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Hunting After Dark, 2011-2012 Night Fighter Group Build

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Posted by jbrady on Friday, March 4, 2011 2:40 PM

I think I solved the masking problem (sort of) with Parafilm. I might have scratched the canopy though, I'll know when I unmask. It's on it's feet (sort of) and ready for paint.

The plan is to spray the entire model with semi gloss black enamel. After that it's flat black 70% plus a flat dark grey 30%. I'll cut that about 50/50 misting in places thicker in other spots. After that I'll add some dark earth and more thinner going over some panel centers. Other panel centers will get the flat cut with brown. Should be fun.

   

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Posted by TREYZX10R on Thursday, March 3, 2011 10:56 PM

jbrady

 TREYZX10R:

Jbrady the canopies are my least favorite as well,looking great so far. I used liquid mask on the gun turrets on my He177 and it worked great

 

Don't you have to mask before you can paint the liquid mask?... never quite understood that. If I was steady enough to do the liquid mask, I could just freehand the paint.

Yea you do have to mask around the base ,but you can cut the tape real thin so its easy to work with and just fill in the rest with the liquid mask.

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Posted by jbrady on Thursday, March 3, 2011 5:56 PM

TREYZX10R

Jbrady the canopies are my least favorite as well,looking great so far. I used liquid mask on the gun turrets on my He177 and it worked great

Don't you have to mask before you can paint the liquid mask?... never quite understood that. If I was steady enough to do the liquid mask, I could just freehand the paint.

   

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Posted by TREYZX10R on Thursday, March 3, 2011 3:35 PM

Doogs really like the effect you've gotten with that mix thanks for sharing!

Jbrady the canopies are my least favorite as well,looking great so far. I used liquid mask on the gun turrets on my He177 and it worked great

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Posted by Hercmech on Thursday, March 3, 2011 10:41 AM

DoogsATX
 ....I guess I should also get off my duff ...

Yeah right because you are a slow builder. Indifferent You build faster in slow mode than I could ever do in fast mode.


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Posted by DoogsATX on Thursday, March 3, 2011 10:27 AM

Gamera

Doogs: She looks sharp! Looking forward to seeing how she looks with decals.

Thanks! Looking forward to it myself. I've got a strange mix of Tally Ho markings and Barracudacals stencils, so it'll be interesting to see how they play together. I'm also a bit worried about the red "no step" boxes on the leading edges of the wings to either side of the canopy. There's some raised detail there, and with all that clear decal film needed for those...eesh. I'll have to be sure to really bathe that section with Future.

Decals will probably not be going on until this weekend. Still have to Future the plane, paint the prop blades and so on. I guess I should also get off my duff and get some work done on the landing gear since I'll be needing it soon enough!

On the Bench: 1/32 Trumpeter P-47 | 1/32 Hasegawa Bf 109G | 1/144 Eduard MiG-21MF x2

On Deck:  1/350 HMS Dreadnought

Blog/Completed Builds: doogsmodels.com

 

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Posted by Gamera on Thursday, March 3, 2011 10:03 AM

Doogs: She looks sharp! Looking forward to seeing how she looks with decals.

Jbrady: Looks good! Have to agree with you on the canopies. My least favorite part of a/c modeling.

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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Posted by DoogsATX on Thursday, March 3, 2011 9:52 AM

jbrady

Looking good doogs. Did you see the link I posted a page back on fading rd2ma?

I did - that's a beautiful Beau for sure! 

As to paint, the Mossie NF.IIs actually started out using RD2Ma, but the paint was so rough that it dinged their performance. Top speed dropped by something like 23mph. It was quickly replaced with a smooth black (which I believe had a more satin/semi-gloss sheen), but this made it too easily seen by other aircraft, especially on clear nights when the moon was out. They soon moved to the grey/green upper camoflage, retaining the black undersides, and used that for the rest of the war. 

This particular Mossie is getting the "smooth black" treatment.

On the Bench: 1/32 Trumpeter P-47 | 1/32 Hasegawa Bf 109G | 1/144 Eduard MiG-21MF x2

On Deck:  1/350 HMS Dreadnought

Blog/Completed Builds: doogsmodels.com

 

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Posted by Hercmech on Thursday, March 3, 2011 9:07 AM

Jbrady,

Looking good so far.


