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Posted by eatthis on Friday, October 22, 2010 5:26 PM

all of the bones look immense!

 

 iv started another whiff build
in the late 90s when it became apparant that the us navy intended to retire the tomcat the uk made a bold and unusual request for a few non combat ready cats to be leased to the raf. this request was promptly turned down not to be deterred the british labour government made a bizzare but in hindsight brilliant discission and asked baroness thatcher to try to persude the us goverment to reverse the discission. she arranged what can only be described as a private air display by the legendary red arrows using 9 in service tomcats needless to say the americans were bowled over by the sight .

 6 months later thatcher manadged to not only procure a dozen f14s but was also able to persuade the americans to provide them free of charge  on the understanding that they be stripped all sensitive hardware ie radar and weapons system etc and britain agree to pay the us to rebuild the fleet from the ground up thereafter the us would service and maintain the entire fleet
when asked by journalists how she was able to get the americans to agree to such an undertaking she just grinned and said "persistance dear"
 unnofficial sources in america claim tha thatcher terrorized and bullied american diplomats to the point where they wouldve signed nearly anything so long as she promised to return to the uk!

work began in 2005 the underbelly was filled in flush all the avionics and weapon systems were removed as was the tailhook and all other non military equipment the end result was a cleaner airframe that had been reduced in weight by over 25% from the service aircraft which gives the red arrows supercats steller performance and even with a full fuel load it still has a power to weight ratio exceeding 1:1


heres the only progress pic so far

 

 

 

snow + 4wd + escessive hp = :)  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7egUIS70YM

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Posted by macattack80 on Saturday, October 23, 2010 8:47 AM

Eatthis, your new Tomcat is gonna look awesome!!  Keep up the good work!

I haven't had more than maybe an hour of bench time over the past week so I  haven't got that much done.  I did get the seams cleaned up on the upper fuselage and the engine nacelles though.  Now i gotta work on the underside.  

Kevin

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Posted by vetteman42 on Saturday, October 23, 2010 10:34 PM

Eatthis that is gonna be one colorful Tomcat, I am gonna be keeping a close eye on this one Eats

I am getting closer to starting my F-14A, the box has been calling to me and the markings I need are on the way.

Randy So many to build.......So little time

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Posted by eatthis on Sunday, October 24, 2010 3:11 AM

its kinda stalled atm as i cant find 1 of the tails doh

 

snow + 4wd + escessive hp = :)  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7egUIS70YM

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Posted by pordoi on Sunday, October 24, 2010 5:26 PM

eatthis

 iv started another whiff build 


 

Well I'm back from a week at the beach followed by a weekend Futbol Tournament for my youngest daughter's team.  An obvious missed offside call cost them their first game Super Angry which prevented the team from advancing into the competitive rounds  Crying.  Tough luck and a bitter pill to swallow for the girls.  In the consolation game, a 3 goal 2nd half brought them back to life.  So,... why is it that I'm more tired now that I'm home than when I left?... 

Eatthis:  Wow, what a story!  Really looking forward to this colorful Tomcat.  Yes

 

Don

 

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Posted by pordoi on Sunday, October 24, 2010 5:30 PM

vetteman42

I am getting closer to starting my F-14A, the box has been calling to me and the markings I need are on the way.

 

Vetteman42:  Great to hear that you're ready to start.  Can you confirm that this will be a Revell 1/48 F-14A, so that I can update the front page?  I don't think that I ever caught the kit manufacturer.  Thanks, and what markings are you planning to do?

 

Don

 

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Posted by pordoi on Sunday, October 24, 2010 5:34 PM

eatthis

its kinda stalled atm as i cant find 1 of the tails doh

 

Uh-oh!  Not again.  Weren't you missing a wheel in your 1/32 F-14 build?  And now a tail is missing for the 1/48 kit?  Maybe contact Revell for a replacement sprue or part? 

 

Don

 

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Posted by macattack80 on Sunday, October 24, 2010 5:49 PM

eatthis

its kinda stalled atm as i cant find 1 of the tails doh

That's not good.  If you already painted it red it shouldn't be that hard to find.Yes

 

Don, glad to hear that you are back from your trip safe.  I will assume all is well and you are heading to the bench.......

