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Posted by checkmateking02 on Sunday, October 23, 2011 3:35 PM

Keep at it, Noah.  We can't let the plastic beat us.  Despite the difficulties, it's looking good.

 

 

 

 

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Posted by Noah T on Sunday, October 23, 2011 3:13 PM

I'm alternating updates on the Henschel between the Airfix and the Ostfront GB's.

Each kit teaches a lesson, and this one is about poor planning and hasty execution. With that being said I'm still having fun with this. I swear Ive never used so much blue tape in my life. The darker Grey didnt show well, I left brush strokes with it and the lines have big shoulders. I stayed up too late and decided to meet the 76 to the 74 and 75 asymetrically on the fuselage I used a toothpick for mottling waited till it was half dry and lightly brushed it with a q-tip. Then i brushed 76 around areas to form the splotches. I hope the dullcote hides these sinful brushstrokes. It seems like I'm chasing my tail with touch ups. My next worry will be putting the 75mm's pod on flush. I think i will try the white gule for caulking trick ive read about.

I'm also going with the gear down and there isnt much for detail there. Just a couple of sticks really.

I'll go for a wash later as well and i think that may muddle some of the detail issues.

The kit has two (inner or outer?) engine nacelle peices that I can't seem to figure out  what to do with either... I looked at some pics online but didnt get a good idea.

Also anyone have a good shot at the cannon sight that goes in front of the canopy?

Heres the messy pics...

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Posted by Trabi on Sunday, October 23, 2011 2:12 PM

OK. Atleast started Embarrassed

A4D-1 Skyhawk 1:72

Intakes thinned.

Thinned and glued.

Exhaust thinned and added bit details.

Needs puttyHmm

These need bit more attention...

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Posted by Centhot on Sunday, October 23, 2011 10:41 AM

Hi Theuns, great looking model, and something out of the ordinary too.

I finally got the floats on the Widgeon (or technically, a Gosling, as it's in British colors) looking OK, and sprayed them, and the struts, in Humbrol 90.  Then I found out that the struts and top of the floats are actually in the top/side camo colors, a sort of green and grey scheme.  So, masking and spraying time.

Looking at kits for the Africa GB, I was going to build an Italeri Spitfire, but, I think an Airfix MiG-23 in Libyan colors would go down a treat, and would be suitable for 2 GB to boot!  Needs a whole plethora of colors though...

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Posted by bsyamato on Friday, October 21, 2011 5:27 PM

Yes nice work at all Theuns.

I give up to paint large surfaces with tamiya acrilycs, imho enamels are better for handbrushing

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Posted by Scorpiomikey on Friday, October 21, 2011 5:10 PM

She looks good. Feel free to grab the badge.

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Posted by checkmateking02 on Friday, October 21, 2011 8:21 AM

Despite the problems you cite, I think you've built it up into a fine representation of an unusual-looking aircraft. 

 

 

 

 

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Posted by Theuns on Friday, October 21, 2011 8:07 AM

I eventually managed to finnish the Airfix 1/72 C-337 Skymaster in a "what if" SAAF sceeme. (They were used by the Rodhesian Air Force)

It was realy not a nice build, the fit was poor, lots of filling (spoilt with Tamiya I knowHmm and my brush painting tecnique is realy not up to scratch anymore, hence the poor paintingEmbarrassed

I seem to also have lost my starbord landinglight lens in the prosses. Africa is tough on planes LOL!

Airfix C-337

Airfix C-337

Theuns

PS. if you were wondering - the SAAF did sometimes fly without any national markings.

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Posted by the real red baron on Thursday, October 20, 2011 2:12 PM

I used it on my hurricane Whistling

 

 

 

 

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Posted by Greenshirt on Thursday, October 20, 2011 6:29 AM
I used 90 enamel on my Spit. It's close enough to 71-021.

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Posted by Centhot on Thursday, October 20, 2011 3:57 AM

I've used Humbrol 90 (acrylic) on the underside of my Widgeon, if you go a few pages back.

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Posted by Phil_H on Wednesday, October 19, 2011 11:52 PM

the real red baron
If so my paint list is, camoflage scheme - Tamiya XF-60-dark yellow, Tamiya XF-73-dark green & for the belly it will be Humbrol acrylic 90.

