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  • Member since
    September 2008
  • From: Ancaster, Ontario
Posted by maxfax on Monday, June 28, 2010 8:29 AM

Nicefit, great job on the mustang! It feels great to put another on the shelf! I have just finished putting the Alclad on my Revell mustang, and I hope to start putting on a few different shades on the flaps, elevators and rudders.

Does anyone know the colour to paint the fabric covered parts(elevators/rudder)? I am assuming for a NMF plane, that silver would have been used?

I sanded off alot of the raised details (some raised panel lines and rivets) while fixing seams, and rescribed them in with a knife-it seems to look fine whether the panel is raised or ingraved. I also discovered an excellent rivet placing tool. The rivets on the Revell mustand are largely round and raised, versus a small dimple I have seen in other kits. I used the non-business end of a 22 gauge needle, removed the plastic hub, bent the sharp end, and tapped it onto the surface of the plastic using a paint bottle. It creates a nice round rivet, slightly raised in the centre. I wouldn't do a whole plane with it, but for the replacement of a few here and there, it works great. The size can be varied using different gauges.

Rob

On the bench:  Revell 1/72 HCMS Snowberry

 

 

  • Member since
    January 2010
  • From: Nebraska, USA
Posted by CallSignOWL on Monday, June 28, 2010 7:39 AM

thank you for the offer Julez, but I was able to order decals I wanted yesterday.

Glad you guys liked all the pictures, I had a blast running all over the Museum. If any of you are in Nebraska, you should definitely check it out!

OWL

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  • From: NJ
Posted by JMart on Monday, June 28, 2010 6:24 AM

Here are some links I have accumulated regarding seam work:

 

http://www.aircraftresourcecenter.com/tnt1/001-100/TNT068_gluing_Wilder/tnt068.htm

 

http://www.aircraftresourcecenter.com/tnt1/001-100/TNT066_filling_with_plastic/tnt066.htm

 

http://www.aircraftresourcecenter.com/tnt1/001-100/TNT029_Filler_WO_Sanding/tnt029.htm

 

http://www.modelshipwrights.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=Sections&file=index&req=viewarticle&artid=2078

 

This is the one I have used with success (from Swanny’s):

http://www.swannysmodels.com/Seams.html

 

Finally, Gerald wrote a great seam tutorial in here (FSM):

/forums/p/90330/882350.aspx#882350

 

 

 

NiceFit – Thanks for taking the time for your write up and congrats on the finish! Looks very good, much better than the one I made couple years ago (see Sig ). Do you have a Michaels’ craft shop near you? They carry a very limited selection of Revell kits, including this one…with their 50% coupons, you can get the kit for 6-8$, can’t beat that!

 

Hope my current Revell builds come out half as good!

 

 

Owl – great pics, thanks for sharing! And Ditto, nice surprise to see an actual Goblin! I know Aeromaster makes P-51D decal sets of Yellow, Blue and Green nose P51Ds. Squadron usually has some of them on sale each month. Depends which one you want in particular. Tamiya re-released their P-51B “Blue Nose” with a figure and new Cartograph decals: http://www.greatmodels.com/~smartcart/cgi/display.cgi?item_num=TAM92216

 

Vetteman – I have a Michaels basically within biking distance (pedal bike type ;) I get the weekly 40-50% off coupon and go shopping to my “LHS” (Michaels). I basically have almost all the Revell kits they sell, also get my Winsdor oil paints there, markers, blades, thin wire (floral section), cheap solder, I mean, you name it, they have it….

 

 

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  • From: Brisbane
Posted by Julez72 on Monday, June 28, 2010 2:57 AM

Randy, looking forward too seein that eagle come together.....Don't you hate it when you get inspired by other forum membersDevil

Nicefit, very cool choice for a second buildYes i like itToast

Owl looking forward too seeing another Pony on the front pageYes BTW drop me a PM if you can't get decals for your kit, i have 3 sets of Tamiya decals for Petie 2nd with a blue nose....

