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Posted by TD4438 on Wednesday, May 25, 2011 7:59 AM

wing_nut

TD great start on the ship.  We have all categories represented now.

Much to my surprise,the superstructure decks on this ship were some shade of red!

I just gotta figure out which.

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Posted by wing_nut on Wednesday, May 25, 2011 6:08 AM

Hey Rob... I completely missed your paint update.  Outstanding!

Marc  

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Posted by wing_nut on Wednesday, May 25, 2011 5:53 AM

TD great start on the ship.  We have all categories represented now.

Marc  

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Posted by TD4438 on Tuesday, May 24, 2011 3:53 PM

A few more pics.

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Posted by TD4438 on Tuesday, May 24, 2011 3:51 PM

How about a little sea power!

I love 'em,but I'm not much of a ship builder.Not for years.I hope to do this one some justice.

Parts fit kinda sucked here,so I had to do some chopping.

I installed the secondary armament between the decks.The instructions wanted you to install the guns,then the upper deck.That wasn't happening.

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Posted by TD4438 on Tuesday, May 24, 2011 3:45 PM

wing_nut

u-69, Rob... thanks guys.

 

Here is the finished wood grain..  Before sealing with a 70/30 mix clear yellow/orange I took a brown art pencil and lightly make little marks along one side of each of the bands. 

The grain pattern shows up in the flesh better than the photo.  Any suggestions how to a pic that shows that better?

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y269/wing_nut_5o/Albatros/FuselageWood.jpg

 

And my wife thinks I have patience with this hobby!

Unbelievable!

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Posted by jgeratic on Tuesday, May 24, 2011 12:22 PM

wing_nut very interesting technique. Bit difficult to say how to better capture the details as we don't know what your camera settings were at.  I usually use the macro setting on the camera (lens has to be 2 inches or less from object), no flash, F8 lens setting and manually adjust shutter speed for the current lighting conditions.

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Posted by wing_nut on Tuesday, May 24, 2011 6:32 AM

u-69, Rob... thanks guys.

 

Here is the finished wood grain..  Before sealing with a 70/30 mix clear yellow/orange I took a brown art pencil and lightly make little marks along one side of each of the bands. 

The grain pattern shows up in the flesh better than the photo.  Any suggestions how to a pic that shows that better?

 

Marc  

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Posted by PANZERWAFFE on Monday, May 23, 2011 4:44 PM

Marc, that really works, VERY NICE.  Will give it a try for sure just have to find the appropriate subject to put it on.  Maybe will make a plywood tank Indifferent

Rob

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Posted by u-69 on Monday, May 23, 2011 4:28 PM

Interesting technique Marc....  I have to admit that I haven't seen that one before.... I may just have to steal that one from you! 

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Posted by wing_nut on Monday, May 23, 2011 3:21 PM

Hey... I thought I put up a post a day or 2 ago!  Must not have sent it.  But there are more updates now and Holy Craplackistan.... NICE!

I finally have an update too.  It is so nice doing something that is NOT A DECAL!  While the crosses on the wings set I started on the wood fuselage.

Since my brush painting of the grain was too inconsistent I had to come up with something that would work for me.  When I build and weather my armor i am a fan of saying, "Nothing looks more like dirt than real dirt."  So I use really dirt.  So here I am using real wood grain.  First the fuselage was given a primer coat of Mr. Surfacer 1200 that was lightly sanded.  Next 2 coats of Tamiya Wood Deck Tan  Lightened with white about 2 to 5.    The pics below show the next steps, on the other side of the fuselage.

Tape off the panel to be "grained" to protect from the pen going over the edge. You'll see in a sec.

After print the photos of the plywood i took at Lowe's to what I felt was a nice size for the grain, a piece a bit larger than the panel was cut out.  The back was covered with a good solid coat of Wood Mig pigment.  Blow off the excess.

Hold the paper on the panel and go over the grain with a ball point pen.  Use blue or a colored ink so you can see where you've been easier.  A piece of tape just on the bottom acts as a hinge so the paper can be pulled back to see if you missed a spot.

After the panel is done and all the tape has been removed, a light brushing with a stiff brush will blend it sightly so it's not so intense.  You can it in the top photo on the spine behind the cockpit.

