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60th Anniversary Korean War Group Build- extended for the duration

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  • From: Australia
Posted by Helo H-34 on Saturday, December 11, 2010 7:34 PM

Greg , Iknow what you mean about Revell re-issueing Matchbox kits , I have in the stash both of Revells A-1E/AD-5 Skyraider with the Cobra Co. cockpit resin set and the T-2C/E Buckeye with Palva's resin cockpit ...

Your post got me thinking about looking through my resin aftermarket stash and I found these two seats ;

True details F-80/T-33 and F-101 Voodoo seats

They might be as close as I might get to the real thing , so I'll have a think about using them .

A few weeks back I was browsing the net for another Matchbox Skynight kit and saw a ebay listing from a seller in Honk Kong who had 5 of the kits for sale , if I recall correctly , I think he wanted $50 each .....

" OUCH "

                                John

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  • From: Yangju, Gyeonggi-Do, Korea
Posted by the_draken on Saturday, December 11, 2010 8:23 PM

In another universe and time, John wrote:

"a ebay listing from a seller in Honk Kong who had 5 of the kits for sale , if I recall correctly , I think he wanted $50 each ....."

BLOODY HELL!  I cruise ebay every day at work, haven't seen one listed, that sold, for over $15.00 or so.  I regularly see them selling for under $10.  I only search for 1/72 kits that are in the US.  I've got a fairly good refined search.  I've seen, and bid, on the Octopus F7F-3N kit, I've not seen it go for UNDER $50.00 though.  And yes, I did bid as high as $50.08 in my attempts.  I also just saw a week or so ago, the Monogram Tigercat with the Cobra Co. resin conversion go for $17.00, which irritated m as that's less than the resin sells for from the company!  Grrrrrr...  Woulda bid on it, but I've already got that.

Anyway, I've got my Skyknight done, will be posting pics and a build review on my website today.

http://sites.google.com/site/modelingthekoreanwarin172scale/

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Andy Hill (the_draken) landrew.hill(at)live.com <*> ASE Master Auto Tech, Imaca certified.  >^.^<

PADI OWSI Certified, BA Poli Sci (NDSU), BS Secondary ED-Social Studies MSUM (Sigma *** Laude)

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Posted by Helo H-34 on Saturday, December 11, 2010 10:15 PM

The Mongram Tigercat in my stash andy came from ebay , it was $15 . Not to bad I guess accept the kit was missing one of the tail planes , so I'll scratch up two from some spare B-17 tail planes . I'll probably build her after I build the Skynight .

I've only used ebay the once , Like you I build in 1/72 scale and I go looking for kits on the net all the time ; ebay UK had a Skynight for 25 Pounds , thats about $32 AUS , looks like the seller in Honk Kong has dropped the price to $40 ...

I would much prefer if Revell re-issued one , we can only hope .

                           John

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  • From: Yangju, Gyeonggi-Do, Korea
Posted by the_draken on Saturday, December 11, 2010 11:31 PM

Just updated the web page and wrote a review of the Skyknight build.  Here's a link to the build:

https://sites.google.com/site/modelingthekoreanwarin172scale/home/aircraft-of-the-korean-war/allied-aircraft/combat-aircraft/matchbox-f3d-2?pli=1

Not sure what happened to the decals...  I think that there was too much glue behind them and it all turned white as it dried.  I'm going to see what I can do about that wit a tissue and some different solvents, Windex, rubbing alcohol, etc.  Nothing too harsh!

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Andy Hill (the_draken) landrew.hill(at)live.com <*> ASE Master Auto Tech, Imaca certified.  >^.^<

PADI OWSI Certified, BA Poli Sci (NDSU), BS Secondary ED-Social Studies MSUM (Sigma *** Laude)

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  • From: Australia
Posted by Helo H-34 on Saturday, December 11, 2010 11:54 PM

Most F3D-2 Skynight pic's i have seen in books and magazine's look exactly like the pic you just posted .

The Skynight always seems to appear heavily wethered .

I'll find a couple of pic's and post them .

                                 John

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Posted by Helo H-34 on Sunday, December 12, 2010 12:20 AM

Andy , here's a couple of Skynight pic's....

I'll try and find some more to post later on .

                                  John .

