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The Offical Natural Metal Finish Group Build III

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  • From: Launceston, Australia
Posted by the real red baron on Tuesday, October 11, 2011 4:22 AM

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CallSignOWL
 and here it is all painted up....MMMMMmmm I love painting cockpits! Eats

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OWL



You like painting cockpits? well, i would never have guessed that... lol

Sorry to hear about you troubles with the cockpit, you have a saw in your dorms!? Hmm

How do you do those cockpits!! how???

 

 

 

 

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  • From: Nebraska, USA
Posted by CallSignOWL on Monday, October 10, 2011 12:15 PM

with all the test fitting of the cockpit and sidewalls, I forgot to test fit the gear bays before gluing the fuselage halves together!! If I had remembered, I would not have had to deal with this issue:

I didnt remove the excess resin from the cockpit floor! Dunce Bang Head

I tried sanding it down some but quickly realized that would get me nowhere...so I tried sawing off a bit from the front, but the only angle I could get my saw blade at would saw the cockpit floor in half! So I trimmed and lowered the wheel well instead of prying apart the fuselage and risking the damage to the resin. But Shhhh, dont tell anyone and they might not notice!  Blind Fold

 

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  • From: SW Virginia
Posted by Gamera on Monday, October 10, 2011 8:21 AM

Owl: Oops! My mistake, I was thinking this kit was a repop/retooled one. Very nice work on the cockpit- love what you've done with the instrument panel.

V-man: Looking forward to that B-29!  

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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  • From: Nebraska, USA
Posted by CallSignOWL on Saturday, October 8, 2011 7:41 AM

Gamera

Owl: Those recent Tamiya kits have a cockpit so nicely detailed I'd be tempted to save the resin parts for another kit! Big Smile

Stil, the resin set is going to look fantastic in there, just wish the cockpit were bigger so you can see more of it.

 

Actually, Gamera, the Tamiya kit isnt "recent" (its from 1995!) and the kits sidewalls were woefully lacking details. The new Revell P-51B re-pop (and Monogram -D) have WAY more cockpit detail. The resin was a big improvement here! The strings you see in the following pics are for the antennas, btw.

and here it is all painted up....MMMMMmmm I love painting cockpits! Eats

 

OWL

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Posted by vetteman42 on Friday, October 7, 2011 11:23 PM

WOW Doogs you sure can take a problem child and make a masterpiece out of it Bow DownBow Down I can also see that your poor lil airbrush is gonna be seeing some overtime once your move is finished and your mancave is all set up again.

CallSignOwl I have that same kit in the closet cant wait to see what you do with it.

I am planning to start the B-29 soon, finally, around the first of November. Just 2 more builds to complete and my GB commitments will be all caught up. Man its been a rough year.

Randy So many to build.......So little time

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  • From: SW Virginia
Posted by Gamera on Friday, October 7, 2011 8:25 AM

Owl: Those recent Tamiya kits have a cockpit so nicely detailed I'd be tempted to save the resin parts for another kit! Big Smile

Stil, the resin set is going to look fantastic in there, just wish the cockpit were bigger so you can see more of it.

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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  • From: Austin, TX
Posted by DoogsATX on Thursday, October 6, 2011 9:16 AM

Owl - I haven't done any resin cockpits in the Tamiya P-51s, BUT several reviews I've read stress the importance of sanding down the fuselage sides and the resin cockpit sides as thin as possible, otherwise the lower fuselage will swell out and mess with the wing dihedral.

On the Bench: 1/32 Trumpeter P-47 | 1/32 Hasegawa Bf 109G | 1/144 Eduard MiG-21MF x2

On Deck:  1/350 HMS Dreadnought

Blog/Completed Builds: doogsmodels.com

 

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  • From: Nebraska, USA
Posted by CallSignOWL on Thursday, October 6, 2011 8:11 AM

Here we go!! I got the Mustang at the IPMS nationals this year, and discovered a nice little surprise inside: A resin cockpit set! This will be my first time doing a full replacement with resin parts, so hopefully I do it right!

