the spiralschnauze. I've been looking at spirals and the way they're meant to be applied, and on all the Aeromaster sheets it appears the spiral's base lies flush with the juncture between the spinner cone and the backing plate. Many spirals are made with a tapered base edge to lie flat against that juncture but the one in the kit is square-ended. Dose this mean it buts up against a prop blade apperture? I'll do a bit more research before I dip that decal, and any tips would be most appreciated.

The landing gear can be assembled, just the hydrualics to paint chrome silver, and I can begin the weathering process. I'm planning some fuel streaks on the droptank, dust on the landing gear, gun carbon and exhaust stains, plus metal chips where appropriate.

I'm hoping to have her finished this weekend, so look for gallery shots in a couple of days (famous last words...!).

Cheers, Mike/TB379

http://worldinminiature.blogspot.com/

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Posted by simpilot34 on Friday, October 1, 2010 8:47 AM

Julez72

 bondoman:

Ritchie, might wanna rethink the whole pot of coffee thing...

 

LMAOBig Smile

Big Smile oopsies LMAO

Cheers, Lt. Cmdr. Richie "To be prepared for war, is one of the most effectual means of preserving the peace."-George Washington
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Posted by Julez72 on Friday, October 1, 2010 2:10 AM

maxfax

Julez: Can't keep away from the NMF?! Looks superb!

Rob

I know, it's terrible isn't itEmbarrassed

I started on the uppersurface camo, there are 5 RLM colours on the uppersurface of this one but i should have the paintwork done in a week or soYes

 

 

 

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Posted by Julez72 on Friday, October 1, 2010 2:04 AM

bondoman

Ritchie, might wanna rethink the whole pot of coffee thing...

LMAOBig Smile

 

 

 

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  • From: Truro Nova Scotia, Canada
Posted by SuppressionFire on Thursday, September 30, 2010 5:27 AM

Daywalker,

I see the deadline quickly approaching and must admit my F-8 is still in the box. My modeling ambitions for the summer / fall 2010 were a tad high as a new job, side jobs and less time at the hobby bench have me behind schedule.

That being said unless there is a carry over or time extension to the GB I will have to back out. Indifferent

To add insult to injury Edward has just released their weekend edition of the F-8! Just what I originally needed for my 'Canadianized' version. 

Interestingly enough I see past GB's still popping up on the main page, when I get the F-8 out of the cardboard hangar & on the bench I will post the WIP's here.

Yet knowing the extra ordinance has gone to a good home and possibly on another award winning model is all good!Toast

Thanks for understanding & hosting the excellent GB!

Jason

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Posted by Thunderbolt379 on Thursday, September 30, 2010 3:51 AM

Hi all,

Decals are nearly done and I'm pretty disgusted with the stencil data. This is an earlier Tamiya release and they didn't have Cartograf do them at this stage... It was presented on a separate small sheet from the big stuff and was very glossy, so I coated it with Micro Flat to cut the shine, but their carrier film and glue are not up to speed. I'm seriously thinking of replacing them with Aeromaster 190 stencil data, which I was sure I had in stock but can't find, so will have to order in. I can probably source stencils from an Aeromaster sheet and replace them on future subjects from the special data sheet.

Right now I have only the main wing crosses to apply, plus the wing stencils, then I can get on with the panel wash. Oh, and the spinner spiral too! Fortunately that's on the larger sheet whiich might behave better...

Pic later on, possibly with the crosses on.

Cheers, Mike/TB379

http://worldinminiature.blogspot.com/

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Posted by bondoman on Thursday, September 30, 2010 1:01 AM

Ritchie, might wanna rethink the whole pot of coffee thing...

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Posted by simpilot34 on Thursday, September 30, 2010 12:45 AM

Mike, looks like you have made a nice recovery!!!! She's looking good!!!Toast

Cheers, Lt. Cmdr. Richie "To be prepared for war, is one of the most effectual means of preserving the peace."-George Washington
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Posted by simpilot34 on Thursday, September 30, 2010 12:45 AM

Mike, looks like you have made a nice recovery!!!! She's looking good!!!Toast

Cheers, Lt. Cmdr. Richie "To be prepared for war, is one of the most effectual means of preserving the peace."-George Washington
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Posted by simpilot34 on Thursday, September 30, 2010 12:45 AM

Mike, looks like you have made a nice recovery!!!! She's looking good!!!Toast

Cheers, Lt. Cmdr. Richie "To be prepared for war, is one of the most effectual means of preserving the peace."-George Washington
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Posted by eptingmike on Wednesday, September 29, 2010 11:09 PM

Hello all,

I managed to get in a little work over the weekend and tonight.  For starters I primed....and nearly cried!  I got the dreaded fuzzies all over the darn thing!  I am sure that it was just too hot and I wasn't cautious enough, but I would rather blame the cheap-o primer instead as it makes me feel better.  The kit immediately went into the 'bath' meaning a tub of Castrol Super Clean.  Managed to get the bulk of the primer off but it remained in patches, and as the CSC was getting into the cockpit, I called it good enough and did a nice and thorough rinse in some soapy water.  Grabbed a new can of primer which went on nice enough.  I am glad that I find trouble shooting and damage control part of the enjoyable side of model making experience or I would have just thrown the &%^#!! thing against a wall and just called it a day.Stick out tongue

Next up I did a bit of pre-shading, using my favorite color for this:  Delta Ceramcoat Charcoal.  It is such a nice gray and generally sprays pretty well.  Next up was the yellow for the....yellow bits! Tomorrow I am hoping to get the RLM 2 into the wheel wells and on the landing gear.  With a bit of luck I may even start getting into the bulk of the painting.  I am planning on doing a 190 from the In Defense of the Reich Part 1 decal set.

I am doing the third one down.

Here are a few more WIP pics:

Hope you enjoy the pics!

Mike

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