The Official F-4 Phantom II Group Build 2011

Okay, no more Schnapps for Dom, his brain has shrunk to childish dimensions......amused by childish things......and in the morning, Rex will be the one laughin'nn.....

Well, you'll be laughin when you see the paper intake ducts........lol....

...gosh, 'small pod'....never knew what she was talking about......lol.......

My drink? Nothing more than Diet Coke and ice tea these days. It used to be beer with occasional harder stuff mixed in, but some personal issues made me decide that alcohol was something best avoided by me. It actually will be 10 years towards the end of this year and not so much as a drop.

I don't degrade anybody else who enjoys it, it was just something I felt I needed to do.  I believe I was headed to a bad place at the time.

I almost needed to drink after tonight's little project! I I finished adding belts to the seats and cut tiny little bits of PE fret for buckles!

Are they perfect? No. Are they accurate? Probably not. Do they even match? I hope not! Do I care? Not really. Do they add a bit more realism to my otherwise OOB build? Certainly! I am actually surprised they look better that I thought they would! A coat of Dullcoat sealed everything and covered the visible drops of CA I used to hold everything in place.

TarnShip

yeah, Paintsniffer, your pod looks a little small,,,,,,the links I posted have dimensions on some of them,,,,,looks like you could possibly start with some left over rocket pod bodies, and glue enough together and attach end caps to that,,,,,,,sand and smooth, add the hatches,,,,,,in 1/72 scale, rocket pod parts accumulate like ants on sugar,,,you probably have a few hundred of them, lol

Rex

After looking at the photos you posted I agree fully. I will dig around in my spares, I am sure I have something a little shorter, fatter, and pointier on the ends.

I live about 175 miles from it.  I was thinking of going down to see it this summer at some point.  I've never been there before, and I think my Daughter would get a huge kick out of it.

Rich

Son Of Medicine Man

 

berny13:

 

 

Son Of Medicine Man:

Hi Berny,

I am just curious.  Have you ever had a chance to visit the National Museum of the US Air Force in Dayton Ohio?

Ken

 

 

Yes I have.  Several times.  I have also visited the Navy Museum in Pensacola.

I drink very seldom, but when I do I like beer with pizza and Mexican food.  Every so often I will have a Canadian Club when I feel a chill or cold coming on. 

Some very nice work going on.  A lot of you are really turning out some great looking cockpits and aircraft.

 

 

Hi Berny,

Very cool.  When was the last time you visited?  They are having a special commemoration of the 50th anniversary of the Southeast Asia War this year.  Here is a link:

http://www.nationalmuseum.af.mil/sea.asp

I am pretty lucky to live close enough to visit it on a semi regular basis.  I went twice last year and stayed in Dayton each time for three days.  I still didn't get to see as much as I wanted to.  I want to go again and take a camera with a better flash.  That is the only complaint I have is that it is a little dark on the inside.  The pictures I took were okay when I took a close up, but any that were of the entire plane came out bright on the parts closest to me but the rest of the aircraft looked dark.

 

Ken

Bockscar

Hey, plenty 'a room in the F-4 tree fort pal, by the way, nice Crusader. Dumb question 'Sniff: is that shelving hurricane standard or what, man, those planes think they really are on an aircraft carrier...lol....

they might think they are on a ship, I even have ground equipment. 

I use a program called Paint Shop Pro Photo X3.  It used to be put out by a company called JASC, but Corel bought it out from them a few years back.  It's capable of doing just about anything Photo Shop can, but at 1/10 the price.  And when Corel bought it, they added a lot of new functionality to it which is intended to make it the best software out there for cleaning up  photos and fixing uneven light issues.  I have a little 14MP sanyo, and it does a great job, but I often need to fix lighting problems or enhance detail.  It does a great job at both.  You should give it a try.

Rich

Thunderbolt379

Ken -- I had the same problem at the RAF Museum, Hendon -- big planes in dim light. My flash doesn't reach very far at the best of times, so my solution was to shoot without flash but make darn sure the camera was supported, like on top of a post or against a vertical support. That way each photograph was essentially a time exposure, and the colours came up quite rich. A tripod would be the best solution, of course, and you look like a real photographer carting one around, maybe with a cable shutter release -- if your digital is equipped for it, mine isn't...