 

 

 

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Posted by simpilot34 on Sunday, June 27, 2010 10:03 PM

stikpusher

 vetteman42:

Stikpusher and Simpilot you were successful in your endeavors to find a victim with the pictures of the NMF F-15, so its your fault. Angry I had a 40% coupon for Michaels and had to go shopping for a model. Well low and behold there all nice and shiny and on the shelf  was a Revell F-15C Strike Eagle calling to me in  soft whispers, " Buy me and build me, I am the last one, you know you want to, I will give you many hours of pleasure, I promise I will "   I became so seduced by the soft whisper that the next thing I remember was walking across the parking lot with a box held tightly in my hands. Upon looking down I saw the F-15 had won and was going home with me. So with your permission I would like to change the P-51D I was gonna build to the F-15. Geeze 

PS Got it for 12 bucks with my coupon Propeller

 

MuhahahahahahahahahahahahahaDevil

DittoWhistling Hope you have plenty of referance material Randy!!!! Remember the Streak Eagle was one of the prototypes or at least a pre-production model. Which means more than likely it will have the short speed brake. Plus other minor changes. I can't wait to see this one come together!!!!!!! GO EAGLES!!!!!

Cheers, Lt. Cmdr. Richie "To be prepared for war, is one of the most effectual means of preserving the peace."-George Washington
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  • From: Sonora Desert
Posted by stikpusher on Sunday, June 27, 2010 4:29 PM

vetteman42

Stikpusher and Simpilot you were successful in your endeavors to find a victim with the pictures of the NMF F-15, so its your fault. Angry I had a 40% coupon for Michaels and had to go shopping for a model. Well low and behold there all nice and shiny and on the shelf  was a Revell F-15C Strike Eagle calling to me in  soft whispers, " Buy me and build me, I am the last one, you know you want to, I will give you many hours of pleasure, I promise I will "   I became so seduced by the soft whisper that the next thing I remember was walking across the parking lot with a box held tightly in my hands. Upon looking down I saw the F-15 had won and was going home with me. So with your permission I would like to change the P-51D I was gonna build to the F-15. Geeze 

PS Got it for 12 bucks with my coupon Propeller

MuhahahahahahahahahahahahahaDevil

 

F is for FIRE, That burns down the whole town!

U is for URANIUM... BOMBS!

N is for NO SURVIVORS...

       - Plankton

LSM

 

  • Member since
    January 2009
  • From: Dallas, Texas
Posted by NiceFit on Sunday, June 27, 2010 3:29 PM

soulcrusher, simpilot, gamer, raptordriver, julep, vetteman, Thank you all for your comments on my build and my write-up. It seems there's a number of P-51 builds going on and I can't wait to see the results. You guys are pros!

On to my next NMF build:

Respectfully, Dobby

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    July 2008
  • From: USA California
Posted by vetteman42 on Sunday, June 27, 2010 1:44 PM

CallSignOwl Done your build is added. Thats a fun one to build I still have 3 of them waiting in the closet.

Randy So many to build.......So little time

  • Member since
    January 2010
  • From: Nebraska, USA
Posted by CallSignOWL on Sunday, June 27, 2010 12:34 PM

sure Vetteman, the mustang is a D model.   it has the raised panel lines.

thanks for the link RaptorDriver!

OWL

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    July 2008
  • From: USA California
Posted by vetteman42 on Sunday, June 27, 2010 11:42 AM

Hey Raptordriver hows things goin buddy ?

CallSignOwl what another Mustang build ???? Stick out tongue One can never have tooooo many Mustangs ya know, of course you may add a Mustang. What model is it the D or B/C ? I have the retooled Revell P-51B/C on the bench almost finished, the kit has improved a bunch but still has a few problems. Anyway let me know which model 51 it is and I will add it to the roster.

Stikpusher and Simpilot you were successful in your endeavors to find a victim with the pictures of the NMF F-15, so its your fault. Angry I had a 40% coupon for Michaels and had to go shopping for a model. Well low and behold there all nice and shiny and on the shelf  was a Revell F-15C Strike Eagle calling to me in  soft whispers, " Buy me and build me, I am the last one, you know you want to, I will give you many hours of pleasure, I promise I will "   I became so seduced by the soft whisper that the next thing I remember was walking across the parking lot with a box held tightly in my hands. Upon looking down I saw the F-15 had won and was going home with me. So with your permission I would like to change the P-51D I was gonna build to the F-15. Geeze

 

PS Got it for 12 bucks with my coupon Propeller

Randy So many to build.......So little time

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  • From: From Vernal UT OH YEA!!
Posted by raptordriver on Sunday, June 27, 2010 10:33 AM

Hey OWL,

I bet Vetteman will let you add another plane.

here is a link that might help you with your mustang.

http://www.squadron.com/SearchResults.asp?offset=0

 

Andrew

 

 

  • Member since
    January 2010
  • From: Nebraska, USA
Posted by CallSignOWL on Sunday, June 27, 2010 10:18 AM

hey, I was wondering if I could add another plane?  I've been getting pressure to build a P-51 for my aunt (who is a pilot and has gotten me airplane stuff since I can remember, and who loves P-51s).  She likes the Blue nose Mustangs the best, so I wanted to get started on it.