Kevin

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Posted by eatthis on Sunday, October 24, 2010 7:08 PM

pordoi

 

 eatthis:

 

its kinda stalled atm as i cant find 1 of the tails doh

 

 

 

Uh-oh!  Not again.  Weren't you missing a wheel in your 1/32 F-14 build?  And now a tail is missing for the 1/48 kit?  Maybe contact Revell for a replacement sprue or part? 

 

Don

 

 

yeh the 1/32 scale part wasnt in the box the 1/48 tail fin is entirely of my doing i think doh!! and no i hadnt painted it red its still black il email revell tomorow see what happens

 

snow + 4wd + escessive hp = :)  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7egUIS70YM

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Posted by pordoi on Sunday, October 24, 2010 8:28 PM

macattack80

Don, glad to hear that you are back from your trip safe.  I will assume all is well and you are heading to the bench.......

 

Yes, Toast  all is well and even though the week away was relaxing, it's good to be back home.  Have to catch up on work, but then I'm back to painting the Bone.  The plan will be continue painting the Bone.  Will be a bit slow since the enamels require  2 days to cure..  So once again, it's paint the upper side; cure for 48 hrs; paint the underside; cure for 48 hrs; then gloss coat to apple the decals.  Pics when I'm finished.

 

Don

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Posted by vetteman42 on Monday, October 25, 2010 1:14 AM

pordoi

 

 vetteman42:

 

I am getting closer to starting my F-14A, the box has been calling to me and the markings I need are on the way.

 

 

 

Vetteman42:  Great to hear that you're ready to start.  Can you confirm that this will be a Revell 1/48 F-14A, so that I can update the front page?  I don't think that I ever caught the kit manufacturer.  Thanks, and what markings are you planning to do?

 

Don

 

Pordoi Yes the kit is a 1/48 Revell F-14A Tomcat. The one I am going to build is on display at the Ronald Reagan Library. It was with VF-41 on the USS Nimitz.. Here's a picture for ya.

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The Library is only 3 miles from me so I can get lots of pictures when I need them. I went on Airforce One when I was there to and didn't know they had Tomcat  there. I saw it through the windscreen of Airforce One,  ran out like a school kid and started taking pictures. Its a bummer they wont let anyone take pictures inside of Airforce One, wasn't anything like I thought it would be. Very small inside, I thought it would have a lot more room inside.  I do have a soft spot for the mighty Tomcats and this will be the first of 3 that I plan to build by the end of 2011.

Randy So many to build.......So little time

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Posted by pordoi on Monday, October 25, 2010 12:01 PM

vetteman42

 

Pordoi Yes the kit is a 1/48 Revell F-14A Tomcat. The one I am going to build is on display at the Ronald Reagan Library. It was with VF-41 on the USS Nimitz.. Here's a picture for ya.

http://i712.photobucket.com/albums/ww122/randysmodels/F-14%20Tomcats/F-14A%20VF-41/F-14AVF-41ReganLibuary.jpg.

 

Alright!  As my 12 year old daughter would say;  "Cool Beans"    I'll update the front page.

 

Don

 

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Posted by macattack80 on Tuesday, October 26, 2010 3:38 PM

Ok...I flipped the Lancer over and primered the underside.  I was surprised to learn that I got a lot of the seam smooth during the initial putty/sand phase.  Only a little more seam clean up will be necessary.  I did run out of primer so of to the LHS to stock  up.

Kevin

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Posted by pordoi on Wednesday, October 27, 2010 7:16 AM

macattack80

Ok...I flipped the Lancer over and primered the underside.  I was surprised to learn that I got a lot of the seam smooth during the initial putty/sand phase.  Only a little more seam clean up will be necessary.  I did run out of primer so of to the LHS to stock  up.

 

Well that's good news.  Let me know what brand primer and paint you're planning to use so that I can buy stock in that company before you make your purchase... Big Smile  I ended up using almost 2 rattle cans of Mr. Surfacer 1200 in the priming phase and I'm almost done the second botttle of gunship gray and still have another coat or two to go. 

 

Don

 

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Posted by macattack80 on Thursday, October 28, 2010 11:07 AM

pordoi

 macattack80:

Ok...I flipped the Lancer over and primered the underside.  I was surprised to learn that I got a lot of the seam smooth during the initial putty/sand phase.  Only a little more seam clean up will be necessary.  I did run out of primer so of to the LHS to stock  up.