Cheers, M/TB379

Great work on those!   Even OOB seats can be souped up with the right amount of PE fret.

Rich

jimbot58

My drink? Nothing more than Diet Coke and ice tea these days. It used to be beer with occasional harder stuff mixed in, but some personal issues made me decide that alcohol was something best avoided by me. It actually will be 10 years towards the end of this year and not so much as a drop.

I don't degrade anybody else who enjoys it, it was just something I felt I needed to do.  I believe I was headed to a bad place at the time.

I almost needed to drink after tonight's little project! I I finished adding belts to the seats and cut tiny little bits of PE fret for buckles!

Are they perfect? No. Are they accurate? Probably not. Do they even match? I hope not! Do I care? Not really. Do they add a bit more realism to my otherwise OOB build? Certainly! I am actually surprised they look better that I thought they would! A coat of Dullcoat sealed everything and covered the visible drops of CA I used to hold everything in place.

has anyone got any pics of seated f-4 pilots all strapped in? i need to scratch some belts while using the aires PE buckles and are not sure how to set the leg straps and the straps that come out of the recession inbetween the backrest and headrest.

Thanks

Hi Everyone,

I just found something that some of you might be interested in.  It is a set of auxiliary air intakes for the F-4E/F Phantom.  They are made by Aires to fit the 1/48 Hasegawa kits.  Here is a link to a review:

http://web.ipmsusa3.org/content/f-4ef-phantom-ii-auxiliary-air-intake 

Ken

Son Of Medicine Man

Hi Everyone,

I just found something that some of you might be interested in.  It is a set of auxiliary air intakes for the F-4E/F Phantom.  They are made by Aires to fit the 1/48 Hasegawa kits.  Here is a link to a review:

http://web.ipmsusa3.org/content/f-4ef-phantom-ii-auxiliary-air-intake 

Ken

Ken;

Do those little doors hinge down from the back, I can't figure out how those work. Looks like a bit of cut 'n paste, but the fact they put the ducts in would add a lot of detail.

Okay, What is the bucket for...?

jimbot58

My drink? Nothing more than Diet Coke and ice tea these days. It used to be beer with occasional harder stuff mixed in, but some personal issues made me decide that alcohol was something best avoided by me. It actually will be 10 years towards the end of this year and not so much as a drop.

I don't degrade anybody else who enjoys it, it was just something I felt I needed to do.  I believe I was headed to a bad place at the time.

I almost needed to drink after tonight's little project! I I finished adding belts to the seats and cut tiny little bits of PE fret for buckles!

Are they perfect? No. Are they accurate? Probably not. Do they even match? I hope not! Do I care? Not really. Do they add a bit more realism to my otherwise OOB build? Certainly! I am actually surprised they look better that I thought they would! A coat of Dullcoat sealed everything and covered the visible drops of CA I used to hold everything in place.

As for drinks, you've got the right idea. Inspite of my occasional Friday Night Fever, I've been slowly moving back to tt,  coffee is the King in my life now. 

Dumb question for yeah Jim, why is it the tape and seats seem to be floating on silver or mercury, am I looking at a piece of silver painted wood?

Bockscar

Okay, What is the bucket for...?

Good question. It was late at night, and I found that in the spares box. That's pretty much how all that stuff made it on there.

Bockscar

 

jimbot58:

 

My drink? Nothing more than Diet Coke and ice tea these days. It used to be beer with occasional harder stuff mixed in, but some personal issues made me decide that alcohol was something best avoided by me. It actually will be 10 years towards the end of this year and not so much as a drop.

I don't degrade anybody else who enjoys it, it was just something I felt I needed to do.  I believe I was headed to a bad place at the time.

I almost needed to drink after tonight's little project! I I finished adding belts to the seats and cut tiny little bits of PE fret for buckles!

Are they perfect? No. Are they accurate? Probably not. Do they even match? I hope not! Do I care? Not really. Do they add a bit more realism to my otherwise OOB build? Certainly! I am actually surprised they look better that I thought they would! A coat of Dullcoat sealed everything and covered the visible drops of CA I used to hold everything in place.

 

That's so tiny my eyes want to hurt looking at it! 

 

As for drinks, you've got the right idea. Inspite of my occasional Friday Night Fever, I've been slowly moving back to tt,  coffee is the King in my life now. 