I have the Revell/Monogram 1/48 scale Mustang. Can I add it to the list?  I still do want to get my B-47 done.

Do you guys know where I can get decals for the Blue nose mustangs?  would Squadron or SprueBros have them?

Thanks,

OWL

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  • Member since
    March 2006
Posted by simpilot34 on Saturday, June 26, 2010 11:03 PM

Owl, thanks for the pics!!!!! REALLY REALLY COOL!!!!!!! Gamera there is another Goblin at the USAF Museum, if that isn't the one there in the pic Owl shows. Museums lone each other stuff all the time. If not, to know there are at least 2 of'em is good news. A rare pic of a B-45 Tornado as well.

Raptor, what would really be cool is if you foiled that bit of cowl on her then did the circle-burnish finish with some 0000 steel wool or a viry tiny bit of very fine emery. Looking forward to seeing your progress!!!!

Cheers, Lt. Cmdr. Richie "To be prepared for war, is one of the most effectual means of preserving the peace."-George Washington
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  • From: From Vernal UT OH YEA!!
Posted by raptordriver on Saturday, June 26, 2010 9:38 PM

023-1.jpg Spirit of St. Louis picture by Raptor94

 Just started on this Revell kit, not much probably a waste of picture, but we are supposed to post WIP right? I am going to put gloss black on the cowl(the only metal on the plane). I have been watching the masters here, and have learned many things. Thanks for posting, it teaches amateurs like me.Smile

Andrew

 

 

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  • From: Brisbane
Posted by Julez72 on Saturday, June 26, 2010 9:27 PM

Nicefit, very cool Mustang well doneYesYesYes Boy i bet it must be a relief to get her done....

Crusher, mate i think i have found my niche with NMF so i would like to try as many products as possible to see which i like the best....And yeah the alclad really is fume heavy so i amlooking forward to useing the talon paints.....Hope i get a finish like yours....

Owl, Very nice pics, thanks for sharing emYes

 

 

 

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  • From: From Vernal UT OH YEA!!
Posted by raptordriver on Saturday, June 26, 2010 6:22 PM

Hello fellow natural metal finishers!

Sorry I haven't posted for along time, but I have been watching the progress.

Nicefit- that is an awesome Mustang!

Anyway I will see if I can post some pics tonight. Smile

Andrew

 

 

  • Member since
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  • From: SW Virginia
Posted by Gamera on Saturday, June 26, 2010 6:10 PM

Wow Owl! Great pics. I didn't even know there was a Goblin still in existence.

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

  • Member since
    January 2010
  • From: Nebraska, USA
Posted by CallSignOWL on Saturday, June 26, 2010 4:39 PM

SAC Museum part 2:

and you can bet your bottom dollar that I crawled all over the B-47 they had there!

OWL

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  • Member since
    January 2010
  • From: Nebraska, USA
Posted by CallSignOWL on Saturday, June 26, 2010 4:33 PM

I have not been able to get work done on my B-47 yet, but I hope this pictures might inspire you!

I went to the SAC Museum for my birthday, and as I took these, thought of you guys. Enjoy!

WARNING! PIC HEAVY!!!

OWL

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  • Member since
    November 2009
  • From: SW Virginia
Posted by Gamera on Saturday, June 26, 2010 8:45 AM

Nicefit: wow after all the trouble you ended up with astonding results. She's one of the best looking P-51s I've seen in a long time.

Kudos sir!

