Falklands/Malvinas War 30th Anniversary GB

USAFSPOOK

For those of you working on Sea Harriers, those in EDSG over white had the white overpainted by hand on the trip south.  I believe someone else pointed this out earlier on this site.  If you look closely at photos, one can see the difference in the paint used on the undersides and in covering squadron/national markings and titles.  Do not know if it would be noticed in 1/72 scale though.  

Dupes that is a good looking model, no surprise from you. I really look forward to learning from you on the finishes. I'm going to add that I would expect the guys to be bundled up like eskimos.

Everyone, good progress.

USAFSPOOK

For those of you working on Sea Harriers, those in EDSG over white had the white overpainted by hand on the trip south.  I believe someone else pointed this out earlier on this site.  If you look closely at photos, one can see the difference in the paint used on the undersides and in covering squadron/national markings and titles.  Do not know if it would be noticed in 1/72 scale though.  

I remember a mention of the squadron insignias being overpainted & still slightly visible. At 1/72 scale.... hmm, not sure. I may try to replicate that at the primer stage, see how much of a difference it makes.

bsyamato  You will notice a number of people on here do paint the tracks after they have been attached. I am not one of them, but there are a few who do it like that.

SPOOKS  Don't the helmits on those figues have a one piece outer shell. I know thye ones we have now are like that and i have never seen anything different.

dupes

Ooooh, broken hand, Bish? Doesn't sound like much fun to me...

As for me - FINALLY got a card reader, so it looks like I'm back in the picture biz! First off, a couple of where I'm at with the Scimitar:

 

Dupes i'm not expert in armor build, but you put on the tracks before paint it?

Azorean nice scratch on the twin like

For those of you working on Sea Harriers, those in EDSG over white had the white overpainted by hand on the trip south.  I believe someone else pointed this out earlier on this site.  If you look closely at photos, one can see the difference in the paint used on the undersides and in covering squadron/national markings and titles.  Do not know if it would be noticed in 1/72 scale though.  

dupes

Ooooh, broken hand, Bish? Doesn't sound like much fun to me...

As for me - FINALLY got a card reader, so it looks like I'm back in the picture biz! First off, a couple of where I'm at with the Scimitar:

The second one has the fig I'd like to use with the build if it looks like he could be convincing enough for the time frame? The rest of the set:

and a closeup of the character I'm shooting for:

Those of you 'in the know' - think he's a go?

The twin is coming along nicely. Some nice scratch building there as well.

Dupes,

Your Scimitar is looking good.

My Twin is going.

The seats and the belts are going to.

I did sand this two holes that only exist and the left side of the fuselage.

The cargo floor is done

Ye, its a right pain in the ...,.., hand.

#Scimiter looks well nice mate, good to see some more of your work.

As for the figure, the helimit is fine. The shirt though implies warm weather, open at the nect, nothing underneath, and look like a thin shirt and not a jacket. So its a tough one. Those wagons ain't heated, but seeing as he is in the turret, sheltered from the weather, you could get away with it.

Ooooh, broken hand, Bish? Doesn't sound like much fun to me...

As for me - FINALLY got a card reader, so it looks like I'm back in the picture biz! First off, a couple of where I'm at with the Scimitar:

The second one has the fig I'd like to use with the build if it looks like he could be convincing enough for the time frame? The rest of the set:

and a closeup of the character I'm shooting for:

Those of you 'in the know' - think he's a go?

LOL, i mean Mrs as in furure wife. Least i hope she is going to be.

I wasn't in the Falklands when i broke it. I started back to work in the UK on Monday and broke it on Wedensday, good start. No more hooking for me for a while.

bsyamato

 

el_jere:

 

 

bsyamato:

 

Some update on sue..

 

 

Great progress on that SUE my friend! it´nice to see it progress. I by the other hand made very few advances on mine, I hope to post something this weekend.

I just see that you use Humbrol enamels, the 125 with a few drops of blue will be almost an exact match to the Argentinian planes.

Did you get th aftermarkt decals? remeber that the kit decals are totally wrong.

If you plan to mount the exocet missile, be aware (when you drill for he cannons) that you don´t need to put the cannon brels becase those were removed when a exocet was mounted.

best regards

Jere

 

 

but holes needed on cannons housing? or without are covered with some cap?

For colors i don't have the 125 lots of colors but none 125, i'm thinking to mix the 144 or the 77 and make it lighter, from some picture i see colors are very consumed but probably after falklands conflict.

here the picture of individual 04 .. that have a sinking mark or something like that.

Speed up on the sue because actually too traffic on the workbench, and want to see a finished one

probably will my first finished kit for a GB!

