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60th Anniversary Korean War Group Build- extended for the duration

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Posted by tonka on Thursday, September 23, 2010 11:45 AM

Greg, Awesome looking corsair, I HAVE to do one in black! The Corsair is my favorite aircraft, of course it has nothing to do with it being a USMC bird! Wink

They just look neat and the black is different. I'll have to go back and read your build on it, to see how you scaled the black down, I usually use a very very dark gray.

Nice work!!!

Kevin

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Posted by Gregbbear on Thursday, September 23, 2010 3:59 PM

Thanks Gamera and Kevin!  I appreciate it.  This is the first GB that I have completed.  If I could ever finish my phantom.....

Kevin, I used Tamiya X-18 Semi-gloss black, On the last coat, I used some lightened with a little bit of white.  After the decals, I used Testors  Flat Laquer in a spray can.  It worked out better than I could of hoped for.  It seems that the Tamiya acrylic is real delicate though.  I think I'm going to go with your method on my 1/72 twin mustang though.

As for Marine birds, I am in total agreement, and Corsairs in particular.  At some point, it would be nice to have an all Marine GB.  However, I am trying to broaden my horizons by building some USAF mustangs.

Cheers,

Greg

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Posted by Helo H-34 on Thursday, September 23, 2010 5:52 PM

Greg , the Corsair looks perfect , well done Toast

I also notice a antenna on the very tip of the tail on the Corsair , was this just for the 5N version as italeri and revell supply extra antenna's but there is no mention of using them on their builds ???

Kevin , thank's for the links On the USAF OA-10A Catalina sites , I printed out that color profile from wing pallete for reference .

Here is the 1/72 Airfix PBY-5 Catalina kit ...

As I mentioned before , I have done some interior airbrushing ; There are no panel lines at all on the clear parts , so I'll have to buy some paint masks , Airfix does include a nice boarding lader for one of the side fuselage blister windows , which you can pose open ....

I have a spare radar radome left over from the PBM-5 Mariner build I can use on the OA-10A , I may have do what Gregbbear mentioned about masking and painting the large yellow numbers on the bottom of the aircraft , I doubt if I could find decals that size to suit ?

Anyway I'll add this bird to the other two flying boats I'm working on , the PBM-5 Mariner and Short Sunderland III ; Should make a nice trio when finished

                         John .

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Posted by Gregbbear on Thursday, September 23, 2010 7:46 PM

That is going to be one cool Cat.  I like that scheme, and it will really stand out.  You have a knack for finding some of the most interesting and unique aircraft.

As for the Corsair, that antenna is for the -5N and 5NL, not on the -4B.  Hasegawa got that right, but they missed the radio altimeter antenna on the bottom of the fuselage.  It looks like an upside down T.

Cheers,

Greg

ps- I am looking forward to seeing some K1A1 pictures......

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Posted by Helo H-34 on Thursday, September 23, 2010 9:56 PM

The Osprey F4U Corsair book just arrived , along with the 1/72 Italeri F4U-5N kit

I'm thinking of cutting the engine cowl section of the newly arrived kit and extending the front fuselage with a 3mm piece from a spare F4U engine front section , this should come close to the proper fuselage length of the 5N version , I also have carefully cut the cowl flaps to pose them slightly open as well .

I have some 3mm plastic strip to add to the center wing section to make up the difference there as well .

I'm looking forward to reading some of the F4U book later tonight .

                                                      John .

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Posted by simpilot34 on Friday, September 24, 2010 5:23 AM

WOW John, you are a busy lil beaver!!! SWEEEEEEET!!!! Looking forward to seeing your builds progress!!!!!Toast

Cheers, Lt. Cmdr. Richie "To be prepared for war, is one of the most effectual means of preserving the peace."-George Washington
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Posted by Helo H-34 on Friday, September 24, 2010 9:24 PM

I was reading some more of my Military Air Transport Service book and came across this interesting picture ;

The book mentions about the 3rd Air Rescue Service operating H-19's , SA-16A's which were based on Cho-do Island and at Paengnyong-do which were bail out sites for war damaged or mechanically disabled aircraft and a couple of H-19's painted all black for clandestine operations .

The 581st ARCW , "Air Resupply Communication Service " also participated in these operations as in the pic I posted above . Besides the awesome looking all black SA-16A Albatross , there is an all black B-17 in the background which caught my interest !

I had a bit of a search on the net for some more additional info on an all black B-17 but I couldn't find all that much so far . I have an old Hasegawa 1/72 B-17 in the spares box along with a spare USAF decals in red I was thinking of using ;

I was wondering if anyone had any additional info on the black finished B-17 and what markings would have been on her ???

Hannants in the UK had the 1/72 Albatross listed as a future release , I put a back order in for 3 kits but I have no idea when they will become available ; Hopfully some time soon .