Dumb question for yeah Jim, why is it the tape and seats seem to be floating on silver or mercury, am I looking at a piece of silver painted wood?

What you're seeing is actually a block of balsa wood that I use as a sort of work stand. I bought a bag of balsa wood years ago that had a bunch of various pieces and had three of these blocks about 4 inches square and maybe 2 inches thick. Never really found a use for most of it but these blocks. I usually mount tape sticky side up so I can tack parts to it for painting (the blue) or if I paint small items I use little clips attached to toothpicks stabbed into the soft wood. This one I clearcoated for some reason, and it also has shades of some of the painted over sprayed on to it. That's the glossy sheen you see there.

Bockscar

 

Son Of Medicine Man:

 

Hi Everyone,

I just found something that some of you might be interested in.  It is a set of auxiliary air intakes for the F-4E/F Phantom.  They are made by Aires to fit the 1/48 Hasegawa kits.  Here is a link to a review:

http://web.ipmsusa3.org/content/f-4ef-phantom-ii-auxiliary-air-intake 

Ken

 

 

Ken;

Do those little doors hinge down from the back, I can't figure out how those work. Looks like a bit of cut 'n paste, but the fact they put the ducts in would add a lot of detail.

Bockscar, they hinge along the middle, leaving the open ends facing the main gear

Rex

TarnShip

 

Bockscar:

 

 

Son Of Medicine Man:

 

Hi Everyone,

I just found something that some of you might be interested in.  It is a set of auxiliary air intakes for the F-4E/F Phantom.  They are made by Aires to fit the 1/48 Hasegawa kits.  Here is a link to a review:

http://web.ipmsusa3.org/content/f-4ef-phantom-ii-auxiliary-air-intake 

Ken

 

 

Ken;

Do those little doors hinge down from the back, I can't figure out how those work. Looks like a bit of cut 'n paste, but the fact they put the ducts in would add a lot of detail.

 

 

 

Bockscar, they hinge along the middle, leaving the open ends facing the main gear

Rex

by the way, do they have some kind of operational limit, if they are used for an auxillary turbine etc, only on start up, or can they be used at any speed?

Bockscar

Son Of Medicine Man:

Hi Everyone,

I just found something that some of you might be interested in.  It is a set of auxiliary air intakes for the F-4E/F Phantom.  They are made by Aires to fit the 1/48 Hasegawa kits.  Here is a link to a review:

http://web.ipmsusa3.org/content/f-4ef-phantom-ii-auxiliary-air-intake 

Ken

 

Ken;

Do those little doors hinge down from the back, I can't figure out how those work. Looks like a bit of cut 'n paste, but the fact they put the ducts in would add a lot of detail.

Hi Dom,

The doors hinge along the centerline and open away from the wing tips towards the center.  Here is a link to a picture:

http://www.aircraftresourcecenter.com/AWA1/101-200/walk133_F4F_phantom/images/Mvc-0062.jpg 

Ken

Hi all.  Berny, thanks!  The pods came in the mail today.  One question.  What mounting hardware do they use?  Do you have a pic of them mounted on their pylon? 

Have a great weekend.

Rich

Bockscar

TarnShip:

 

Bockscar:

 

 

Son Of Medicine Man:

 

Hi Everyone,

I just found something that some of you might be interested in.  It is a set of auxiliary air intakes for the F-4E/F Phantom.  They are made by Aires to fit the 1/48 Hasegawa kits.  Here is a link to a review:

http://web.ipmsusa3.org/content/f-4ef-phantom-ii-auxiliary-air-intake 

Ken

 

 

Ken;

Do those little doors hinge down from the back, I can't figure out how those work. Looks like a bit of cut 'n paste, but the fact they put the ducts in would add a lot of detail.

 

 

 

Bockscar, they hinge along the middle, leaving the open ends facing the main gear

Rex

 

Thanks Rex;

by the way, do they have some kind of operational limit, if they are used for an auxillary turbine etc, only on start up, or can they be used at any speed?

 

Hi Dom,

This is a quote from "The Modern Phantom Guide":

"Aft of the starter connection/exhaust doors are the auxiliary air doors.  These doors are designed to open to vent excess air from the engine bellows overboard, as well as to allow cooling air to reach the engine during ground operations and/or slow speed.  The doors are nearly always open when the jet is on the ground, and typically secured by a safety pin once the jet is parked.  As soon as the engines are started and the generators come online, the doors snap closed, then slowly open again as required."