What's up at your hand Bish? 

for decals I bought a super etendard from airfix (for 3€) and steal the needed decals from his decals sheet

Bad things bish about your wrist, but can be opportunity to improve left movements

Bish

Thanks bondo. Will just have to use the time best i can doing research on future builds. Its Fri here as well, so enjoying an evening in with the Mrs after being away all week. I'll hoist a coffee or two this end.

Really, a good time to do a lot of research and rekindle that modeling desire. Hope alls well quickly. HBTW sorry it's at your expense, but it's kinda cool to know a Brit soldier who broke his arm working a big hook on the Falklands. Take care.

Thanks bondo. Will just have to use the time best i can doing research on future builds. Its Fri here as well, so enjoying an evening in with the Mrs after being away all week. I'll hoist a coffee or two this end.

Tough luck, lad. Sorry to hear that. Hope you can still hoist a lager- it's Friday hereabouts!

I did try cutting some PE free fr my 17, but its just not happening and i don't want to bugger it up. But good idea on the paper plands, will get some printed off tomorrow.

Bish

LOL Vance, i think if i had deployments would be the lest of my worries.

When i went into work on Mon i found out i was down for the Falklands April till August. But this would have left ,me less than 3 months to sort my life before getting out, and i had ask for the Dec to April deployment. Not that i like being away, but i am hopeing to get married next year and the deployment would have paid for it. Now they have re done the deployments and i aint down for any.

As for the caiste, i was hokking up a chinook on Wed, and as i was backing out i lost my fotting and well back and broke my wrist. Not sure if one has anything to do with the other. Guess i will just make the most of it and look forward to civvie street.

Ouch - tough break Bish, that will slow down the building for sure - you may be able to attempt that paper Horten model using only the left hand, could help the motor skills!

LOL Vance, i think if i had deployments would be the lest of my worries.

When i went into work on Mon i found out i was down for the Falklands April till August. But this would have left ,me less than 3 months to sort my life before getting out, and i had ask for the Dec to April deployment. Not that i like being away, but i am hopeing to get married next year and the deployment would have paid for it. Now they have re done the deployments and i aint down for any.

As for the caiste, i was hokking up a chinook on Wed, and as i was backing out i lost my fotting and well back and broke my wrist. Not sure if one has anything to do with the other. Guess i will just make the most of it and look forward to civvie street.

el_jere

 

bsyamato:

 

Some update on sue..

 

 

Great progress on that SUE my friend! it´nice to see it progress. I by the other hand made very few advances on mine, I hope to post something this weekend.

I just see that you use Humbrol enamels, the 125 with a few drops of blue will be almost an exact match to the Argentinian planes.

Did you get th aftermarkt decals? remeber that the kit decals are totally wrong.

If you plan to mount the exocet missile, be aware (when you drill for he cannons) that you don´t need to put the cannon brels becase those were removed when a exocet was mounted.

best regards

Jere

but holes needed on cannons housing? or without are covered with some cap?

For colors i don't have the 125 lots of colors but none 125, i'm thinking to mix the 144 or the 77 and make it lighter, from some picture i see colors are very consumed but probably after falklands conflict.

here the picture of individual 04 .. that have a sinking mark or something like that.

Speed up on the sue because actually too traffic on the workbench, and want to see a finished one

probably will my first finished kit for a GB!

What's up at your hand Bish? 

Bish

bsyamato  nice progress, that is coming on nicely.

bondo, that would make sense, as i said before, i am guessing the aircraft sent down for the campaign were hastyly painted all over EDSG but after that they switched to DSG.

Just found out it doesn't look like i will be deploying to the Falklands again. In fact looks like my last trip was my last ever deployment. Bit of a double edged sword, but means means i will have more chance to gte some models done. Though that has sort of been cancelled out by me now having my right hand in plaster for upto 8 weeks, so thats set me back a bit. So probably won't get started on my Chinook till Oct ish.

No more deployments... hand in a cast... You decked one of your superiors didn't you?!

bsyamato  nice progress, that is coming on nicely.

bondo, that would make sense, as i said before, i am guessing the aircraft sent down for the campaign were hastyly painted all over EDSG but after that they switched to DSG.

Just found out it doesn't look like i will be deploying to the Falklands again. In fact looks like my last trip was my last ever deployment. Bit of a double edged sword, but means means i will have more chance to gte some models done. Though that has sort of been cancelled out by me now having my right hand in plaster for upto 8 weeks, so thats set me back a bit. So probably won't get started on my Chinook till Oct ish.

Bish

It is also interesting that he notes the colour applied after the Falklands being slightly lighter than the one applied on the way South. This i think would suggest that after the war they were re-painted possably DSG, hence explaining the DSG Harrier i have a pick of from 83. But it would make sense that in the haiste of preparation, they would have used what was to hand, namely EDSG. And it would be easy for Airfix to get this confused as the after way re-paint would have been more formalised with a new type of paint.