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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Posted by simpilot34 on Friday, June 25, 2010 9:01 PM

NiceFit that is a beautiful recovery!!!! WELL DONE mate!!!Toast

Cheers, Lt. Cmdr. Richie "To be prepared for war, is one of the most effectual means of preserving the peace."-George Washington
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  • From: back seat of your car with duct tape streched out
Posted by soulcrusher on Friday, June 25, 2010 7:10 PM

Gamera using silver paint as a seam checker is an old trick that I am sure alot of the other boys use to. It really makes spoting the ugly areas a breeze. The same reason any little imperfection shows up on the NMF planes. My NMF build are not perfect but I have found the Talon paints are the most forgiving and easiest to repair so I end up with alot less ulgy spots in the end.

Julez it seems like I have sold a couple of you guys on the Talon paints. I guess my work must look pretty good in my posts!? Alclad is a good product also but I try and stay away from it strickly due to the fumes. I prefer to work and paint in the bedroom in the summer because of the air conditioning so the lack of fumes are one of the greatest things about the Talon paints.

SoulcrusherPirate

 

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  • From: back seat of your car with duct tape streched out
Posted by soulcrusher on Friday, June 25, 2010 6:52 PM

Well done NiceFit and great write up of how you went about building it. Sharing some of the smallest building info can be extremely helpfull to other and especially those newer to the hobby. The subject matter is preety cool too.

In reguard to the sanding sticks I would get a couple of the course sticks and one each of the medium fine and extra fine sticks. Also the next time you are in your local Walmart or any ohter similar store make a stop in the cosemetic section and find the nail polish section. Among the many types of fingernail files you can find a stick that should be called a polishing stick. They have three more even finer grades and a polishing side that are very usefull and inexpensive. You can actually repair scratched canopies with these or get that extra smooth finish on a seem repair so when you spray that NMF you will not see the fine sanding marks.

SoulcrusherPirate

 

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  • From: USA California
Posted by vetteman42 on Friday, June 25, 2010 6:39 PM

Embarrassed Thanks Nicefit you guys do keep me busy with all the building going on here, actually its easy though because I really enjoy watching them all. Hard to believe its been a bit less than 2 months and there are 7 completed builds on the front page. My hat is off to you guys.

Hey the Badge looks good on you Smile

Your finished picture is now posted on the front page where it should be. Again very well done my friend.

Randy So many to build.......So little time

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  • From: Dallas, Texas
Posted by NiceFit on Friday, June 25, 2010 5:53 PM

vetteman, You always have the nicest things to say and it's very encouraging, especially when a nightmare build is at hand. Needless to say, you make a GREAT group build moderator. I don't know how you manage to track all these posts and make thoughtful replies. OUTSTANDING! YesYesBeer

I got my shiny badge in place, don't ya see...

Respectfully, Dobby

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  • From: USA California
Posted by vetteman42 on Friday, June 25, 2010 4:36 PM

Nicefit I wish to thank you for your write up on your build, I have learned from your trials with this build and I am sure others have also. Believe me when I say I feel your pain with nightmare builds where everything seems to go wrong. Call me strange but these builds are the ones I am proudest of upon completion. Check out my Avenger in the Sub-Killer GB.

Now your build is fantastic Sir Bow Down and let me tell you, you should be very proud of her, I love the markings and the color scheme. I have commented on the red stripe you did a fine job on and the spinner as well and well the whole build. Being able to take one of the old kits and make it look this good does indeed take an artist with a lot of, shall we say fortitude, believe me, you have both talents. If you don't mind I have chosen picture #2 for the front page, it really shows off Miss Marilyn II beautifully IMHO.

CONGRATULATIONS ON A GREAT BUILD  YesYesToast

Oh Nicefit to get the badge you need to copy it to your computer then post it to photobucket. From there you can include it in your signature by editing your profile here on FSM.

Randy So many to build.......So little time

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  • From: Dallas, Texas
Posted by NiceFit on Friday, June 25, 2010 2:04 PM

1/48 Revell P-51D Mustang "Postmortem"

Scheme: P-51D, "Miss Marilyn II", 343rd FS, 55th FG, Wormingford, Northants, UK

Colors used:

  • NMF base coat: Model Master Flat Black (#1149), over-coated with Future
  • NMF: Alclad Aluminum (#101) with Dark Aluminum (#103) highlights
  • Green: Model Master Euro Dark Green enamel (#1764)
  • Yellow: Model Master Gelb RLM 04 enamel (#2072)
  • Red: Testor Red enamel (#1103)

Started: So long ago, I can't remember.

Finished: Today!

Notes:

Overall, I was pleased with the quality of the kit, instructions and decals. I felt the kit fit together well, except perhaps for the air scoop. I would build one again, especially considering that the kit is relatively inexpensive.