Box shot:

I dont have a dremel sanding thing, so all the removal of the plastic was done with cutters, sanding sticks and a knife (much to the detriment of both my thumbs, ouch! Black Eye ) I was able to sand away the kit supplied detail and fit in the resin sidewalls. The new detail is much improved!

 

 

now, on to my most favorite step, painting the cockpit!!

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  • From: Austin, TX
Posted by DoogsATX on Sunday, October 2, 2011 2:12 AM

Gamera

Still she's looking good Doogs. Well except for the drive sprockets as you noted- are they crooked or is it the photo?

They are crooked. Nowhere near as awful looking with track on, though.

Speaking of which...I'm calling this one for now. 

Overall, a maddening build. I don't know if I was rushing, if the instructions were bad, if the kit's bad, or a combo of all three, but this was one of those builds where it seemed nothing went right. Cupola hatches installed inside-out? Check. 

The transmission housing/drive sprocket mount design is retarded. So are the drive sprockets. I'm also pretty sure I installed the idler wheel mounts backwards...but I think that's the instructions' fault. Not sure how I'm going to address that yet...they were heavily Tenaxed down so cutting them free won't be simple. But as it stands...you really have to squeeze the track in there to mount the idlers. 

I think I need to build another Dragon Sherman...but I also think it's fair to say that Tasca takes them to a really nice restaurant and totally eats their lunch.

Here are some pics. I'll also note that the VVSS bogies are NOT attached, so they kind of floated free and made the track look all silly. I also used the same trick I did on the Tasca 76...cutting out the wheel mounting rods so I can snap the wheels in and out. HELLO easier painting!

On the Bench: 1/32 Trumpeter P-47 | 1/32 Hasegawa Bf 109G | 1/144 Eduard MiG-21MF x2

On Deck:  1/350 HMS Dreadnought

Blog/Completed Builds: doogsmodels.com

 

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  • From: SW Virginia
Posted by Gamera on Friday, September 30, 2011 9:21 AM

Still she's looking good Doogs. Well except for the drive sprockets as you noted- are they crooked or is it the photo?

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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  • From: Austin, TX
Posted by DoogsATX on Friday, September 30, 2011 2:42 AM

Progress on the M4A4. Still disappointed in this kit. Especially the front, where the transmission housing and drive sprocket mounts come together. Super-vague fit led to some really sloppy alignment. Grr.

But...I think the low-bustle turret will be the perfect look for a NMF version. So there's that.

Also, the sprocket design is head-bangingly retarded. Needlessly complicated in a way that hinders rigidity.

 

On the Bench: 1/32 Trumpeter P-47 | 1/32 Hasegawa Bf 109G | 1/144 Eduard MiG-21MF x2

On Deck:  1/350 HMS Dreadnought

Blog/Completed Builds: doogsmodels.com

 

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  • From: SW Virginia
Posted by Gamera on Thursday, September 29, 2011 10:35 AM

Hey thanks guys! Embarrassed

And a SUPER big thanks to you Doogs for giving me the idea. I'd never even thought about pre-shading the NM this way.Yes

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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  • From: Netherlands
Posted by kermit on Thursday, September 29, 2011 10:31 AM

Here here!! Bow Down Lovely finish and great shading Gamera! And i do love that noseartStick out tongue

Great work m8!Wink

Richard

"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm." - Sir Winston Churchill

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  • From: Austin, TX
Posted by DoogsATX on Thursday, September 29, 2011 10:12 AM

Gamera - LOVE IT! The shading came out great! 

On the Bench: 1/32 Trumpeter P-47 | 1/32 Hasegawa Bf 109G | 1/144 Eduard MiG-21MF x2

On Deck:  1/350 HMS Dreadnought

Blog/Completed Builds: doogsmodels.com

 

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  • From: USA California
Posted by vetteman42 on Thursday, September 29, 2011 10:02 AM

Gamera wow man the shading really worked out well for ya !! Lookin sweet as h$ll man YesYes Nice work buddy

Randy So many to build.......So little time

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  • From: SW Virginia
Posted by Gamera on Thursday, September 29, 2011 9:19 AM

Doogs: Guess that's why they put her in the discount 'Orange Box' line. Still, sharp looking work you've done on her so far.