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Posted by jbrady on Thursday, March 3, 2011 8:59 AM

It's starting to look like a Beau Fighter. I have no idea what I'm going to do about pre-shading. Masking the canopy and the observation bubble is going to be a barrel of laughs... onward

I was worried about seams between the wing assembly and fuselage but careful gluing worked out well.

Lots of little bits and filling, filing, and sanding then off to paint (if I can get around all the chores my girlfriend insists are necessary).

   

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Posted by jbrady on Thursday, March 3, 2011 8:21 AM

Looking good doogs. Did you see the link I posted a page back on fading rd2ma?

   

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Posted by Hercmech on Thursday, March 3, 2011 8:16 AM

Doggs,

Coming out great so far. I love the color and I appreciate the tip on the mixture as I have several kits that need a black coat and was wondering how I would get any shading out of it. The shading shows up really well on that left nacelle.  Great work, holding my breath for this one to be done.


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Posted by DoogsATX on Thursday, March 3, 2011 7:21 AM

It's almost black! The pre-shading is still there, but it's very subtle (which I guess works for an England-based Mossie). 

I used a mix of 3:1 Vallejo Black Grey to Vallejo Black, thinned a bit past 50/50 with Future. Tip dry got frustrating, but IMO no paint goes down smoother than this concoction. 

On the Bench: 1/32 Trumpeter P-47 | 1/32 Hasegawa Bf 109G | 1/144 Eduard MiG-21MF x2

On Deck:  1/350 HMS Dreadnought

Blog/Completed Builds: doogsmodels.com

 

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Posted by TREYZX10R on Wednesday, March 2, 2011 8:51 PM

Wow thanks for all the great scribing tips everyone ,much appreciated!!!

Hercmech thanks yes its the gun pod

Doogs the preshading looks spot on!

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Posted by Night Fighter Nut on Wednesday, March 2, 2011 5:00 PM

If I remember correctly, the early one had a kind of hump behing the cockpit, the late one had even lines to the fuselage. 

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Posted by Hercmech on Wednesday, March 2, 2011 2:18 PM

I am doing the early one, with the glass nose and both sets of cannons. I prefer the looks of the late model and the kit does come with some of the parts to make the late one, like the diopoles and the solid nose but I don't know what else makes the late model so I am going with the early one. 


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Posted by Night Fighter Nut on Wednesday, March 2, 2011 2:10 PM

Which version of the J1N1 are you going to do?  Early or late?

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Posted by Hercmech on Wednesday, March 2, 2011 12:33 PM

jbrady, Nice job on the cockpit. Nice and subtle shading.

Trey, Love the gun pod (I assume) on the bottom of you A/C

Doggs, Cramping huh? That was one of the main reasons I wanted the Grex...to stop the finger cramping I get with a traditional AB

I have started my J1N1 and will post pictures when I get to a good step to show what I have been doing.


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Posted by Night Fighter Nut on Wednesday, March 2, 2011 10:56 AM

That's good info..  

I believe I will try to finish a plane I started last year but put on hold for some time.  A Fiat CR 42 CN Italian Night Fighter.  I'll submit a photo of where I'm at currently later.  :)

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Posted by DoogsATX on Wednesday, March 2, 2011 10:27 AM

I only really scribe when I'm cleaning up puttied-over panel lines, but I use an old airbrush needle and it seems to work well. Doesn't seem to exhibit the same propensity to slip and take off across that nice, smooth wing the way a #11 or dedicated scriber seem to.

Also...got the Mossie pre-shaded last night. I decided to lay it on pretty heavy since I know the "almost black" is going to have really solid coverage, and it'll be a fine thing to keep from obliterating the pre-shade. Figure the thicker bands might give me a bit more room for error.

Also discovered a downside to the Grex Tritium. That trigger spray is nice, but at the end of the airbrush session my hand was so cramped up that I couldn't grip the garage door tight enough to turn the knob.

