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The Official F-4 Phantom II Group Build 2011

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Posted by Son Of Medicine Man on Wednesday, June 15, 2011 6:49 PM

Bockscar

Found another one:

http://www.oldmodelkits.com/jpegs/ESCI%208459%20F-4Bicen.JPG

Hi Dom,

Pretty cool looking!

Ken

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Posted by Son Of Medicine Man on Wednesday, June 15, 2011 6:45 PM

jimbot58

 greek spook:

it depends on the production block some aircraft have only one rear view mirror at 12 o'clock position and some other have two mirrors at 10&2 o'clock of the canopy bow

 

Kit instructions on this only call for the one, though three are provided. The other two are marked on the instructions as "Not for use". I haven't looked at the "E", "F", "N", and RF "E" kits in my stash. Wonder how I'm going to simulate a mirror in this scale.....Confused

I have been working bits and pieces on this. All gear and their doors are now installed. As soon as I mount the canopies and their actuators, plus the exhaust cans, the plane itself will be done!

My work has been on those pesky decals that go on the loads from the Hasegawa weapons set. I guess it's never too late for this old dog to learn new tricks. I was trying to get one of those yellow bands on that wrap around the Shrike AGM and it just wasn't behaving. I was using Microset and the decal didn't want to lay down. As soon as I tried to get one end down, the other end popped up. Then I switched to Microsol with disastrous results. The narrow decal shriveled up, the edges curled up and the decal was nothing but a mess! I removed it and tried again. Again the decal didn't want to lay down with just the setting solution as before. Then I thought, maybe if the decal was warmed, it would bend. I used my breath to warm it, (or my breath is just that bad! Smile) and the thing just curved and lay down with hardly any coaxing from me! Never too late to learn!

A picture:

http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/5285/postrl.jpg

The yellow bands are there, they just came out as really washed out by my camera. I have to cut the bands into little pieces on the AGM-78. You can just make out that the one side is done, only 3 sides left to go! The AGM-45 gets a band as well between the fins.

By the way, great looking forward panel there, SOMM! Looks like you should play hookey from work more often!

Jim

Hi Jim,

Thank you for the complement!  Also, very nice job on the decals and thank you for the tip.  I will remember that when it comes time to put mine on!

Ken

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Posted by Bockscar on Wednesday, June 15, 2011 6:30 PM

Found another one:

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Posted by Bockscar on Wednesday, June 15, 2011 5:47 PM

Jim;

 

NoFair teasing like that, canopies on the floor in the background!

Pssssst.....Whisperthose missiles are backwards......Wink

Looking good Jim.......

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Posted by Bockscar on Wednesday, June 15, 2011 5:43 PM

greek spook

That's a pretty nice looking weasel jimbot keep up the good work.I can't remember if the G models had only one.But i can assure you that E models and especially block 48 and later have two mirrors.These birds fly with the Hellenic Airforce and every day i go for exterior inspection i find two of them in the canopy!!!!

Hey GS; have you got one named Ajax?

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Posted by greek spook on Wednesday, June 15, 2011 5:15 PM

That's a pretty nice looking weasel jimbot keep up the good work.I can't remember if the G models had only one.But i can assure you that E models and especially block 48 and later have two mirrors.These birds fly with the Hellenic Airforce and every day i go for exterior inspection i find two of them in the canopy!!!!

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Posted by jimbot58 on Wednesday, June 15, 2011 3:15 AM

P.S. I googled some pictures of G's and almost all the examples I found only had the one mirror.

Berny, glad to hear your feeling better. I had a bit of a intestinal infection some weeks ago and it sucked. I wasn't passing blood, but I had a temp of 101 and a pain in my side like I was stuck with a knife. 10 days of some nasty antibiotics and a bland diet for a while made it better. I did decide to cheat at one point and have some Taco Bell. Bad choice that was!

J.

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Posted by jimbot58 on Wednesday, June 15, 2011 3:06 AM

greek spook

it depends on the production block some aircraft have only one rear view mirror at 12 o'clock position and some other have two mirrors at 10&2 o'clock of the canopy bow

Kit instructions on this only call for the one, though three are provided. The other two are marked on the instructions as "Not for use". I haven't looked at the "E", "F", "N", and RF "E" kits in my stash. Wonder how I'm going to simulate a mirror in this scale.....Confused

I have been working bits and pieces on this. All gear and their doors are now installed. As soon as I mount the canopies and their actuators, plus the exhaust cans, the plane itself will be done!