                                     John .

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Posted by Helo H-34 on Saturday, September 25, 2010 3:20 AM

My apologies guy's , the HU-16 Albatross kits I have on order are Amodel 1/144 scale not 1/72

Sorry about that EmbarrassedOops

                       John .

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Posted by Theuns on Saturday, September 25, 2010 10:12 AM

Well lads, I have now almost lost all interest and patience with the Academy F-86f 30 I am buildingSad

After my initial problem with the yellow bands that I tried to paint on, I removed all the paint back to plastic.I then put on silver only to see I lost a few major pannel lines in the prosses!

Removed the silver and re scribed lines and sprayed silver now again!

I have now decided that any further atempts to make it better will only end up in damage that my limited skill can not hideEmbarrassed

SO, I will use the suplied decal bands and hope for the best. Maybe a little weathering and some pannel staining will hide some of the mistakes.

Later

Theuns

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Posted by simpilot34 on Saturday, September 25, 2010 11:13 PM

Looking good John, another on the homestretch!!!!Toast

Theuns, hope you can get it all sorted, hang in there buddy!!!Yes

Cheers, Lt. Cmdr. Richie "To be prepared for war, is one of the most effectual means of preserving the peace."-George Washington
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Posted by jeaton01 on Sunday, September 26, 2010 2:22 AM

John, there is a photo of an all black B-17 in the Detail and Scale Vol 3 on the B-17, but it is in 1957 at Clark AFB in the Philippines.

John

To see build logs for my models:  http://goldeneramodel.com/mymodels/mymodels.html

 

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Posted by Helo H-34 on Sunday, September 26, 2010 6:51 AM

jeaton01

John, there is a photo of an all black B-17 in the Detail and Scale Vol 3 on the B-17, but it is in 1957 at Clark AFB in the Philippines.

Thank's John ;

I saw a heap of books on the B-17 while searching the net , I was wondering which one might have at least something on post WW2 B-17's . Amazon Books had the B-17 Detail and Scale Vol 3 , it looks like it might suit me .

Also while searching the net I came across a topic over at ARC about Academy's B-17 kits ; Apparently the wings angle up to high . I hadn't notice this on my Academy [B-17] PB-1W's but when I compared the Academy kits to the older Hasegawa B-17 , the Dhedrial on the Academy wings doesn't look right . So seeing I went to the extra exspence of buying and adding those RVHP resin roof and belly radomes , I've decided to remove the wings and re-fit them with a more appropriate dhedrial . They were both ready for masking a couple of weeks ago and I had been a little annoyed at my slow progress to get them  airbrushed and finished off , However my distraction with other builds may have been a blessing after all .

I have removed a set of wings from one PB-1W , I thing I'll cut the tab off which fits into the slot in the fuselage side and file the end of the wing and then just butt fit it back against the fuselage .

Oh well a little bit of extra work on the PB-1W's but I am glad I found out about the wings before I started airbrushing .

                           John .

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Posted by Theuns on Sunday, September 26, 2010 7:26 AM

I tried the decals on the F-86, but allas the one wingband decal I used as a template to see where the masking went just fell apart in the water, after I aplied the other wingbands :(

Must have been because I handled it to much or something. I am now forced to paint on the yellow , but this time I will use black spare decal strips for the black if any bleeding occurs under the masking.

If this fails I will bin the project.

 

Theuns

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Posted by jeaton01 on Sunday, September 26, 2010 10:49 AM

Here's the build log on an Academy B-17E I built a while ago.  I just removed some material from the fuselage on both sides at the bottom of the wing fit, no sanding on the wings.  Had a little issue fitting the cockpit transparency and the seam from there to the upper turret.  It's a little flimsy there.

http://www.yolo.net/~jeaton/mymodels/b17/1b17e/1b17e.htm

John

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Posted by stikpusher on Sunday, September 26, 2010 2:11 PM

Theuns, I am sorry to hear about all the speedbumps you keep hitting on the wing bands. But it sounds like you have beat most of the problem finally. Hang in there.

 

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Posted by Aaronw on Monday, September 27, 2010 2:36 PM

Helo H-34

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I love the pilots, they kind of look like little penguins in fatigues. Big Smile

 

I'm curious about the Italeri F4U-5N kit, I just got the F4U-4 kit and it looks like the same sprues only blue. I'll compare sprues when I get home with what you posted, I'm wondering if I can build a -5N from the kit. I'm starting to get a decent selection of nightfighters in the stash, and the -4 kit is easily available, while I've never seen the -5N kit.