 

 

Well that's good news.  Let me know what brand primer and paint you're planning to use so that I can buy stock in that company before you make your purchase... Big Smile  I ended up using almost 2 rattle cans of Mr. Surfacer 1200 in the priming phase and I'm almost done the second botttle of gunship gray and still have another coat or two to go. 

 

Don

 

I gonna get the Testors Lacquer Series primer.  I am fresh out of all primer so I plan on getting a few cans so invest quickly.  Big Smile   

Kevin

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Posted by macattack80 on Saturday, October 30, 2010 3:34 PM

FINALLY....got all the seams smooth in the fuselage.  When the primer dries and I can move the beast around a bit I will post some pics.

Kevin

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Posted by pordoi on Saturday, October 30, 2010 6:27 PM

Great!  Kinda slow going, isn't it?  Let's see some photos when you get the chance.

I did a second coat of Gunship Gray; attempted to speed up the process by only giving 24 hrs to cure rather than 48 between coats.  In the past. I've mostly used Tamiya acrylics so this is my first try at MM enamels.  It could be that I'm asking for trouble using 24 hrs between coats but so far it seems OK. 

I put a first coat of gloss on the underside this afternoon to seal the paint and prep for decals.  Tomorrow, I'll check coverage and flip it over to do the topside.  Once the gloss coat is completed, it will get 48-72 hrs to fully cure before continuing.  Then decals:  85-0084,  Hard Rain from the TwoBobs decal sheet.  This aircraft flew missions in Afganistan in 2008; trying to track down its current location.

 

Don

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Posted by macattack80 on Monday, November 1, 2010 3:59 PM

I managed to get the first coat of gunship gray on the upper section if the Lancer last night.  I am repainting the wings because the got a little beat up as I tried to manipulate the beast in my attempts to smooth the fuselage seams.

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I planned on applying a second coat tonight after work but I will have to stay late because the person relieving me has called in sick......again.

Kevin

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Posted by macattack80 on Wednesday, November 3, 2010 3:30 PM

We were on page 2 again   Sad  

I put a second coat of Gunship Gray on the upper surface last night.  I think 2 coats covered nicely.  I will have a look at her tonight with a fresh pair of eyes and decide if a 3rd coat is necessary. 

Don, I think that 24  hours between coats of paint with MM enamels is fine.  I would wait at least 48 hours if you have to move the model around though.  The flat paint dries much faster that the gloss, as you probably already know. 

The Hard Rain decal selection is a good choice.  I look forward to seeing you Lancer and finished, as I am sure you are too  Stick out tongue

Kevin

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Posted by pordoi on Wednesday, November 3, 2010 5:06 PM

macattack80

I put a second coat of Gunship Gray on the upper surface last night.  I think 2 coats covered nicely.  I will have a look at her tonight with a fresh pair of eyes and decide if a 3rd coat is necessary.  ...

The Hard Rain decal selection is a good choice.  I look forward to seeing you Lancer and finished, as I am sure you are too  Stick out tongue

 

Kevin, you still planning to do an earlier tri-color scheme?  Also, since you're also nearing the point to add decals, what are your plans? 

I've gotten about halfway through the TwoBobs set for Hard Rain; there are stencils supplied also, so alot of small decals to attach.  Slow going.  Also, the TwoBobs instructions for application are kind of unusual.  Decals aren't numbered or otherwise identified.  Have to look at the picture and use that as a guide.  Only problem is that the text for most of the stencils is so small as to be unreadable in the picture.  So identifying the correct stencil decal is an exercize in pattern matching (e.g., let's see, two long lines of text followed by a short one), or consulting the reference photos, or trying to match with the info provided in the kit instructions. 

And yes, it seems that I'm close to completing this, but then I think about what is left to do.  I haven't attached many of the antennae or pitot tubes yet; the bomb bay doors still need to be fully assembled and attached in open position, but this can only occur after decals are applied, sealed and then blended with an overspray and dull coat.  The crew ladder and exhaust cans have yet to be assembled and painted; landing gear needs to be attached.   The list seems to go on and on. 

But I'm having fun.  Even if it's only a hour a day to work on it.  Once the decaling is complete, I'll post some photos.  And keep us up to date with your progress.  Right now, it looks like we are the only ones with ongoing builds, until Bish and some of the others who planned on starting late get going.

