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FW-190 Reich Defender III 5/10-2/11

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Posted by Daywalker on Sunday, August 1, 2010 9:03 AM

Guy- Ahhh... mucho better.  The new photos are a vast improvement. 

Steve- From the photos, your work is looking good there.  I see you have the right idea on the fuselage mottle, and nothing wrong with the higher air pressure.  Which kit is this?  Since you are posting some WIP photos, why not join the GB?  You've already met the criteria.  Sometimes, depending on the effect I am after, I will do the same thing. Richie is right, a little something added to the Future to help ease the surface tension will go a long way to a smooth finish.  I usually add a drop or two of liquid dish soap, but I think I will try Richie's idea about the windex to help it level out more.  Thanks Richie!

 

Frank 

 

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Posted by luftwaffle on Sunday, August 1, 2010 8:27 AM

simpilot34

Mike that is some stunning work with masks my friend!!!!Toast Is the swastika painted as well!!!??? How did you get the fine white outline????

Richie- It's a two part mask, put the large outline of the swastika down and paint it white, then apply a think mask for the white and paint the remainder of the interior black.  Everything is pre-cut so all  you have to do is get them aligned properly, easier said than done.

Luftwoller

Mike thats just gorgeous mate. Ive never tried those montex masks but ive heard great things about them though. Seeing yours make me want to try them. I take it your building 'Black 8' in your sig?

...Guy

Guy, yeah it will be "Black 8".  The 8 and the winkels will come from an Eagle Strike decal sheet.  I learned a few tricks with these, next time I think I'll do the markings first and leave the masks in place and remove them after the painting is done rather than applying them over the top of the paint.

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Posted by jmabx on Sunday, August 1, 2010 7:15 AM

chewybr - I had the same problem with my Tamiya kit. Huge gaps at the wing root. I ended up pulling the wings up by running a piece of tape from one wing to the other to bring them up enough so that the gap at the root closed. Run some liquid cement in the seem and let it dry overnight before removing the tape. My wings might have more dehidral than they should but I didn't feel like filling gaps!

Mike - Nice paint work!!! I really love your mottling!

Jeremy    Propeller

    

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Posted by Luftwoller on Sunday, August 1, 2010 3:14 AM

Mike thats just gorgeous mate. Ive never tried those montex masks but ive heard great things about them though. Seeing yours make me want to try them. I take it your building 'Black 8' in your sig?

...Guy

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Posted by simpilot34 on Sunday, August 1, 2010 1:36 AM

Mike that is some stunning work with masks my friend!!!!Toast Is the swastika painted as well!!!??? How did you get the fine white outline????

Cheers, Lt. Cmdr. Richie "To be prepared for war, is one of the most effectual means of preserving the peace."-George Washington
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Posted by luftwaffle on Saturday, July 31, 2010 10:43 PM

OK, I really have been plugging along here but this one has been a comedy of errors, more touch up painting than I have ever done in my life.  All the markings you see here are painted on using Montex masks.  Conspicuous by their absence are the tactical number and IV. Gruppe winkel.  The numbers did not come out right so I'll be using a decal.  The IV. Gruppe winkels were applied and afterwards I realized that they were not a mirror image of each other as they should have been, the masks were identical so the starboard side was backwards,....so sand off and repaint white fuselage band.  The large amount of touch ups were due in large part to me be careless with overspray using the masks.  These things give good results but you really have to be meticulous when you apply them.

Here's some detail on the exhausts, Hasegawa provides some solid stubs for these.  I used some aluminum tubing crimped down to an oval shape for the port and starboard exhaust stacks and drilled out the lower stacks.

 

 

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Posted by simpilot34 on Saturday, July 31, 2010 8:20 PM

Stumpy, I would put a few coats of future on. I usually do this over a day or two. Put a good base coat and then let it dry thouroughlly and then come back with a bit heavier coat and then let that dry thouroughlly as well. Straight or dilluted?? Hmmm well I have tried both but honestly have better results when dilluted just a tad with a few drops of Windex. Just makes it flow a bit better and settle down nicely by breaking up the surface tension that much more. Makes for smoother coats. HTH!!Yes Btw the mottling looks great!!!Toast

Benz, thats some very nice fitting work!!! Coming along fine!!!Toast

Cheers, Lt. Cmdr. Richie "To be prepared for war, is one of the most effectual means of preserving the peace."-George Washington
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Posted by soulcrusher on Saturday, July 31, 2010 6:33 PM

chewybr

has anyone had fitting issuse's with the tamiya 1:48 fw190 d9 jv44. where the fuselage and wings connect. Im going to have to putty and sand it out. its not sitting flush

I build that exact kit a couple of years ago. I pulled it out of the display case to have a look at it and it does appear that I did use a bit of filler at the top seam. Not alot just a little sanding to even it out.