I think you may be way off base with XF-60 Dark Yellow - you may wish to look at XF-52 Flat Earth. Also, have a look at XF-12 (J.N. Grey) for a light grey with a tinge of green. 

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Posted by the real red baron on Wednesday, October 19, 2011 11:31 PM

I decided on humbrol acrylic 90, is that acurate enough to the real thing?

If so my paint list is, camoflage scheme - Tamiya XF-60-dark yellow, Tamiya XF-73-dark green & for the belly it will be Humbrol acrylic 90.

 

 

 

 

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Posted by Greenshirt on Wednesday, October 19, 2011 6:53 PM
RRB: I don't agree that a gray is appropriate. I believe 71-021 is lighter and bluer than AM Sky, which to my eye is a pale, creamy green with a hint of blue. Some Modelers believe 71-021 is a pale bluish gray, but I disagree. The choice is yours of course as its your model.

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Posted by the real red baron on Wednesday, October 19, 2011 6:06 PM

Greenshirt - how about tamiya light ghost grey that paint looks pretty close to what you describe to be the real flying tigers belly colour.

are you in the flying tigers GB?

Centhot - the GB will only go underway if we have at least five in the GB, and as for start dates it will be a instant start GB. Since ill be entering my 50% completed P-40B.

 

 

 

 

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Posted by Greenshirt on Wednesday, October 19, 2011 5:32 PM
the real red baron

So, I have the right colours for the camo scheme, but I need a under colour, how about humbrol acrylic paints? 90, 196?

 

 

90 works as a good Sky color.

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Posted by Centhot on Wednesday, October 19, 2011 4:35 PM

the real red baron
It seems to me that there are quite a lot of people interested in the flying tigers, how about a flying tigers GB? If i can get over 5 to join i will host.

Count me in!  The new Airfix Hawk for me...

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Posted by the real red baron on Wednesday, October 19, 2011 4:08 PM

It seems to me that there are quite a lot of people interested in the flying tigers, how about a flying tigers GB? If i can get over 5 to join i will host.

So, I have the right colours for the camo scheme, but I need a under colour, how about humbrol acrylic paints? 90, 196?

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Posted by Greenshirt on Wednesday, October 19, 2011 9:07 AM
RRB: those are fine colors because you have them. The 73 is better because the 63 is too olive for AVG birds. You may have to mix something for the underside, or buy XF21. Or go to a Michaels art store and find a bottle of Krylon Celery. It's enamel so if you'd prefer acrylic take that bottle to the acrylic section and try to find a low cost match. If its a bit bluer and lighter than Celery all the better.

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Posted by VanceCrozier on Wednesday, October 19, 2011 7:08 AM

DUSTER

 

 the real red baron:

 

Thankyou for heaps of info! Smile And I do mean heaps of info, that was way more than I expected!

I bought Tamiya acrylics XF-73 - dark green, XF-60 - dark yellow.

Are those paints fine for the flying tigers? I also have XF-62 - olive drab, if dark green is not suitable.

I hope I don't had to blow anymore money on paints! I'm running rather short of money, it's all in a savings account!

 

 

It's OK if you don't have the http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u294/PropDuster_album/moneyggt.gif ;  just use what you have and mix any colors you need.

Also, at the risk of incurring the wrath of "those to whom color must to be accurate or not applied at all",

 you can paint you model as best you can with colors you have.

 It is after all your model and your interpretation .

http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u294/PropDuster_album/Smileees/smiley-chores032.gif  Colors are a very large and intense subject, to some, so ask, but don't be surprised if you get conflicting answers about any color questions.

That said, Greenshirts answer above covers the major points and gives you a good start.

Good luck and looking forward to pictures as you build

....and in this digital age, colours can shift depending on camera setings, monitor settings, and of course the lighting that you take your pics with! Stick out tongue

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Posted by Centhot on Wednesday, October 19, 2011 4:21 AM

Also, paints fade, get worn, and are produced in different batches.  There's a famous picture of a B-17 in Olive (or Overall) Drab (OD).  There are 3 very different shades of OD, on different sections.  It looks weird, but, that's the reality of war-time production.

Arguments over color go on and on.  Take Israeli 1948 grey.  It has been described as everything from RLM grey to almost a cream.  Even paint chips don't always help.  Then, sometimes in the field colors are mixed according to whatever was around.