I think this leaves Vance with the option of EDSG for a war time aircraft and DSG for post war.

bsyamato

Some update on sue

Complete front well

glued with some reinforce on fuselage

main fuselage on

also opened air intakes

more glue and tape

putty needed

and with my great surprise cannon are on a side very lightly mentioned and on other side totally without

need to be drilled and i fear this will not so simlple.

but for now that's all

 

 

 

 

Great progress on that SUE my friend! it´nice to see it progress. I by the other hand made very few advances on mine, I hope to post something this weekend.

I just see that you use Humbrol enamels, the 125 with a few drops of blue will be almost an exact match to the Argentinian planes.

Did you get th aftermarkt decals? remeber that the kit decals are totally wrong.

If you plan to mount the exocet missile, be aware (when you drill for he cannons) that you don´t need to put the cannon brels becase those were removed when a exocet was mounted.

best regards

Jere

Some update on sue

Complete front well

glued with some reinforce on fuselage

main fuselage on

also opened air intakes

more glue and tape

putty needed

and with my great surprise cannon are on a side very lightly mentioned and on other side totally without

need to be drilled and i fear this will not so simlple.

but for now that's all

It is also interesting that he notes the colour applied after the Falklands being slightly lighter than the one applied on the way South. This i think would suggest that after the war they were re-painted possably DSG, hence explaining the DSG Harrier i have a pick of from 83. But it would make sense that in the haiste of preparation, they would have used what was to hand, namely EDSG. And it would be easy for Airfix to get this confused as the after way re-paint would have been more formalised with a new type of paint.

I think this leaves Vance with the option of EDSG for a war time aircraft and DSG for post war.

Bish -- further to the paint question for the Sea Harriers, here's what I turned up. I checked out Harrier: Ski-jump to Victory (Brassey, 1983) Ed. John Godden, and found this passage in Cmdr Tim Gedge's essay (p41), with regard to the rapid preparations for the South Atlantic:

"...we brought in an expert from Royal Aircraft Establishment, Farnborough, who had investigated the typical weather conditions of the Falklands at that time of year and advised us to paint the aircraft in a colour that would blend with that part of the world, light grey. It is interesting to note that the final colour adopted by the Fleet Air Arm for their Sea Harriers after the Falklands campaign is slightly darker than the one we chose and a slightly lighter grey than the one they painted the aircraft while going south in the carriers."

Reading that last sentence carefully seems to indicate that the planes were quickly resprayed in the darkest of the available shades, which, if I remember correctly was the standard topside shade at the time, and which was simply wrapped around the white undersides, plus the white codes and serials were also painted over. This logic suggests EDSG is the right choice, and the indications are indeed that Tamiya XF-63 German Grey is probably the closest off the shelf match if Gunze 333 is unavailable (while bearing in mind the niggling impression of a blue component to the hue...) On lustre, photos do not seem to show the Sea Harriers as absolutely dead flat, but it is counter-intuitive that they would be finished in anything much brighter to go to war, so a low satin would seem the reasonable compromise...

Cheers, Mike/TB379

Yep, anything I've seen referring to Falklands War Sea Harriers has been all-over gray, including the Airfix instructions for what that's worth. (Although the earlier two-tone scheme is pretty sharp as well, may have to pick up another one of these!)

Vance, i assume the sheme you are doing is the all over grey and not the grey? on top and white undersides.

VanceCrozier

bsyamato - I really like what you've done with the seatbelt buckles! Where did you get the copper wire? Do you plan on flattening it any or do you use it as it appears now? (Great work on the entire seat as well)

i'm plenty of copper wires , my beloved father was an electrician, lots of hanks and spared wires remained.

Plus my used guitar string are used in lots way. Wires and wood are the only thing that don't need payed

Lots of thing as old computers or appliances is a good resource to get good stratch material. 

neved try to flatten it, you give me a great idea Actually on the sue seat is no more possible, already glued on.

Actually working on sue to soon close the fuselage.

Azorean - looking like a great start on the Twin Otter. (This is what I'm liking about this Falklands theme - where else are you going to see Harriers & Super Etandards, Twin Otters & lightweight British armour all under one roof!?)

Bish - Grauviolett / dark sea gray looked pretty close to me too, if it's looking close on your end as well I think I'm safe enough. I've really got to get some of the older paint in my reserves used up, this will certainly help! I plan on a wash as well, so I think it'll be do-able.

bsyamato - I really like what you've done with the seatbelt buckles! Where did you get the copper wire? Do you plan on flattening it any or do you use it as it appears now? (Great work on the entire seat as well)