SoulcrusherPirate

 

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Posted by Clebode on Saturday, July 31, 2010 6:00 PM

Benzdoz--And I thought that I sweated the little things!!  Very impressive thinking and fitting work. 

Guy--Magnificent as usual.    I copied your your idea to put ribs on the cowl cover on my D-13.  I hope you don't mind the theft of your intelletual property.  Whistling

Stump--the mottling looks fine.  Remember, field applied camo was not perfect.

Hugh

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Posted by benzdoc on Saturday, July 31, 2010 5:27 PM

Hello Everyone!

After seeing the work put up in the last few days, I feel a bit silly for what I'm about to show. But, more importantly, you guys are great! What beautiful modeling. I'm learning a lot during this group build - so thank you for that!!

I'm going on the road again tomorrow for two weeks, so I wanted to sneak in some modeling. About all I could really tackle was the supercharger intake on the D9 - I remember one of the earlier posts saying that although Eduard kits are usually really good fitting, this part is not their best work. And, now that I've dealt with it, that was a correct appraisal. Here's what it looked like being held in place:

One more angle:

You can see how thick the mating flange is in this shot:

So, I thinned down the flange, but even at that it seemed that the outside diameter of the intake (or inside diameter of the recess) was not big enough. So I scraped around the inside of the recess, and also sanded down the outside of the intake till it looked good. Here's what I ended up with:

Now that it fit well, I was trying to decide how to mount it in a very clean way. I decided to drill holes in the recess so I could use the best adhesive for plastic, liquid cement. I love how it welds the two parts together. It's a lot harder for me to break it off than other adhesives... So here's the recess prior to joining the parts:

So the plan was to hold the intake in place, and feed in liquid cement from the inside. Here are the results:

Since this was me doing the work, of course there had to be a problem:

As you can see, some cement got outside on the lower rear 'corner' - ugh. So I'll have to clean it up a bit. Also, you might have noticed that, although it never showed in dry fitting, the top seam seems to be lower then the surrounding area - not at all like the Dora at the Air Force Museum:

Oh well, that's me. For all of the effort and time I put into this part, it's still not quite right. 

So, now I have to put everything away and pack my suitcase for a two week business trip. I'm looking forward to getting back and doing more on this beauty (of a kit and subject, that is)

Best regards,

Mike

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Posted by Stumpjumper70 on Saturday, July 31, 2010 5:12 PM

Thanks LW! I chose the camera angles carefully! OK, to the Future. Would you say diluted or straight? A single coat or build up several?

Steve

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Posted by chewybr on Saturday, July 31, 2010 4:09 PM

has anyone had fitting issuse's with the tamiya 1:48 fw190 d9 jv44. where the fuselage and wings connect. Im going to have to putty and sand it out. its not sitting flush

-Matt

 

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Posted by Luftwoller on Saturday, July 31, 2010 2:50 PM

Looks damn fine from here Stumpy. What id do next is get your clear coat on and decal the beast. That way when you wether it, you wether the whole plane, decals and all.

The clear coat will make the decals sit down nicely without silvering (Where the clear bits of the decal go shiney due to sitting on rough textured paint) The clear coat also protects the paint against the effects of the wethering. The 2 choices i use for a clear coat is either 'Future floor polish' or Tamiya clear. Any other questions, lets have em,

...Guy

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Posted by Stumpjumper70 on Saturday, July 31, 2010 2:38 PM

Heh, am almost tempted not to post this, having seen those pics Luftowoller. Anyway, you guys took the time to help me last week so here are some pics of where I'm at. The mottling is MUCH better but still needs refining, however the tips you all gave me (especially thinning the pain even more) have given me much more control over the airbrush. The desk was also covered in A4 sheets with varying grey stripes and practice dot patterns for a while! Oddly enough, I found the detailed work much easier to control at around 20 psi. Under 10psi just created too much mess. 