My work has been on those pesky decals that go on the loads from the Hasegawa weapons set. I guess it's never too late for this old dog to learn new tricks. I was trying to get one of those yellow bands on that wrap around the Shrike AGM and it just wasn't behaving. I was using Microset and the decal didn't want to lay down. As soon as I tried to get one end down, the other end popped up. Then I switched to Microsol with disastrous results. The narrow decal shriveled up, the edges curled up and the decal was nothing but a mess! I removed it and tried again. Again the decal didn't want to lay down with just the setting solution as before. Then I thought, maybe if the decal was warmed, it would bend. I used my breath to warm it, (or my breath is just that bad! Smile) and the thing just curved and lay down with hardly any coaxing from me! Never too late to learn!

A picture:

The yellow bands are there, they just came out as really washed out by my camera. I have to cut the bands into little pieces on the AGM-78. You can just make out that the one side is done, only 3 sides left to go! The AGM-45 gets a band as well between the fins.

By the way, great looking forward panel there, SOMM! Looks like you should play hookey from work more often!

Jim

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Posted by Son Of Medicine Man on Tuesday, June 14, 2011 9:27 PM

Hi Everyone,

The cockpit tub is officially done as far as paint is concerned.  Here is a picture:

The next phase will be to wait for the paint to dry, mask it off, then cut the base off.  Tomorrow night while I am waiting for the paint to dry I will attend to the seats and get them finished.

Ken

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Posted by Son Of Medicine Man on Tuesday, June 14, 2011 9:12 PM

Bockscar

Ken;

Uhhh....I think I saw some of those dials moving man.....

Thank you Dom for the compliment, I really appreciate it.

Ken

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Posted by Son Of Medicine Man on Tuesday, June 14, 2011 9:10 PM

berny13

 

Ken, that is an excellent job.  I wish my hands were steady enough to do that kind of work.

Thank you Berny for the compliment!  It means a lot coming from you because this bird is dedicated to you!

Ken

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Posted by Sparrowhyperion on Tuesday, June 14, 2011 9:09 PM

Berny!  It's good to hear from you.  Soft diets are no fun.  I have an ulcer that bleeds sometimes and all I can eat is the blandest and softest of food.  The man who invents the burrito that doesn't give you heartburn will make a fortune.

Progress on 69-260 is moving along at a leisurely pace.  The body is assembled, i have the Aires cans ready to install after painting.  And I am now prepping her for the first outside painting.  I never put on gear until after primary paint.  Same for stores.  The fitting of the resin intakes came out better than my FGR.2 and so did the cockpit. lol.  It won't be long now before I will be finishing her up.  I am going to try and get some primer on her by the weekend.

Get some rest, enjoy the week and weekend, stop chasing women and stay away from the burritoes. lol

Rich

 

berny13

Sorry I haven't posted lately, but I just got out of the hospital today.  I was passing blood so I went ot the ER and was admitted.  I went through many test and it was found I had an infection in my colon.  After some strong antibiotics and just about starved to death I was released today.  Every thing is fine now except I am on a soft diet.

Rich, glad you got the ECM pods.  They mound directly to the inboard pylons.  An adapter is needed only if carried in the forward missile wells.

Ken, it may be some time before I get your ECM pod in the mail.  With some of the meds I am on now it will be some time before I can drive.  I'll get it packaged up and maybe my wife can take it to the post office.

The aux air doors were electrical controled hydraulically actuated.  They would be open when ever the gear was down or infligh when an engine bay over pressure occured.  In that case they would only open a crack to dump pressure.  Anytime hydraulic pressure was applied on the ground, if there was a loss of power, the aux air doors would slam closed.  That is why a safety strut was used to keep them open.     

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Posted by Bockscar on Tuesday, June 14, 2011 9:02 PM

Ken;

Uhhh....I think I saw some of those dials moving man.....

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Posted by Son Of Medicine Man on Tuesday, June 14, 2011 8:59 PM

berny13

Sorry I haven't posted lately, but I just got out of the hospital today.  I was passing blood so I went ot the ER and was admitted.  I went through many test and it was found I had an infection in my colon.  After some strong antibiotics and just about starved to death I was released today.  Every thing is fine now except I am on a soft diet.

Rich, glad you got the ECM pods.  They mound directly to the inboard pylons.  An adapter is needed only if carried in the forward missile wells.

Ken, it may be some time before I get your ECM pod in the mail.  With some of the meds I am on now it will be some time before I can drive.  I'll get it packaged up and maybe my wife can take it to the post office.

The aux air doors were electrical controled hydraulically actuated.  They would be open when ever the gear was down or infligh when an engine bay over pressure occured.  In that case they would only open a crack to dump pressure.  Anytime hydraulic pressure was applied on the ground, if there was a loss of power, the aux air doors would slam closed.  That is why a safety strut was used to keep them open.     

Hi Berny!!!

Really glad to hear from you again!  I hope you start feeling better real soon.  No problem on that pod, it will be a little bit before I am ready for it anyway.  When ever you are up to it, no rush at all.