 

Don

 

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Posted by macattack80 on Wednesday, November 3, 2010 7:10 PM

pordoi

 macattack80:

I put a second coat of Gunship Gray on the upper surface last night.  I think 2 coats covered nicely.  I will have a look at her tonight with a fresh pair of eyes and decide if a 3rd coat is necessary.  ...

The Hard Rain decal selection is a good choice.  I look forward to seeing you Lancer and finished, as I am sure you are too  Stick out tongue

 

 

Kevin, you still planning to do an earlier tri-color scheme?  Also, since you're also nearing the point to add decals, what are your plans? 

I've gotten about halfway through the TwoBobs set for Hard Rain; there are stencils supplied also, so alot of small decals to attach.  Slow going.  Also, the TwoBobs instructions for application are kind of unusual.  Decals aren't numbered or otherwise identified.  Have to look at the picture and use that as a guide.  Only problem is that the text for most of the stencils is so small as to be unreadable in the picture.  So identifying the correct stencil decal is an exercize in pattern matching (e.g., let's see, two long lines of text followed by a short one), or consulting the reference photos, or trying to match with the info provided in the kit instructions. 

And yes, it seems that I'm close to completing this, but then I think about what is left to do.  I haven't attached many of the antennae or pitot tubes yet; the bomb bay doors still need to be fully assembled and attached in open position, but this can only occur after decals are applied, sealed and then blended with an overspray and dull coat.  The crew ladder and exhaust cans have yet to be assembled and painted; landing gear needs to be attached.   The list seems to go on and on. 

But I'm having fun.  Even if it's only a hour a day to work on it.  Once the decaling is complete, I'll post some photos.  And keep us up to date with your progress.  Right now, it looks like we are the only ones with ongoing builds, until Bish and some of the others who planned on starting late get going.

 

Don

 

I still plan on going with the Strategic Camo scheme with the Bone.   I will probably go with the Trilogy of Terror decals.   

It seems like there are a lot of fiddly bit things to do at the end of a build and thinking of all of them can seem a bit overwhelming. 

I will post pics as I make decent progress.   Its seems that most of the other GB's that I have been following haven't had many updates lately either.  

Kevin

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Posted by Bish on Thursday, November 4, 2010 11:15 AM

Just to let you know, i have made a start this week. I ballsed up my airbrush last weekend and have just ordered a new part. That mean my B-24 has stalled at the final hurdle, so i have cracked on with my P.1101. I will have some pics up at the weekend.

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Posted by pordoi on Thursday, November 4, 2010 5:53 PM

WooHoo!!!   Bish has started!  YesBeerBeer  Pull up a chair, order some Pizza  Eats and let's watch.

 

Don

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Posted by Bish on Thursday, November 4, 2010 9:46 PM

Its actually a rather easy kit and is going together very well. The cockpit is done, theres not much to it, the engine is in, i do plan on adding some extra detail, and the fuselage is together. If it wasn't for work i could have this done in two weeks. However, i am working away next week, after that i have 4 days to work on it and am then home on leave for 3 weeks. Then i am back in work over xmas as i am on duty, but that will give me alot of time and i am hopeing to get this one done by xmas. I really need to get both kits finished by the end of the first week on Jan, as after that no more modelling until May. But once i start painting the P.1101, i can work on the MiG while the otehr kit is put ashide to cure.

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Posted by Bish on Saturday, November 6, 2010 4:56 AM

As promised, some pictures. This is one of two P.1101 kits that Dragon does in 1/72nd, the other being a night fighter with a T tail. I bought both kits off the same E-bay seller some time before this GB started. And when pordoi started this build and mention this aircraft as being a swing wing, i thought he had made a major error, i eat my thoughts. I had these kits for a bit and never realised. And it forced me into doing a bit of digging into this aircraft, which i didn't realise had reached the protype stage.

So, for those who missed the earlier posts and now nothing about this aircraft, here is a brief back ground and what i plan on doing with it.

This aircraft, built by Messerschmitt, begain life in mid 1944. By the end of the war one prototype had been built but not flown.  It was fitted with a HeS 011A engine and would have been armed with 4 MK 108 cannon, and possably AA missiles.  The prototype had wings that could be adjusted on the ground, pre set at 30, 35 and 40 degress. The Germans had not yet worked out how to adjust the wings in flight.