This project is very much about learning and trying new stuff so there are tonnes of mistakes on it (filling and sanding - ouch) but I will hopefully avoid them next time. 

What would you guys recommend I do next and what kinds of weathering techniques should I try? I can risk messing it up cos I gotta learn somewhere so would appreciate some guidance on how to bring the model alive. Well, you know what I mean..!

 

Cheers all.

Next up:

Trumpeter 1/32 Me109E-3

Dragon 1/32 Bf110C-7

Wingnutwings 1/32 Bristol F2B 

 

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Posted by razordws on Saturday, July 31, 2010 11:39 AM

Thanks everyone for your kind words on my build.  Decals did not show up in the mail yesterday (Boooo!) so I'm limited to what I can do this weekend on it.  I was hoping to get it close to finished.

Guy you modeling God you.  Three 190's and all of them Beauts!!!  Bow DownBow DownBow Down  Your Ace and I wish I was your son.

Dave

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Posted by Luftwoller on Saturday, July 31, 2010 11:13 AM

Me again, Ive redone a few pics, using a custom white balance and the pictures are greatly improved, IMO,

You may also notice i remembered to put the Morane ariel on LOL,

...Guy

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Posted by Luftwoller on Saturday, July 31, 2010 10:20 AM

You guys are the best. Do great things to my ego LOL. Dont know if thats a good thing or bad? In my stash i have the Eduard (Those again) D-11/ 13 combo, a Royal class 190A, so thats 4 kits isnt it? Im not saying no to another but i have a couple of other commitments, model wise, to do 1st.

The 1st is the Braille scale beasty. Its a Heller Fouga Majister. If you dont know what one of these is, go check it out. It has to be my 2nd favourite jet. Guess the favourite.

The 2nd commitment is a couple of Wildcats (Eduard again lol) for my model club. A guest from the 'Friends of the New forest Airfields Association' Brought a shed load of kits, each with ties to the New forest airfields. Why i chose 2 to do, god knows. LOL But the deadline is the 1st wednesday in December so theres plenty of time.

If your not familier with the New forest. Throughout the War the Forest was littered with airfields used by America and Britain for flying bombing missions and fighter sorties. The New forest is right on the South Coast and fairly close to where i live.

...Guy

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Posted by luftwaffle on Saturday, July 31, 2010 10:07 AM

Guy- Just superb craftsmanship, great looking bird!!!

Dave- Paint looks great, I may have to do a 1/72 project to put my new airbrush through it's paces.

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Posted by simpilot34 on Friday, July 30, 2010 11:24 PM

Guy that is a stunning build mate yet again!!!!! Your standards of finish are top notch!!!Toast Am looking forward to seeing your 1/72 entry!!! What, tomorrow??Propeller I think braille scale would be 144!!!

Cheers, Lt. Cmdr. Richie "To be prepared for war, is one of the most effectual means of preserving the peace."-George Washington
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Posted by nomad68 on Friday, July 30, 2010 11:04 PM

Dave Nice work 1/72 is my fav scale and you are doin great Yes

Guy You are a machine!  I love your latest what a good looking plane  Big Smile  I think that is one of my favorite colors RLM 84. What do you use for the paint chipping? it is subtle and adds interest to the plane. Guy I have totaly enjoyed watching your work and look forward to see more.

Damon

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Posted by soulcrusher on Friday, July 30, 2010 8:30 PM

Nice paint work there dave and in 1/72 scale. Very impessive.

Guy is done agian? No surprise there! She looks good all opened up Guy. That is a sweet collection of 190's you have there. A 1/24 Stuka? I have one of thoses built up tieing up a huge space on the top of my bookshelf. The old Airfix kit build up great and the fit and detail is top notch. Just make sure you have some where to put it because it is huge!

SoulcrusherPirate

 

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Posted by Daywalker on Friday, July 30, 2010 8:06 PM

Dave- Once again your mastery of the airbrush is apparent!  Such fine mottles in 1/72 must take a REALLY steady hand!

Guy- What the?  Number three is done already?  I'm starting to think you already have these built up and are just showing the photos now LOL!!!  Excellent work, love those rare big-tail Doras.  Which one are you going to build next? Wink

Frank 

 

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Posted by Thunderbolt379 on Friday, July 30, 2010 7:36 PM

Guy -- these builds are so very good in so very many ways! Damn, you gone done and raised the bar agin, dude! WOW!