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  • From: Garland, TX
Posted by pepper kay on Sunday, December 12, 2010 9:19 AM

If you have a LHS that carries model railroad items, there's a product I use to lift decals and/or strip paint called ' ELO' - Easy Lift Off ... applied thinly, it will lift decals ... applied heavily, it will lift paint ...

You might want to see if you can get your hands on some ...

pepper

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Posted by Gamera on Sunday, December 12, 2010 1:16 PM

Andy and John: Dang! You guys are tempting me to do a Skynight too!

Sorry about the decal problems Andy. I've never seen decals do that sort of thing. They must have soaked in glue to get that much on the model. Other than Pepper's advice I'm not sure what to do. You might take a little toothpaste on a cotton swab/cotton bud and try to sand it off but I'm not sure that wouldn't make a bigger mess though.

Good luck, I think one of the things that make me the maddest in modeling is when you get the whole bleeding thing done and then something like the decals go wrong at the very end when it's hardest to correct.

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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Posted by Gregbbear on Sunday, December 12, 2010 2:02 PM

John, thanks for posting those great Skynight shots!  I think those True Details seats look the part too.  I was looking at those same ones online also.  I think they would go a long way to dressing up the cockpit. 

If only Revell Germany.....

Does the RoG Skyraider come with Navy or Marines markings, or just air force?  I've been meaning to pick up the Buckeye myself.  It has character.

I have my kids this weekend, so not much modeling for me.

I hope everybody has had a good weekend.

Cheers,

Greg

 

- yat yas!

 

   

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  • From: Australia
Posted by Helo H-34 on Sunday, December 12, 2010 4:43 PM

The Revell A-1E kit comes with markings for one USAF 4407 CCTS SOW 1966 and two Navy markings , VA-65 NAS Alameda 1956 [gloss sea blue] and VA-122 NAS Lemoore 1968 [gull gray over white]

I've started collecting some 1/72 scale Navy/Marine Corps trainning aircraft ...

I only have a few kits so far , I'll have to search around and try and find a list of trainning aircraft and see what's available in 1/72 .

Sorry to get off topic Whistling

                          John .

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  • From: Yuma, AZ
Posted by Ripcord on Sunday, December 12, 2010 5:16 PM

Heres a Navy trainer I just picked up for 55% off if your interested.

http://www.squadron.com/ItemDetails.asp?item=rg4639

Mike

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Posted by Gregbbear on Sunday, December 12, 2010 8:03 PM

Cool!  A Turbo Mentor.  I like those old red and white planes.  A couple of hours south east of here is the US Navy's old training carrier, the Lexington.  I built her as a kid, and I've always liked her airwing.  They had the Turbo Mentors, Buckeyes, TF-9J Twougars.  Thanks for showing the insides of the Skyraider.  Next time I'm at my LHS, I will have to check and see if they have those kits.

As for the Harvard, I think the Navy/Marines called them SNJ's?

Cool stuff, the USAF used them as FACs in Korea bigtime.

Cheers,

Greg

- yat yas!

 

   

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  • From: Australia
Posted by Helo H-34 on Monday, December 13, 2010 12:22 AM

Thank's for the link ripcord on the T-6 Texan , that's a great price squadron are offering , so I think I'll pick up some to go with my 1/72 Colorado American T-6 Texan decals...

I wanted to do the mottled camo of green over silver for a Korean War USAF T-6 based at Taegu , Korea 1951 as well as a upper olive drab over silver underside version . There is also a SNJ-4 Naval Air Reserve 1950 . I think I'll order four of the birds  .

                        John .

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  • From: Yangju, Gyeonggi-Do, Korea
Posted by the_draken on Monday, December 13, 2010 1:19 AM

If you can get them for a decent price (they're only about 5oooW here in Korea), the Academy bird is a fantastic build!  Practically falls together out of the box, nice detail, and my only complaint is the decals not having enough glue to hold them (yeah, decals are an issue with me.).  Should be tons of them laying around on shop shelves.  They were the only fixed wing 'fighter' in the south's armory when the war broke out (they got the F-51's shortly after).I've built two so far, they're a dream to build.  The markings for it that come with the kit for the RoKAF are for a spotter bird from the Seoul area during the latter half of the war.

I wasn't even aware that they had been painted like that during the war...