I started building this kit during Phase 1 of the NMF Group Build. I was almost finished painting the fuselage when paint started to lift off areas I had masked for touch-up. I thought perhaps I had not done a good enough job removing all the Novus #2 Plastic Polish before painting. Not knowing any better, I tried to use lacquer thinner to remove some areas of paint. Unfortunately the thinner reacted with the plastic and ruined the kit. So I went to my LHS, bought a new kit, and started over.

On my second kit, I got just about as far when the same problem occurred. This time I determined the actual cause of the problem was the Alcad Aluminum not adhering to the Alclad Gloss Black Base. (I emailed Alclad and they responded that I should lightly scuff the gloss black base with 6000 micromesh or use a gray primer base coat instead. I did some test samples, however, and did not like the way the NMF looked over gray primer. A gloss black undercoat produced the best look. My solution was to use either flat black enamel or the gloss black base, then overcoat either with Future before applying the NMF.)

Anyway, I had to strip all the paint off the plane. I used Gunze Leveling Thinner (thank you Daywalker for your suggestion), which worked beautifully and did not harm the plastic. Later on, I had a few more painting and masking mishaps which caused me to strip the paint several more times. By the end, I think I used nearly half the bottle of thinner. LOL

As I was doing all the paint removal and repainting, the antenna and rear landing gear broke off. I also noticed that I had not done a sufficient job filling seams. (These mistakes become really evident in an NMF.) It was at this point that I decided to make my last attempt at painting and accept however it came out. Unfortunately, it did not come out great. Some areas of the undercoat were rough and this showed right through the NMF. Other areas seemed to attract dust and lint while I was painting. I also misapplied the starboard wing star/bar decal to the topside. I tried to cover decal with paint but the outline of the decal can still be seen and the aluminum looks very different.

I heard of a guy who used Tamiya Smoke for panel line post-shading. I did not do the panel lines, just around the flaps and engine cover. I probably shouldn't have done the later.

Anyway, I point these things out, not to knock my work, but to simply explain why the plane looks the way it does and why it took so long to complete. Despite the setbacks, I've learned a lot from this experience and expect my next NMF build to go much better. I plan to: 1) do a better job filling/sanding seams, including around the canopy, 2) apply the Alcad Gloss Black Base and a coat of Future for better topcoat adherence, 3) paint, then mask, highlighted panels first so I don't waste a lot of time and tape masking other areas if I were to paint the highlights last,  and 4) pray I can keep the dust and lint at bay while I airbrush. I'll be seeking tips on seam work, as I haven't quite mastered it, especially around canopies.

I hope this write-up has been useful. I welcome feedback. VetteMan, feel free to pick any photo for "finished kits" area of the group build. In the meantime, I'll re-glue the canopy to the frame as it became detached just prior to the photo shoot. I'll also figure out how to obtain the GB badge - as this is my 1st group build! :-)

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Respectfully, Dobby

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  • From: SW Virginia
Posted by Gamera on Friday, June 25, 2010 10:20 AM

SC: Hey the decals look good to me. And the finish is flawless.

I'm tempted to pick up some the Talon acrylics, if only I hadn't already invested a pile of cash in Alclad II by now.

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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  • From: Brisbane
Posted by Julez72 on Friday, June 25, 2010 3:11 AM

simpilot34

 

 vetteman42:

 

 .......oh and Simpilot isnt off the hook either. Geeze

 

 

What??????WhistlingWink Looking forward to it Randy!!!

Ditto

Can't wait to see that F-15 come together Randy.........Good choiceYes

 

 

 

  • Member since
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  • From: Sonora Desert
Posted by stikpusher on Friday, June 25, 2010 2:36 AM

vetteman42

Stikpusher you just had to go and do it huh, ya had to go and post those F-15 Eagle pictures. Now  I am having very dangerous thoughts about that aircraft and the Talon paints I just ordered. I might just hafta.......... now I can't let that thought get into my head. No I cant do it. Clown I will blame it on you if I get my hands on one of those kits ya know, oh and Simpilot isnt off the hook either. Geeze

Zip it!

 

F is for FIRE, That burns down the whole town!

U is for URANIUM... BOMBS!

N is for NO SURVIVORS...

       - Plankton

LSM

 

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