So what am i planning on doing. Production aircraft often look rather different from the prototype, by the time the wrinkles have been ironed out. I am going to build a possable production aircraft which will differ slightly from the prototype. I am assuming the Germans worked out how to adjust the wings in flight.

This is the kit

 

This does not come with the option of having the wings at different angles. Heres a couple of pics from the ref i am useing showing the wings angles. It says it is of a model, but does not say which model. Most of the pics in this book are of models, including a couple that look like the Dragon kit.

Here are the wings swept back as the kit has you build them.

 

And here forward more like the angle mine will be set at for take off.

 

As well as moving the wings, i will be adding wing gloves, makes sense that the Germans would of thought of this and it covers the holes i had to make. You can see the PITOT on the left wing is not at the correct angle with wings forward. So i will be moving mine onto the nose. The kit also has 4 wing pylons each with two locating tabs and correspondant holes. I will be filling the rear holes and removing rear tabs to give those the correct angle of attack for the wing angle.

On top, the right side after removing some plastic to adjust the wing, underneath the left side as it comes. The pics of the prototype don't show any recess for the wings to move into, but they must have moved into somthing, so this is guess work.

 

The kit comes with a few PE parts for the cockpit. This still has the seat and stick to add.

 

I did make a little mess when grinding out the holes due to my power tool slipping, so i need to fill that in. I was planning on adding detail to the engine, but with the panels on you can't see much.

 

After adding these the batteries ran out on the camera, bloody typical. I have since added the fuselage rear and attached the wings. The PITOT has also been moved onto the nose. I will try and get some more pics on Mon. My next tasks are to make and add the wing gloves and paint and fit the pilot as i am having the cockpit closed with the aircraft moving off.

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Posted by macattack80 on Saturday, November 6, 2010 7:29 AM

pordoi

WooHoo!!!   Bish has started!  YesBeerBeer  Pull up a chair, order some Pizza  Eats and let's watch.

 

Don

BalloonsWelcome SignBalloons   Any reason to have a pint, and this happens to be a good reason.  That is a neat looking plane.  Looking forward to your WIP photos.

I got a coat of Gunship gray on the upper section of the Bone last night.  She's looking quite, well, gray.  It's nice to actually paint something.   One more coat should do it and I will snap a few pics. 

Kevin

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Posted by pordoi on Saturday, November 6, 2010 1:31 PM

Looks like you've made some reasonable assumptions, Bish.  Don't know how large a glove will actually be needed given the limited sweep of the initial design.  You probably have seen these sites but if not, have a look here:

 

 

http://www.luft46.com/mess/mep1101.html

 

http://www.things-with-wings.com/EarlyJets/Me1101BellX5.htm

 

Also, I imagine the the Bell X-5 design was not too far off from what theb P.1101 would have looked like, so that could be used as a design prototype also.  Seems like most of the mods made for the X-5 were to accommodate a different engine.  It's a cool aircraft and a bit intimidating considering it was thought to have a top speed that may have broken Mach1 and an estimated cruising speed of 620mph.

 

Don

 

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Posted by Bish on Saturday, November 6, 2010 1:36 PM

Ye, i had looked at those sites a while back. Those photos of the prototype are all in the book i have, i guess there are only so many pics of that aircraft. I did get the idea of moving the PITOT from the X-5 pics. I am not planning on making large wing gloves, nothing like you might see on a MiG 23, just small ones. I have cleaned up the seams since taking those pics, so she does look alot neater than she does there.

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Posted by Bish on Monday, November 8, 2010 12:26 PM

managed to get some pics last night of how it looks now. As medntioned the wings have been fitted and the PITOT probe moved.

 

Here you can see the wings after being swept forward.

 

And once the panels are on underneather, you can't see much of the engine.

I am a Norfolk man and i glory in being so

 

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Posted by macattack80 on Monday, November 8, 2010 3:27 PM

Bish, Your build is coming along nicely.  As I said before, that is one neat little airplane. 

I plan on painting another coat of Gunship Gray on the Lancer tonight.  I have some sink marks in the nose gear bay door and crew ladder door to contend with.  Then they will be repainted.  I didn't notice until after the first coat of Gunship Gray.  Oh well.  

Kevin

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