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Andy Hill (the_draken) landrew.hill(at)live.com <*> ASE Master Auto Tech, Imaca certified.  >^.^<

PADI OWSI Certified, BA Poli Sci (NDSU), BS Secondary ED-Social Studies MSUM (Sigma *** Laude)

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  • From: Australia
Posted by Helo H-34 on Monday, December 13, 2010 3:01 AM

Hey Andy , I forgot about Academy's 1/72 Texan ;

I built one a couple of years ago and finished her IAF markings....

I check the LHS tomorrow for the Academy kit , they usually go for around $10-$12 and if they don't have any I'll go ahead and order the Revell kits from squadron .

Thank's for the reminder Wink

                               John .

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  • From: Hobart, Tasmania
Posted by Konigwolf13 on Monday, December 13, 2010 5:25 AM

Well its only been a week since my last post and two pages have gone past, WOW. Gamera your K1A1 is looking good.

Havn't made alot of progress but have done some. (To many end of year/christmas activities to taake the kids to). Fit on this kit is below par for what I expect from Dragon, very dissapointed. Done some sanding and filling so far but there will be much more before I'm finished.

Onto the pics

Hull Basically together

Hull with most of turrent and track guards on. Going to have to lay down a fair bit of putty or weld seams were the trackguards join the hull, not pretty will take some close ups before I fill them.

Barrel on

Andrew

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Posted by Gregbbear on Monday, December 13, 2010 1:31 PM

I just noticed that Greatmodels has the Academy T-6 on sale for $7.05.  If I can sneak it (and a few other things like their USMC crusader) past the wife, I might get one too.  I would like to do one with the squiggle camo over the metal finish.  Weird, that I would try that over a USMC one?  Sorry, Chesty, wherever you are....

Cheers,

Greg

- yat yas!

 

   

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  • From: Australia
Posted by Helo H-34 on Monday, December 13, 2010 2:24 PM

Andrew , that's a good start on the Dragon tank . I hope she goes together with out too many hassels .

I did notice that the Revell T-6 kit comes with underwing gun pods , Academy's doesn't , other than that they both appear very similar .

Greg , I don't think I have ever seen a two seat Couger before ; I was looking at the stash last night and saw two Hobbyboss TA-7C Corsair , I have some nice Xtradecals to go on them , one with a pirate with an eye patch on the tail fin . I'll have to put together a list of Navy/Marine trainners and see what else I come up with .

I'm making good progress on my CIA builds and I have managed to do a little more on the C-46 Commando and C-47 Skytrain , both of those will probably have some type of silver finish like the "Air America" birds I'm working on , so hopfully I can spray them at the same time . I was thinking of painting the underside of the C-47 black and calling her a 'Flare Ship' but I don't have any squadron logo's I see in my reference books to use .....pitty

I must of changed my mind about a dozen times as to what color schem to do on both the C-46 and C-47 anyone got any other suggestions ????

                                 John .

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  • From: Garland, TX
Posted by pepper kay on Monday, December 13, 2010 2:35 PM

Helo H-34

I must of changed my mind about a dozen times as to what color schem to do on both the C-46 and C-47 anyone got any other suggestions ????

                                 John .

John, you could alwasy paint them olive drab over gray ... I've seen lots of C-47's painted that way with invasion stripes on them ... have seen at least one C-46 in OD/gray ... but, that's really pretty plain, doncha think ? ...

pepper

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Posted by Helo H-34 on Monday, December 13, 2010 3:40 PM

Here's a page from one of my books showing some T-6 Texans and a C-47 Flare Ship ;

The number 21 on the C-47 is a little unusual as it more of the RAF style numbers than the US 45 degree style .

I have plenty of Alphabet sheets of both US and RAF styles , Black ,White , Yellow and Red but nothing that looks like the words "We Go 2" and those little red parachutes on the nose .

I'll keep searching around , I might find some lettering to suit .

                                   John .

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  • From: Garland, TX
Posted by pepper kay on Monday, December 13, 2010 8:21 PM

Hi All:

Finally over the pneumonia (again) and back to the workbench ... glad to be on the big computer as well ... laptops suck ...

Finally have the F-84 up on its wheels ... ope to finish it up by tomorrow ...

 

         

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Posted by Helo H-34 on Monday, December 13, 2010 8:31 PM

Good stuff Pepper ;

Your F-84 is looking awesome , I'm glad to hear that your back up on your landing gear as well .

Looking forward to the finished pic's

                      John .