Ken

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Posted by Bockscar on Tuesday, June 14, 2011 8:47 PM

Hey Berny;

I hope you are feeling a bit better. Vanilla rice puddin' for breakfast?

Yeah noticed the insides of those doors were painted red, wouldn't want to be around those slamming closed.

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Posted by berny13 on Tuesday, June 14, 2011 8:44 PM

Son Of Medicine Man

Greetings Everyone!

I took today off from work and spent the entire day working on the front console of the cockpit.  It took me quite a few shots with the camera to get some half way decent ones.  Here they are:

http://i1143.photobucket.com/albums/n625/Fooser_Ken/100_4559.jpg

 

http://i1143.photobucket.com/albums/n625/Fooser_Ken/100_4568.jpg

 

In this shot you can see the reflection from the Future that I applied to the dials on the photo etch to give it a glass look (the upper section dials with the black background was done with paint):

http://i1143.photobucket.com/albums/n625/Fooser_Ken/100_4574.jpg

 

Ken

Ken, that is an excellent job.  I wish my hands were steady enough to do that kind of work.

Berny

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TF-102A Delta Dagger, 32nd FIS, 54-1370, 1/48 scale. Monogram Pro Modeler with C&H conversion.  

Revell F-4E Phantom II 33rd TFW, 58th TFS, 69-260, 1/32 scale. 

Tamiya F-4D Phantom II, 13th TFS, 66-8711, 1/32 scale.  F-4 Phantom Group Build. 

 

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Posted by berny13 on Tuesday, June 14, 2011 8:39 PM

Sorry I haven't posted lately, but I just got out of the hospital today.  I was passing blood so I went ot the ER and was admitted.  I went through many test and it was found I had an infection in my colon.  After some strong antibiotics and just about starved to death I was released today.  Every thing is fine now except I am on a soft diet.

Rich, glad you got the ECM pods.  They mound directly to the inboard pylons.  An adapter is needed only if carried in the forward missile wells.

Ken, it may be some time before I get your ECM pod in the mail.  With some of the meds I am on now it will be some time before I can drive.  I'll get it packaged up and maybe my wife can take it to the post office.

The aux air doors were electrical controled hydraulically actuated.  They would be open when ever the gear was down or infligh when an engine bay over pressure occured.  In that case they would only open a crack to dump pressure.  Anytime hydraulic pressure was applied on the ground, if there was a loss of power, the aux air doors would slam closed.  That is why a safety strut was used to keep them open.     

Berny

 Phormer Phantom Phixer

On the bench

TF-102A Delta Dagger, 32nd FIS, 54-1370, 1/48 scale. Monogram Pro Modeler with C&H conversion.  

Revell F-4E Phantom II 33rd TFW, 58th TFS, 69-260, 1/32 scale. 

Tamiya F-4D Phantom II, 13th TFS, 66-8711, 1/32 scale.  F-4 Phantom Group Build. 

 

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Posted by greek spook on Tuesday, June 14, 2011 2:53 PM

it depends on the production block some aircraft have only one rear view mirror at 12 o'clock position and some other have two mirrors at 10&2 o'clock of the canopy bow

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Posted by paintsniffer on Tuesday, June 14, 2011 1:06 PM

Thunderbolt379

JB -- I'm prertty sure it's a rear view mirror, which appeared on some (later?) aircraft.

M/TB379

 

It is.. I think there are actually 2 of them, at about the 10:00 and 2:00 position on the canopy.

Excuse me.. Is that an Uzi?

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Posted by Thunderbolt379 on Tuesday, June 14, 2011 8:20 AM

JB -- I'm prertty sure it's a rear view mirror, which appeared on some (later?) aircraft.

M/TB379

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Posted by jimbot58 on Tuesday, June 14, 2011 4:05 AM

I have a quick question: In the instructions below, there is this little wedge-shape part that is to be attached to the top of the WSO's canopy. What the heck is it, and how is it painted? Is it a prism, a mirror, a spoiler, a periscope? (LOL)?

It is labeled as "W-11"

Thanks!

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The Official F-4 Phantom II Group Build 2011
Posted by TarnShip on Monday, June 13, 2011 11:27 PM

I went to look at Hobby search

I clicked on the 1/48 sets and they don't seem to have the instructions sheets posted,,,,,they do for the 1/72 kits I checked on though

http://www.1999.co.jp/search_e.asp?Typ1_c=102&scope=1&scope2=0&itkey=Hasegawa+weapons

just click on the product picture,,,,,and click on the little contents thumbnails,,,,,,,,you'll see how to do the rest of it then

Rex

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Posted by Sparrowhyperion on Monday, June 13, 2011 9:00 PM

Hi All.