Here is 'FAT CAT' as she currently stands:

Funny, I tried some white aluminum on the control surfaces but it hardly shows, I didn't want to push it too far so I just left them as they are.

Went to spray some overcoat on her last night to protect the decals from the panel line wash and found there were about three drops left in the bottle. Hopefully will get some more this weekend and get the wash tossed on.

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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  • From: USA California
Posted by vetteman42 on Wednesday, September 28, 2011 11:33 PM

Wow lotsa good stuff goin on here Yeah

Doogs thanks for sharing those pictures man. I would say there is some talent in those foil builds, What I really like is the way the panels are shaded and soooo smooth too. I see you also have a start going on the s$xy, shiny, Sherman show tank YesYes You are faast too woulda taken me a week to get that far.

B17Pilot those AM gun tubes do make a huge difference in a Thunderbolt I think its money well spent. Already promised my self a set for my next P-47 build. You have made some good progress too, well done sir. Lookin forward to seeing more.

Gamera Eats to see your P-47

Randy So many to build.......So little time

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Posted by DoogsATX on Wednesday, September 28, 2011 2:27 AM

The work of a night...

Having recently come off the Dragon Panzer IV-G, Cyber-Hobby Panzer III-L, and building up Tasca's marvelous M4A3(76)W, I have to say this kit is a letdown. The transmission housing fit is sad. The sprue gates are located in the most retarded of places (hey...lets have you trim down and sand the TOP of the mantlet instead of the bottom!) and there are gaps in several places that will have to be fixed. 

Not saying it's awful by any means, and some of the detail is really quite stunning, but definitely a step down from some of Dragon's other kits.

On the Bench: 1/32 Trumpeter P-47 | 1/32 Hasegawa Bf 109G | 1/144 Eduard MiG-21MF x2

On Deck:  1/350 HMS Dreadnought

Blog/Completed Builds: doogsmodels.com

 

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  • From: Frisco, TX
Posted by B17Pilot on Tuesday, September 27, 2011 12:50 PM

DoogsATX

B-17 - The cowl's a tough call. Is there any kind of colored cowl ring?

Yeah there's a blue ring on the front of the cowl, and then the cowl flaps on each side are blue. However the air ducts for the oil coolers are NMF, so it might be I'll have to way pros/cons on each method and choose the one with the least amount of cons.

  

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Posted by Gamera on Tuesday, September 27, 2011 12:35 PM

DUH!!! Dunce

My apologies- I meant to say Doogs- no idea why I just confused you with Gregbear- who isn't even in this GB! Dead

At least no one confused you with me- if they did you should really be insulted. Surprise

Anyway: Sounds really cool- looking forward to seeing how she comes out. Are you going to 'pimp' her out anymore- white walls on the wheels, mud flaps with girls on them, fuzzy dice from the antenna.

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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Posted by DoogsATX on Tuesday, September 27, 2011 11:41 AM

It's Matt, not Greg, but no worries. Not like I put my name in my sig or anything...

Yeah...I find the disconnect between the tank and the crew humorous, but I can repurpose them elsewhere...lord knows I have enough Shermans to arm a battalion!

My plan as of now is to build the Sherman more or less straight...I think I may fill the holes for the pioneer tools for a slightly cleaner look. Undecided on that yet.

As for the paint scheme...the lower hull sides and sponsons are going to be good old olive drab. The transmission cover, glacis, upper hull and turret will all be NMF, with different shades/sheens for the cast portions. The insignia will be OD and applied using stencils and an airbrush.

I think it'll look pretty slick when all is said and done...

On the Bench: 1/32 Trumpeter P-47 | 1/32 Hasegawa Bf 109G | 1/144 Eduard MiG-21MF x2

On Deck:  1/350 HMS Dreadnought

Blog/Completed Builds: doogsmodels.com

 

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Posted by Gamera on Tuesday, September 27, 2011 7:36 AM

Hey Greg, nice Sherman, I've got one of those. I found it funny it builds into one tank that operated in Burma (Asia) but Dragon threw in a set of US Tank Crew NW Europe Confused.