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Posted by pepper kay on Monday, December 13, 2010 8:45 PM

Thank you, John:

It feels good to  to model again ... tring to work on a project from a hospital bed is for the birds ...

Have to mask and paint the canopy and add the little bits and pieces that I've left off ... this build is a whole lot better than my Sea Fury ...

I'm really pleased to be in the company of so many great modelrs ...

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Posted by Helo H-34 on Monday, December 13, 2010 9:33 PM

Well I managed to pic up a couple of Academy's T-6 Texan's from the LHS today along with a $5 Hobbyboss Texan .

I'll use the Colorado decals on the two Academy kits , one mottled green over silver and the other olive drab over silver . I had the Revell T-6 already in the stash and she comes with Korean War markings .

The Hobbyboss kit is very basic , with the fuselage and wings pre-assembled , however there are no cockpit consols or control sticks and that little "A" frame that fits between both cockpits is not included , shouldn't be to difficult to scratch some up using the other kits as a guide . The Hobbyboss kits comes with Korean War markings as well...

I'll pick up a couple of those Revell Texan kits as I have some Isradecals for the IDF T-6 Texans and while I'm looking at Squadron I'll see what Navy/Marine trainners are available .

                           John .

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Posted by Gamera on Tuesday, December 14, 2010 7:49 AM

Andrew: Thanks and your M26 is looking good. Sorry to hear about the fit problems but it is one of Dragon's older models so I'm not too surprised. Well as I seen enough AFV guys say 'if all else fails either toss some mud on it or put a tarp over it'. 

Pepper: Glad to hear you're feeling better and the F-84 is looking great. Just keep it where your cats can't get it please. Whistling

John: Looking forward to seeing those Texan/Harvards come together.

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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  • From: Hobart, Tasmania
Posted by Konigwolf13 on Tuesday, December 14, 2010 7:55 AM

Gamera, thanks its not to bad really its just going to require alot of extra work. It wont be needing a tarp or mudhole LOL.

Andrew

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  • From: Yangju, Gyeonggi-Do, Korea
Posted by the_draken on Tuesday, December 14, 2010 8:09 AM

pepper kay

 

 Helo H-34:

 

I must of changed my mind about a dozen times as to what color schem to do on both the C-46 and C-47 anyone got any other suggestions ????

                                 John .

 

 

John, you could alwasy paint them olive drab over gray ...

pepper

 

I've been going to do my Commando in NMF with RoKAF markings and the Gonneybird in NMF with the Arctic Red Tip markings as a USAF supply bird.  Ala the C-119 Box Cars.

________________________________________________________________________________

Andy Hill (the_draken) landrew.hill(at)live.com <*> ASE Master Auto Tech, Imaca certified.  >^.^<

PADI OWSI Certified, BA Poli Sci (NDSU), BS Secondary ED-Social Studies MSUM (Sigma *** Laude)

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  • From: Garland, TX
Posted by pepper kay on Tuesday, December 14, 2010 10:37 AM

Gamera

Pepper: Glad to hear you're feeling better and the F-84 is looking great. Just keep it where your cats can't get it please. Whistling.

Workbench and garage now being kept locked off from the cat :-) ...

Canopy is now masked and paint goes on in about 10 minutes ... some detail work behind the seat, as well as painting the landing gear struts ...  then the OD anti-glare panel, front and rear - why would you have anti-glare behind the cockpit is beyond me ... last but not least, finish up with the decals that I am going to use ...

Pictures to follow later this day ...

Then on to the F-86-30 ... woo woo !! ...

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Posted by Gregbbear on Tuesday, December 14, 2010 7:32 PM

Pepper, looking good!  Glad you are feeling better.

My LHS is out of T-6's.  Darn.  Instead I bought a Funny Car.  It is going to be a little harder to sneak in the house than a 1/72 airplane!

With any luck, I will be decaling my F-82 tomorrow!  I have parent teacher conferences in the a.m., then, as far as I know, a free day!

Cheers,

Greg

- yat yas!

 

   

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Posted by Gamera on Tuesday, December 14, 2010 7:51 PM

Greg: Good luck with those decals, looking forward to seeing her come out.

BTW: Squadron has the modern ROK K9 SP gun on sale for 40% off. Very nice kit. Had the KIFV kit for a couple years now, though it shows the UN version on the box it also comes with the decals for the South Korean version:

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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