 

I really need a bit of help.  I have some of those Hasegawa Weapons kits, but they didn't come with any placement or painting guide.  I was wondering if anyone knew of a visual reference which showed each of the different kinds of ordinance, with appropriate markings and paint?  I thought I saw something like that here, but I can't even remember if it was in this thread.  I also posted this in the reference material forumbut that forum doesn't seem to get much use so I thought I better ask here as well.

 

Thanks.

Rich

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Posted by Son Of Medicine Man on Monday, June 13, 2011 8:23 PM

Greetings Everyone!

I took today off from work and spent the entire day working on the front console of the cockpit.  It took me quite a few shots with the camera to get some half way decent ones.  Here they are:

 

 

In this shot you can see the reflection from the Future that I applied to the dials on the photo etch to give it a glass look (the upper section dials with the black background was done with paint):

 

Ken

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Posted by Bockscar on Sunday, June 12, 2011 3:17 PM

Sparrowhyperion

Bass is an Ale.  Not a Beer.  There is a difference.  Bass is imported from the UK.  It's made to be drunk warm.  Try it some time.

 

 

 lewbud:

 

 

 Sparrowhyperion:

 

While in England on vacation back in 86, I grew fond of Bass Ale.  I was staying with friends in Burrton on Trent.  That's where they manufacture it.  I just loved the brewery tour. lol  But you HAVE to drink it warm.

 

 

Warm beer DOES NOT compute! Danger Will Robinson! Danger! Danger!  I normally don't drink but when I do, it's beer and it's free (unless it's Bud Light, then I just say no).  Beverage of choice is RC Cola, followed by Coke, followed by unsweetened ice tea (if God wanted it sweet, he would have made it that way), followed by good ol' H2O.

 

 

Lagers, pilsners, bocks (my personal favryt), malt liquor, uhhhh......warm.....cold....tepid......bring it on.....BeerBeerBeerYesCool

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Posted by Sparrowhyperion on Sunday, June 12, 2011 2:40 PM

Bass is an Ale.  Not a Beer.  There is a difference.  Bass is imported from the UK.  It's made to be drunk warm.  Try it some time.

 

lewbud

 

 Sparrowhyperion:

 

While in England on vacation back in 86, I grew fond of Bass Ale.  I was staying with friends in Burrton on Trent.  That's where they manufacture it.  I just loved the brewery tour. lol  But you HAVE to drink it warm.

 

 

Warm beer DOES NOT compute! Danger Will Robinson! Danger! Danger!  I normally don't drink but when I do, it's beer and it's free (unless it's Bud Light, then I just say no).  Beverage of choice is RC Cola, followed by Coke, followed by unsweetened ice tea (if God wanted it sweet, he would have made it that way), followed by good ol' H2O.

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Posted by lewbud on Sunday, June 12, 2011 2:33 PM

Sparrowhyperion

While in England on vacation back in 86, I grew fond of Bass Ale.  I was staying with friends in Burrton on Trent.  That's where they manufacture it.  I just loved the brewery tour. lol  But you HAVE to drink it warm.

Warm beer DOES NOT compute! Danger Will Robinson! Danger! Danger!  I normally don't drink but when I do, it's beer and it's free (unless it's Bud Light, then I just say no).  Beverage of choice is RC Cola, followed by Coke, followed by unsweetened ice tea (if God wanted it sweet, he would have made it that way), followed by good ol' H2O.

Buddy- Those who say there are no stupid questions have never worked in customer service.

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Posted by greek spook on Sunday, June 12, 2011 1:22 PM

As it is written on the aircraft's flight manual the aux air doors air open any time the landing gear is down(specificaly anytime the landing gear handle is down) and during airborn they open instantly to relief excess pressure in the engine compartment.From fotos and also from a close look they are hinged internally with actuators aproximately in the middle of the door but it is roughly visible even in the real thing......

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Posted by Bockscar on Sunday, June 12, 2011 1:00 PM

Son Of Medicine Man

 

 Bockscar:

 

Ken;

man that is persnickity painting, patience, loupe, or both?

 

 

Hi Dom,

Thank you for the compliment!  Yes, I would say a little of both.  It does help having "The Modern Phantom Guide" to use as a reference while painting.

Ken

I like that 'luxury' diamond pattern padding, or prawley just aluminum pertendin'...lol...that could save you from a bruise!

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Posted by Son Of Medicine Man on Sunday, June 12, 2011 9:08 AM

Bockscar

Ken;

man that is persnickity painting, patience, loupe, or both?

Hi Dom,

Thank you for the compliment!  Yes, I would say a little of both.  It does help having "The Modern Phantom Guide" to use as a reference while painting.

Ken

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