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Posted by Gamera on Monday, September 27, 2010 2:51 PM

Theuns: I'm trying to finish a P-38 on which nothing went right just to get the #$#@ thing done and pushed off the workbench. Sometimes nothing seems to want to go right. All I can tell you is chalk the thing up as a learning experience and if nothing works just call it finished and move on. Bang Head

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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Posted by Helo H-34 on Monday, September 27, 2010 6:20 PM

Aaron ,

I have been doing quite a bit of kit-bashing and parts swapping on my F4U-5N Corsair "Night Fighters" ;

Italeri's F4U-5N kit is identical to the Revell F4U-5 offering , which are really not much different to the Italeri F4U-4B kit ;

Here is a comparision pic of Italeri's F4U-5N and F4U-4B sprue

The fuselage halves are the same , F4U-4B [blue] and F4U-5N [gray]

The only major difference is the 5N kit has wing cannons with flash muzzles , different weapons pylons , a radar radome but no bombs or missle's .

When I bought the High Planes F4U-5N kit , I discovered that there is no cockpit tub , console or control stick included ; So I went and bought Revell's F4U-5 kit originally just for those parts . However I changed my mind and ended up using almost 95% of the Revell kit and just grafted the High Planes front engine and cowl section [gray] to the revell fuselage [blue] .

This ment I had a spare [blue] engine cowl and front section left over , you can see in the pic below how I grafted the High Planes front section to the Revell fuselage .

The spare engine cowl and small front section [blue] that is left over is what I intend using on the new Italeri F4U-5N kit to extend the front fuselage to the correct length .

I hope this makes some sense , basically Italeri and Revell's F4U-5 fuselage halves aren't the correct length to start with , there the same as the F4U-4B fuselage halves . You need to extend them and add a filler strip to the center of the wing section as well .

I hope this helps , I usually struggle somewhat to explain things !

                                                 John .

BTW , I like your analogy on the Airfix PBY pilots , I suppose it's fitting they should look like penguin's seeing they are sitting in a flying boat .

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Posted by pepper kay on Tuesday, September 28, 2010 10:45 AM

Hi Guys:

I've been down with pneumonia of late and away from this forum ... read through everything this morning and am awed by the quality of the builds and discussions ...

While laid up, I read some number of back issues of FSM and the last page of the March 2001 issue has a color photo of a pair of F3D-2 Skynights, an F7F-3N Tigercat and an F4U-5N Corsair, all from VMF(N)-513 and all in black with the red WF codes on the tails, parked at Kunsan Air Base, South Korea ...

As an aside, I've finally opened the box to my Czech Model P-80 and have laid everything out to begin assembly ... photos coming ...

pepper

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Posted by Aaronw on Tuesday, September 28, 2010 2:49 PM

Thanks, for the run down of the kit. I was looking and didn't see anything that looked like a radome, and your sprue shots confirm that is is a new piece. Odd that they called it a 5N, when it would have been perfectly acceptable as a 4N (which is what it is), of course with a little work it's possible to have both. Big Smile Guess I need to start watching for that kit, I've only seen the Revell / Italeri F4U-4 kits.

I assume the -5 uses the cowling front with dual intakes? I'm also curious about the wings when you say you have to add a plug, longer (wing tip to wing tip) or wider?  

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Posted by Helo H-34 on Tuesday, September 28, 2010 4:05 PM

By my calculation , there is about a 3mm difference in 1/72 scale from the leading edge of the wing cut-out on the fuselage halves to the engine cowl flaps between the 4B and 5N

The plug for the wing is to extend it wider , also about 3mm

The 5N has the duel intakes on the cowling ring .

                             John .

BTW , Pepperkay any chance of posting the pic from the back page of the FSM March 2001issue of the F3D-2 , F7F-3N and F4U-5N Night fighters .

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Posted by Aaronw on Tuesday, September 28, 2010 7:38 PM

Helo H-34

By my calculation , there is about a 3mm difference in 1/72 scale from the leading edge of the wing cut-out on the fuselage halves to the engine cowl flaps between the 4B and 5N

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The plug for the wing is to extend it wider , also about 3mm

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The 5N has the duel intakes on the cowling ring .

                             John .

BTW , Pepperkay any chance of posting the pic from the back page of the FSM March 2001issue of the F3D-2 , F7F-3N and F4U-5N Night fighters .

 

Ah, much smaller bit of work than I thought, if I am careful I could probably manage the extention with some plastic tubing and creative rescribing. Thanks

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Posted by pepper kay on Tuesday, September 28, 2010 8:18 PM

 

BTW , Pepperkay any chance of posting the pic from the back page of the FSM March 2001issue of the F3D-2 , F7F-3N and F4U-5N Night fighters .

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Hi All:

Here's the photo from an FSM back issue ... photo quality is poor as FSM got it from a newspaper article ... about all it's good for is to show the various aircraft types noted, the fact they're black with red WF tail codes ...