Marc  

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Posted by smeagol the vile on Sunday, May 22, 2011 8:32 PM

Nah I dont think you can.  There is to much work to do on it to fix it and I have three other kits on the table that need even more TLC then that does.

 

Anyhow, even if I get the ball out with a hole in the bottom I dunno how I would get back inside to put it back in.

 

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Posted by PANZERWAFFE on Sunday, May 22, 2011 8:12 PM

SMEAGOL - Thanks.  Know what your saying about the oils, will also be using oils closer to the end.  Will be washed and pin washed with W&N raw umber.

Is there anyway I can talk you into fixing your Whippet?  With a few of these heavy tanks already on this GB it sure would be nice to see your Whippet.  The drilling a hole in the bottom seems like a good idea or maybe cut the side panel out or just leave the gun in there and scratch a new one. Maybe a bead would work for the ball and the guns small wire or just cut the stock off a gun in a figure set and glue on the bead?

Rob

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Posted by smeagol the vile on Sunday, May 22, 2011 5:18 PM

Looks really good.  I like the preshading even though latly mI have been more of a fan of using oils for it.

 

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Posted by PANZERWAFFE on Sunday, May 22, 2011 4:42 PM

Falling of the page so here is a quick update.

Pre shaded with flat black (the picture was an after thought and this was all that was left for the pic),

then gave a base coat of russian Earth Brown.

The pre shading does look better here in person but think it shows a little in the pics.  More painting to come.

Rob

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Posted by PANZERWAFFE on Saturday, May 21, 2011 7:45 PM

Few small things were done.  Cut small triangle styrene pieces forthe unditching rails.  had too do 4 of these

some simple exhaust U bolts made of wire

Started work on the unditching beam, just need to find the right chain now.  Also filled in with styrene around the gun bustle

Rob

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Posted by Nachtflieger on Saturday, May 21, 2011 5:28 AM

Wow, that wing really did get cooked! It will be interesting watching you build a new one.

Nate

 

 

 

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Posted by Heavens Eagle on Friday, May 20, 2011 9:21 PM

Well, I figured at least a little interest in how I would scratch build a new WW1 wing with rib detail and all or at least a little curiosity.  The audience seems to have left the building for now and all I seem to be getting are cricket chirps.Tongue Tied

Just to entertain (maybe) a little interest, here are a couple of shots of the toasted Hannover wing and some of what I am doing to replace it.

The wing shrank about 3/16 of an inch back from each end, the right wing TE did a weird thing and the sweepback disappeared.  (I have no clue how the sweepback went away)  Too much heat (boiling water) and too much time (about 30 seconds)

Another shot of the wing.

Yup, pretty much unusable. 

So scrap the model or make a new wing?  I'm up for the challenge, NEW WING!

First to make a jig to give the proper underside curvature.

Lots of plastic fuzz.  1/4 thick Lexan on my clamping plate with a sine vice.

 

OOPS!  I think that is just a little too much angle 19 degrees instead of 9.

More later!Yeah

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Posted by PANZERWAFFE on Thursday, May 19, 2011 10:40 PM

SMEAGOL - Thanks, not much longer until the paint goes on.

DOOGS - The ribbing looks GREAT!  Thanks for that well done "How too" will be much help.

WAIKONG - The MK IV was a huge ugly beast, unfortunately do not have a biplane to compare them.  The dimensions were: 26.4 ft x 12.84 ft x 8.17 ft.  Heres a pic with a figure for scale.

Tonight was able to get the unditching rails on.  Were a bit more of a pain then anticipated and broke the rails off a few times so there still much clean up needed.  There will also be a few additional parts to make and put on.

Rob

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Posted by waikong on Thursday, May 19, 2011 8:23 AM

Doogs, the pup is looking very nice, I think the sublte variation in color to represent the ribbing light effect look great.

Panzer, that land ship is really coming along very nicely. How big is that compared to a biplane of the same scale?

Heavens, I vote for the Siemens Schuckert, you dont' see one of those built everyday.

 

 

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Posted by DoogsATX on Thursday, May 19, 2011 7:38 AM

Big morning Pupdate! 

Here's where I started the night, with the Olive Drab/White/Deck Tan coat in place:

To mask off the ribs, I used 3M Fineline Tape. Honestly, I don't really like the stuff. It doesn't adhere all that well at such narrow widths, and doesn't curve as well as people say it does. But in this case, it gets the job done.