M/TB379

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Posted by jmabx on Friday, July 30, 2010 5:02 PM

Love the paint work Dave! The nonstandard paint jobs look great on these birds! Yes

Guy - You're a freakin' maniac!!! Big Smile  You're going to pull the title for fast building from his Aaronliness if you keep at it! I love the big tail and the underside colors. Nice lineup pic too!

You're ace and I wish I was your son! Bow Down

Jeremy    Propeller

    

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Posted by Luftwoller on Friday, July 30, 2010 4:55 PM

I may well rag you a bit but guess what scale my next buildski is? Yuppers Braille scale!!! And me with my fat fingys.

Anyhoo, after what seems an eternity, Ive finished the 'Big Tail. One of the 4 known photograped Ta 152 tailed Doras, Yellow 6. I love these planes, and if i find a 1/24 Stuka in the near future,(For swapsees) i may build another. Pics,

...and all the girls together,

...Guy

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Posted by simpilot34 on Friday, July 30, 2010 11:50 AM

Luftwoller

Dave great fantastic looking paint, even if you are working in that rediculous scale Whistling LOL,

I BEG your pardon!!!!!! I resemble that remark LOL!!!!Propeller I would love to see a divine scale from you Guy!!! Come to the dark side my friend!!! More planes in a given space, larger planes in a given space, and..... well you get the picture. PE is a B!&$#% though lol!!!

Cheers, Lt. Cmdr. Richie "To be prepared for war, is one of the most effectual means of preserving the peace."-George Washington
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Posted by Luftwoller on Friday, July 30, 2010 10:14 AM

Dave great fantastic looking paint, even if you are working in that rediculous scale Whistling LOL,

Clebode, glad some of the advice helped. It just proves that not all the guff that comes from my mouth is best ignored. Looking forward to seeing the pics,

...Guy

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Posted by Clebode on Friday, July 30, 2010 7:36 AM

Luftwoller

Clebode, those exhaust boxes can be a mare but theres an easy way to save yourself any hassles. Just open out the slots in the firewall that goes around them. Another good tip would be to add the exhaust last. It makes painting the thing so much easier and all you have to do cut the exhaust pieces in 3. There is a recess to allign them in the box so its no biggie. Also dont forget to scratch a deflector to stop gunk going in your supercharger. Its funny as the instructions all show this piece yet Eduard didnt include it in the kit LOL,

...Guy

Guy--Unfortunately, I had already glued the exhaust outlets into the boxes before I saw this your post above.    The good news is there is a second Fw 190 D in the box and I will definitely use this trick on it. 

All--The Eduard kits I am building are the 2010 released D-11/13 dual pack.  I have followed the advice of Guy and Steve re the wing construction and the fit has been almost flawless.  This goes for the cannon bays  too.  I did have to open the notches in the fire wall and sand down the firewall circumference a bit to close the fuze halves but this was very minor surgery.  I don't know if Eduard has corrected things from the D-9 kits that caused headaches but this set should be an easy build if a little care is taken. 

Hugh

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Posted by sidure on Friday, July 30, 2010 1:14 AM

Dave, nice looking progress its looking great and caint wait till those decals arrive. It will look great with the stickers on it. One quick question for ya, what are the bumps onthe left side of the fuselage???

Steve

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Posted by razordws on Thursday, July 29, 2010 10:56 PM

Guy, Jeremy, looks like you two are cruising along.  Like the masking/shading technique Guy!  Cool

Frank, more great pics.  Cool  Sounds like my schedule is free to go to the Abbotsford airshow in a couple of weeks.  The Thunderbirds are going to be there as well as the Snowbirds but I'm totally thrilled that the Lancaster is going to be there too.  PropellerPropellerPropeller  I'll be taking lots of pics.

I'm still plugging away on my Academy 1/72 Fw 190.  Still haven't received the decals in the mail yet.  I need them before I can do the RLM 81 but in the meantime I can do the yellow rudder and nose band and finish up painting the landing gear.  Long weekend coming up too so I hope the decals come tomorrow cause I can get a lot done if they do.  Sorry for the blurry pic.

Dave

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