Pepper

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Posted by simpilot34 on Wednesday, September 29, 2010 4:17 AM

John, great work on the Cosair mod!! The grafted parts also have the correct exhaust positions, as the -5 ones were a bit higher on the fuse compared to the -4, well done!!Toast

Hope you get better soon Pepper!!!Yes

Cheers, Lt. Cmdr. Richie "To be prepared for war, is one of the most effectual means of preserving the peace."-George Washington
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Posted by Gamera on Wednesday, September 29, 2010 7:56 AM

Pepper Kay: Ack, sorry to hear that, pneumonia is nasty stuff! Glad you're feeling better and looking forward to the P-80.

Helo: nice, I generally built straight from the box with maybe a dash of PE tossed in. It always impresses me when I see all the great work put into modifing a kit like your F5U-5.

I'm sad to report a hitch in my build. I finished adding all the PE parts to the K1A1 last week and went to lay down the primer coat of paint and was hoping to have photos to post this weekend. Then the securely glued on gun barrel I was holding the turret by while I painted it popped out of the mantlet. The whole thing dropped four feet / 1.3 meters to the concrete floor. Thankfully it seems to have landed right side up so all the detail wasn't crushed but half the detail parts I'd glued to the turret over the last four months went flying everywhere. I found most of the big pieces but still I'm angry and honked off enough that I put it back in the box and walked away. I'll finish her sometime but I don't want to even look at the thing right now.

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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Posted by Gregbbear on Wednesday, September 29, 2010 11:58 AM

Dang Gamera, sorry to hear that.  I feel your pain though.  My Phantom for that GB has been dropped way too many times.  I am almost afraid to touch the darn thing to finish it.  I had to shelve it a few times due to frustration. 

On the other hand, the Corsair chop shop going on, is starting to give me ideas.  I have a couple of minicraft -5Ns.  They are supposed to be inaccurate.  So, I am thinking of butchering one to make an AU-1.  I just ordered the cockpit set for an AU-1.  Fudging the markings shouldn't be too hard.

Cheers,

Greg

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Posted by STFD637 on Wednesday, September 29, 2010 1:49 PM

Well I finished the Banshee a few weeks ago. I haven't been able to post here for a while.....busy, busy! The kit is one of the better ones available. I would have loved to have seen the white "pen stripes" as a one peice with the red! Those thin strips gave me sooooo much grief! The gear detail is probably the worst part of the whole kit (none!!!). Here are some pics. I am still working on the H-19 and Souix. More pics to come soon.

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Thanks for those who posted to pics. They came in very handy!

Travis

"If a lie is told often, and long enough, it becomes reality!"

Travis/STFD637

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Posted by Gregbbear on Wednesday, September 29, 2010 3:29 PM

Nice looking Banshee!  Military Aircraft Monthly just did a nice piece on the Banshee.  What a cool plane....

I am almost ready to seal up the fuselages on my mustangs.  I'm just waiting to get my seatbelts.  My LHS ordered some for me, but I haven't had a chance to go pick them up.  I look forward to getting them ready for the paint booth.  I am wondering if I should put a silver base on the F-82 before the black???  There is an article on an Invader where the author used its raised panel lines to an advantage for weathering a black plane.  I think it is worth a try.  Anybody else do this? 

Here are the mustangs as they stand now.

Cheers,

Greg

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Posted by Helo H-34 on Wednesday, September 29, 2010 5:00 PM

Greg ,

That's interesting about the AU-1 Corsair , I have in tne spares box a 1/72 Hasegawa F4U-1D Corsair and I was looking at her the other day and was thinking about what I would need to do to convert her to an AU-1?

Apart from lengthening the front fuselage section , what got me stumped was the 4B and 5N seem to have a pear shape front section , slightly flattened on the bottom . I couldn't figure out if this was the same on the AU-1?

Looking through Squadron's F4U in action book , it mentions that the front cowl doesn't have those air scoops like on the 4B and 5N but one photo in the book seem's to show a pear shaped front section and in other photo's it appears to look more rounded like the 1D ???? Confused

                               John .

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Posted by Helo H-34 on Wednesday, September 29, 2010 5:19 PM

Excellent looking Banshee , Travis , well done Toast

I like the markings as well .

Greg , nice work on the F-82 , so far Yes

 I have read about applying silver first and then the black color , I have never tried this but was also interested if it would work . I picked up Squadrons F7F-3 Tigercat in action book and there are some nice pic's of the 3N bird in Korea ; The aircraft are extremely weathered , so I'm trying to think of different way's to obtain a similar finish . I don't think my usual clean finish on my builds will suit any of the Night Figthers .

One pic show's a F7F-3N sitting back on her tail waiting for the fuel truck to arrive , I'll see if I can pick up one of those 1/72 Hasegawa WW2 fuel trucks ?

                                     John .

 

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