Masking the ribs isn't as tedious as masking everything BUT them, but it's still tedious. I was happy when I finally got around to painting. The more I get to use my new Harder & Steenbeck, the more I like it. 

After spraying the straight Olive Drab, I pulled the masking off...

In person, it looked kind of like one of those chocolate/mint candy canes.

Next up - overspraying with OD to blend it all together. 

Closer and closer to decals now...which means closer and closer to the dreaded rigging!

 

On the Bench: 1/32 Trumpeter P-47 | 1/32 Hasegawa Bf 109G | 1/144 Eduard MiG-21MF x2

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Posted by bondoman on Thursday, May 19, 2011 1:10 AM

Think I'll start with the Scharnhorst. Model looks great in the box. I need to get the railings PE and may buy the set for the Revell Emden and see how that looks. Obviously smaller ship. OBTW I bought an Emden the other day on eBay for 35 inc. shipping, so I need the set. Might as well ad her to the build list.

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Posted by Heavens Eagle on Thursday, May 19, 2011 12:58 AM

Hi all!

I have been lurking in the background now for a little while, observing all the nice builds and trying to finish off some other non-model but model related projects.  One of those projects was a tool for clamping warped parts to shape so as to reshape them with precise control.  First test toasted the wing I was trying to flatten the dihedral out of  (OUCH!) Whereupon that tool has since evolved to do other things as well.  ( I did figure out how to heat things right and can post some photos of the success).

Anyway it has been quite a while (almost 20 years) since I actually built a kit and I have a bunch from storage and a few I have picked up more recently.  Can't really make my mind up so I thought I would post a list and let you guys suggest.  I have way more than the skills needed for any of these even after all this time, so don't hold back due to difficulty!Geeked

Here is the list with brief description.  # are kits I have been seriously considering.

- DFW-28 Floh    =The old Eduard 1/48 kit. Not really all that interesting or challenging. Ick!

- Fokker D.VIII     = DML 1/48 kit Knights of the sky series with lozenge paint 

- Hansa-Brandenburg D.1 (Starstrutter) =Another old 1/48 Eduard kit so so moldings but somewhat interesting.

- Fokker D.VI  = Eduard 1/48 another old heavy on the molding kit

- Pfalz D.XII = Special Hobby 1/48 Nice kit well detailed no warpage though has 2 broken struts

# Hannover CL.IIIa  = Old 1/48 Eduard kit Interesting (this is the one that I toasted the warped top wing) Will require an entire new top wing made from scratch.  Have a small start on a jig for building that. 

# Hansa-Brandenburg W.29  = Flashback 1/48 reissue of old Eduard. Warped fusalage and have to undo/redo some small bad work done by previous owner of kit.

- Albatros D.I  =  1/48 Cavia kit. Very nice kit.  One of the better ones I have.

- Albatros C.III  = Special Hobby 1/48  Another nice kit though the wings are quite warped with too much dihedral.

# Siemens Schuckert D.III = Roden 1/32 kit.  Quite nice. will be a little bit of a challenge due to extra detailing to be added (already thinking ahead)

There you have it folks.  My list of possibilities and list of interests.  Any of them will be a challenge to some degree.  The biggest problem I will have will be when it comes to painting.  That is where I am the most rusty.  The Hannover you will get to see me fabricate a new top wing and how I will go about doing that with the concave underside and adding rib details.  (already have solutions  Hmm  HA! )

So post and mull.  Decide what you might like to see built.  Big Smile

All of them or even 2 at this point are NOT options.  Don't have that much time.  Dead

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Posted by smeagol the vile on Wednesday, May 18, 2011 10:23 PM

That is a nice looking tank there Panzer, cant wait to see it finished.