 

On the Bench: 1/32 Trumpeter P-47 | 1/32 Hasegawa Bf 109G | 1/144 Eduard MiG-21MF x2

On Deck:  1/350 HMS Dreadnought

Blog/Completed Builds: doogsmodels.com

 

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Posted by Night Fighter Nut on Wednesday, March 2, 2011 10:11 AM

For panel lines, my suggestion would be to put a piece of tape along the line you want to clean out or draw.  This will give you a straight edge to go by and help prevent you from jumping around as a #11 blade tends to do unless you move very slowly and with short strokes.  You can also use a sharpened needle to run along the tape line.  Not straight down but at an angle as if you were pulling the point of the needle back.  Resharpen the needle with a soft stone from time to time to keep it really sharp.  That should help somewhat I think.  :)

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Posted by razordws on Wednesday, March 2, 2011 9:44 AM

TREYZX10R

Gamera thanks,I've got one thats almost identical. I've tried the #11 too just thought maybe there was a better way. My problem is probably technique, the lines are'nt coming out as clean as I would like.

Trey, someone once told me that if you run a bead of Tamiya extra thin glue in the seam after you scribe it it will clean it up nicely.  I've tried it and it works like a charm.

Dave

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Posted by jbrady on Tuesday, March 1, 2011 10:44 PM

treyzx10: I just use an exacto needle punch that I run on a whet stone once in a while. Seems to work just fine.

   

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Posted by TREYZX10R on Tuesday, March 1, 2011 10:31 PM

Gamera thanks,I've got one thats almost identical. I've tried the #11 too just thought maybe there was a better way. My problem is probably technique, the lines are'nt coming out as clean as I would like.

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Posted by Gamera on Tuesday, March 1, 2011 10:11 PM

Jbrady: Looks good to me. The colour on the various knobs and controls make the detail 'pop' for me.

Trey: Great job, wish I could move as fast as you. Btw, Squadron makes a scribing tool but frankly I hardly ever use mine. Good old #11 knife blade is mostly what I use.

 

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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Posted by TREYZX10R on Tuesday, March 1, 2011 9:43 PM

Doogs the primer looks like it laid down nicely !

jbrady that is a sweet lookin office ,the wash looks like it turned out fine to me

I got the primer on and now I'm trying to rescribe some lines.I'm using a curved tip blade thats made for this but do'nt like the results ,anybody have a better way of rescribing?

thanks

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Posted by jbrady on Tuesday, March 1, 2011 8:26 PM

Gregbear: Can you add one more to this build? It's a Tamiya 1/48 BeauFighter MkVI

Got the cockpit and rest of the interior about ready to button up. I'm still new to kit building so I thought I'd try some different things on this one. I gave the interior a very light burnt umber wash then dry brushed with aluminum. I also used the kit supplied decals for the harnesses. I cut them out on the backing paper and used Micro liquid tape to attach them to the seats. Highlighted them with a dark grey wash. Not thrilled with the result but its something different for me.

I did straighten out the seat. Don't know why the main decal on the instrument doesn't show up at all

   

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Posted by Gamera on Tuesday, March 1, 2011 6:58 PM

NFN: Wow, she looks great! Glad I decided to go with the all black Widow, hopefully that will give me some contrast with yours.

Trey: Gee, number three and I'm still bogged down with my first build :( Good stuff!

Doogs: Looking good! Gosh, you're making me want to run out and buy a night fighter 'skitter now...

 

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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Posted by Gregbbear on Tuesday, March 1, 2011 1:40 PM

NFN, awesome work!  That is an inspiring build.  As my kids would say, "you've got epic skills".  I updated the completed build post.  I hope you'll stick around, as we still have a long way to go.

Trey, your third build is already taking shape.  Very impressive.

Doogs, your Mossie looks great.  True that, about smooth primer.  I am about to go check where I shot some on my P-70 yesterday.  I have a feeling it still needs work.

Cheers,

Greg

 

- yat yas!

 

   

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Posted by jbrady on Tuesday, March 1, 2011 1:10 PM

I found the article for color on the early Brit nightfighter camo scheme. I plan on doing this treatment on the Beau fighter I'm working on now. http://www.ipms-belvoir.co.uk/PDF/Beaufighter.pdf

   

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