Still guess it doesn't matter too much if she's going to be the Chrome Crusader!

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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Posted by DoogsATX on Monday, September 26, 2011 11:04 PM

B-17 - The cowl's a tough call. Is there any kind of colored cowl ring? If so, I'd recommend painting that, then attaching and masking off the whole front. If not I'd temp it, at least until you get the anti-glare strip done.

Gamera - Can't wait to see FAT CAT!

All - I'm baaaaaack! With all my paints packed away, it'll be awhile before this one comes out the other side, but construction is officially underway!

 

On the Bench: 1/32 Trumpeter P-47 | 1/32 Hasegawa Bf 109G | 1/144 Eduard MiG-21MF x2

On Deck:  1/350 HMS Dreadnought

Blog/Completed Builds: doogsmodels.com

 

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  • From: SW Virginia
Posted by Gamera on Monday, September 26, 2011 9:22 AM

Doogs: Thanks for the photos- some great inspiration there!

B-17: Dang, I'll have to pick up some of those for my next P-47. I had to admire them when Doogs posted his, now I'm getting a seroius case of barrel envy...

Plastic barrel or metal barrels I'm decaling 'FAT CAT' now, should have be done and have photos soonish.

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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Posted by B17Pilot on Sunday, September 25, 2011 6:01 PM

Doogs - Looks like it was a pretty good show.

My P-47 now looks like a P-47.  Still debating if I should temp attach the cowl while painting or go ahead and attach engine/cowl permanently.  I've got time, have some filling to do.  Also replaced the gun tube with the Master P-47 brass gun tubes (they looked good on Doogs' P-47, they sort of just added themselves to the shopping cart when getting the Ultracast seat and wheels).  On to putting!

Gun tubes:

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Posted by DoogsATX on Sunday, September 25, 2011 10:44 AM

Hey gents - just wanted to share a few of the NMFs from the Austin show yesterday. One of the guys there was a pretty epic foiler, and did these two:

I think he also did this Lightning (the big Trumpy 1/32 kit)

Another interesting one was this Spit IX. The NMF was done with Treasure Gold polish, which I think is pretty much Rub n Buff by a different name:

I looked gorgeous from a short distance, but if you got up close it did have a few imperfections. Looks like some lint got on the kit when the stuff was being applied or something. But still - beautiful.

On the Bench: 1/32 Trumpeter P-47 | 1/32 Hasegawa Bf 109G | 1/144 Eduard MiG-21MF x2

On Deck:  1/350 HMS Dreadnought

Blog/Completed Builds: doogsmodels.com

 

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  • From: Monterey Bay,CA-Fort Bragg, NC
Posted by randypandy831 on Friday, September 23, 2011 1:32 PM

would have joined the GB if i was goin with raf markings for my sabre.

tamiya 1/48 P-47D $25 + shipping

tamiya 1/48 mosquito $20+ shipping

hobby boss 1/48 F-105G. wings and fuselage cut from sprue. $40+ shipping. 

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  • From: SW Virginia
Posted by Gamera on Friday, September 23, 2011 9:35 AM

B-17: Fantastic looking cockpit and engine! I suppose you could add another wash to the engine but it looks fine to me.

Andy T: Looking forward to seeing more of your P-38.

 

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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Posted by B17Pilot on Friday, September 23, 2011 8:53 AM

vetteman42

B17Pilot nice pit man !!!! Are the seat belts PE ?  

Thanks, no the seat belts are molded on. The seat came from Ultracast, and they give you two in a set, so I got one for the Tamiya P-47 I'm going to do later (NMF IV, perhaps?).  I highly recommend the seat, also got a set of wheels for it too.

  

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Posted by vetteman42 on Thursday, September 22, 2011 10:53 PM

B17Pilot nice pit man !!!! Are the seat belts PE ? As for the engine it looks perfect to me, once the cowl goes over it it will darken a bunch, thats my thinking anyways, so I think another dark wash may be too much.

Andy T your build is in, I will get it listed on the front page shortly. And welcome to the shiny side Toast

 

Randy So many to build.......So little time

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