Ken

Ken:    Thanks for the info. 

Rex:   Hey the insides were red, thanks as well.

Somewhere last night I actually found time to cut the final patterns for the ducts:

One card is the medial bulkhead to support the duct from the fuselage side, the other serves as a floor bulkhead to support from below:

That's the paper duct in place:

Now I'll transfer onto the lumber and cut the 'kit' tonight.

So that's the ground work for the burners and intakes, maybe a bit on the cockpit, not sure yet, but it is ugly.

Hi Dom,

That is some extreme scratch building!!  Looking really good so far! 

Ken

Son Of Medicine Man

Hi Dom,

That is some extreme scratch building!!  Looking really good so far! 

Ken

"The Proof will be in the Plastic"...we'll see...lol...

Hi Everyone,

Here is what I have done so far:

I am taking the rest of tonight off from modeling to visit with a good friend of mine.  I will chat with everyone later.

Ken

Ken;

man that is persnickity painting, patience, loupe, or both?

Bockscar

Ken;

man that is persnickity painting, patience, loupe, or both?

Hi Dom,

Thank you for the compliment!  Yes, I would say a little of both.  It does help having "The Modern Phantom Guide" to use as a reference while painting.

Ken

Son Of Medicine Man

 

Bockscar:

 

Ken;

man that is persnickity painting, patience, loupe, or both?

 

 

Hi Dom,

Thank you for the compliment!  Yes, I would say a little of both.  It does help having "The Modern Phantom Guide" to use as a reference while painting.

Ken

I like that 'luxury' diamond pattern padding, or prawley just aluminum pertendin'...lol...that could save you from a bruise!

As it is written on the aircraft's flight manual the aux air doors air open any time the landing gear is down(specificaly anytime the landing gear handle is down) and during airborn they open instantly to relief excess pressure in the engine compartment.From fotos and also from a close look they are hinged internally with actuators aproximately in the middle of the door but it is roughly visible even in the real thing......

Sparrowhyperion

While in England on vacation back in 86, I grew fond of Bass Ale.  I was staying with friends in Burrton on Trent.  That's where they manufacture it.  I just loved the brewery tour. lol  But you HAVE to drink it warm.

Warm beer DOES NOT compute! Danger Will Robinson! Danger! Danger!  I normally don't drink but when I do, it's beer and it's free (unless it's Bud Light, then I just say no).  Beverage of choice is RC Cola, followed by Coke, followed by unsweetened ice tea (if God wanted it sweet, he would have made it that way), followed by good ol' H2O.

Bass is an Ale.  Not a Beer.  There is a difference.  Bass is imported from the UK.  It's made to be drunk warm.  Try it some time.

lewbud

 

Sparrowhyperion:

 

While in England on vacation back in 86, I grew fond of Bass Ale.  I was staying with friends in Burrton on Trent.  That's where they manufacture it.  I just loved the brewery tour. lol  But you HAVE to drink it warm.

 

 

Warm beer DOES NOT compute! Danger Will Robinson! Danger! Danger!  I normally don't drink but when I do, it's beer and it's free (unless it's Bud Light, then I just say no).  Beverage of choice is RC Cola, followed by Coke, followed by unsweetened ice tea (if God wanted it sweet, he would have made it that way), followed by good ol' H2O.

Sparrowhyperion

Bass is an Ale.  Not a Beer.  There is a difference.  Bass is imported from the UK.  It's made to be drunk warm.  Try it some time.

 

 

lewbud:

 

 

Sparrowhyperion:

 

While in England on vacation back in 86, I grew fond of Bass Ale.  I was staying with friends in Burrton on Trent.  That's where they manufacture it.  I just loved the brewery tour. lol  But you HAVE to drink it warm.

 

 

Warm beer DOES NOT compute! Danger Will Robinson! Danger! Danger!  I normally don't drink but when I do, it's beer and it's free (unless it's Bud Light, then I just say no).  Beverage of choice is RC Cola, followed by Coke, followed by unsweetened ice tea (if God wanted it sweet, he would have made it that way), followed by good ol' H2O.