 

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Posted by EBergerud on Wednesday, May 18, 2011 9:52 PM

Finally got my IPMS Journal which contains long photo builds of WNW Albratros and RNAS Pup. The Pup build is described in great detail - probably three times the size of a large article in Finescale. Couple of things that struck me. First, builder spends a great deal of time outlining painting options - some found not good the hard way. He did rig things differently. He did not put on the engine or cowl so he could prop the aircraft up on its nose for rigging - that could be a really good idea. Second he PE rigging wire. This was preference but also history. I learned (certainly didn't know it) that RFC rigging wire was not round but streamlined and the ratio of width/depth ratio varied. Anyway there's a Brit Corporation called RB Productions (I've heard good things about their PE bending tool which is simple and cheap for that kind of thing) that produces these things. (http://www.radubstore.com/) . They're about $12 and the reviewer says you could do with just one size although two would be better history. (BTW: as one might expect the RNAS Pup was done beautifully. The kit itself is more different than I realized from the RFC version: you even get an extra wing and several variants for the innards.) Interestingly, the guy who did the Albatros used 4lb fishing line. I used 2lb on my Camel and it was probably closer to scale, but I don't think shows up as well as it could. (All of that work invisible beyond six feet or so.) Things to think about if Biplanes make a comeback. I just saw a 32 scale newish Tamiya Spitfire - some late mark - advertised at $134. That makes WNW bargain basement when you throw in free shipping.  

Eric

 

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Posted by PANZERWAFFE on Wednesday, May 18, 2011 8:49 PM

MARC -  Had the same thoghts with the irregularities of the metal skin.  It is the way the kit came.  Has many poor moldings but in this case worked too my advantage.

Your decals / wings look awesome.  I find them quite impressive, myself never using a decal of that size.

U-69 - Great looking cockpit and engine, very well done!

NATE - Thanks, I'll see what I can do with her.  Look forward to your Roland.

DOOGS - Nice too see some color, she is looking good.  Would you mind posting a picture with the masking and prep work?  Have not built any of these aircraft but may give it a try.  Would be helpful for me too see.

Bit more progress on the MK IV

Cut the molded on tow bracket and made one from brass sheet.  The one that came molded on was a thick one piece thing.  Cut / drilled out the vision ports and added some stip styrene and squadron putty around the seams of the housing.

On the rear added armor plate, exhaust pipe and some wire handles.

On top sanded off the molded exhaust brackets and scrathed new ones that actually connected to the hull.  Had also sanded off the poor / incorrect details on the crew hatch and scratched a new hatch.  Still have to add wire U bolts to hold down the exhaust pipe.

Sponsons filled and sanded out ok.  They are dry fit at the moment.

Rob

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Posted by waikong on Wednesday, May 18, 2011 12:06 PM

All you guys building the Wingnut Wings 1/32 kits are simply doing an outstanding job! I've sured learned a lot, just have to see how much of it I can translate to 1/48.

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Posted by wing_nut on Wednesday, May 18, 2011 11:06 AM

Looks great doogs.  ya know... I think I will miss the expression "Pupdate" the most when this build is done. 

Started put on the Microsculpt texture decals.  It says it's for 1/48 but seeing in on a 1/32 scale wing I think it would be too big.  But I really like the overall effect.  More obvious on the lighter bottom side.  The photo understates the upper wigs and exaggerate the underside.  It looks better in the here and now than in the pics. And I simulated the stitching at the lozenge panel seam with a 1/72 riveter and some contrasting paint.

Marc  

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Posted by DoogsATX on Wednesday, May 18, 2011 9:59 AM

Nate - looking forward to the Roland!

Sean - the FF33 is looking nice! Beautiful work on that engine!

Big Pupdate this morning - the first paint has been sprayed on the fuselage and upper surfaces! I learned the last time around that isolating the ribs after painting the base color was a huge PITA, so this time I've started with the lighter color (2:1:1 of Tamiya Olive Drab, XF55 Deck Tan, and XF-2 Flat White). Tonight I'll tape off the ribs and probably some of the fuselage framing and spray straight Olive Drab, then come back with highly thinned OD to blend it all together all nice-like.

On the Bench: 1/32 Trumpeter P-47 | 1/32 Hasegawa Bf 109G | 1/144 Eduard MiG-21MF x2

On Deck:  1/350 HMS Dreadnought

Blog/Completed Builds: doogsmodels.com

 

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Posted by u-69 on Wednesday, May 18, 2011 7:54 AM

Nate;

thanks! .....  about the Roland, In my opinion it's one of WNW nicest kits [either that or the Pfaltz - I'm torn] but it does have a couple of 'gotchas' - here's the one I built not too long ago - hope this helps. http://www.theaerodrome.com/forum/models/50805-roland-dvia-kissenberth.html

 

@marc - thanks!

 

-sean

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