Spitfire hammers (on the door on the larboard side) can be silver, red, or interior green.  Some decal manufacturers admit they don't know a color, so, give you markings in, say white and RAF sky, because no one knows what color they actually were.

In short, if it looks roughly OK, it's probably OK, and unless you're really unlucky, it can never be proved otherwise!  I recall a story from some years back at some model show where an 'expert' said that the color scheme on something was wrong.  The modeler showed a picture, which proved he was right.  The 'expert' said that the actual aircraft was painted incorrectly (before I assume going on to pronounce judgement elsewhere)!

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Posted by DUSTER on Wednesday, October 19, 2011 3:48 AM

the real red baron

Thankyou for heaps of info! Smile And I do mean heaps of info, that was way more than I expected!

I bought Tamiya acrylics XF-73 - dark green, XF-60 - dark yellow.

Are those paints fine for the flying tigers? I also have XF-62 - olive drab, if dark green is not suitable.

I hope I don't had to blow anymore money on paints! I'm running rather short of money, it's all in a savings account!

It's OK if you don't have the  ;  just use what you have and mix any colors you need.

Also, at the risk of incurring the wrath of "those to whom color must to be accurate or not applied at all",

 you can paint you model as best you can with colors you have.

 It is after all your model and your interpretation .

  Colors are a very large and intense subject, to some, so ask, but don't be surprised if you get conflicting answers about any color questions.

That said, Greenshirts answer above covers the major points and gives you a good start.

Good luck and looking forward to pictures as you build

Steve

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Posted by the real red baron on Tuesday, October 18, 2011 9:49 PM

Thankyou for heaps of info! Smile And I do mean heaps of info, that was way more than I expected!

I bought Tamiya acrylics XF-73 - dark green, XF-60 - dark yellow.

Are those paints fine for the flying tigers? I also have XF-62 - olive drab, if dark green is not suitable.

I hope I don't had to blow anymore money on paints! I'm running rather short of money, it's all in a savings account!

 

 

 

 

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Posted by checkmateking02 on Tuesday, October 18, 2011 7:20 PM

Thanks for the blog reference, Tim.  It's a good resource.

 

 

 

 

 

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Posted by Scorpiomikey on Tuesday, October 18, 2011 6:34 PM

Well there ya go, colour me wrong. lol.

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Posted by Greenshirt on Tuesday, October 18, 2011 6:17 PM

Well, since this can of worms is open...

1) The FS system didn't exist until after the war, so remember that any use of FS to refer to a WW II color is an approximation and not THE color per some government spec.

2) The ANA system was not implemented until after the US entered the war as a way to standardize paint production in the US, the UK MAP agreed to use it however by the time it was fully implemented it was about the same time the USAAF was switching to NMF.  Both date to after the P-40B/C Tomahawks were being delivered.

3) The MAP contracted with US manufacturers for aircraft to be painted to their specs, not to something else like some modelers believe (the "there's a war on, you know" theory). 

4) The MAP specs basically required paint to be the same Dark Earth, Dark Green and Sky colors that were being applied on UK manufactured aircraft (not the same paint, but US made paints that were the same colors and to the same durability requirements).  To help clarify, the MAP identified specific Dupont paints as being an equivalent to the MAP specified colors.  The "close enough for government work" statements that are the source of most of the controversy.  There is actually a color chip card approved by the MAP here.

5) The Dupont equivalents to the Air Ministry (AM) colors were:

  • AM Dark Earth -- 71-065 Dark Earth (a very close match)
  • AM Dark Green -- 71-013 Dark Green (slightly bluer than AM Dark Green)
  • AM Sky -- 71-021 Sky Gray (lighter and a hint bluer than AM Sky, but it's not gray)

The controversy is mainly with 71-021.  Contemporary color photos make the light color look more bluish gray than it really is (okay that's my opinion) so some modelers content it's really a bluish gray color like x6622.

There is some controversy over 71-013 Dark Green.  Generally most modelers agree x34092 is a close match to 71-013 Dark Green. 

There is generally no controversy over Dark Earth, however some believe 71-009 Dark Earth (yes, Dupont used the same name!) which is a lighter color, closer to a Sand color, was used on some production batches.

I've chased AVG P-40 colors for a number of decades, trying to get a model to look right.  I finally settled on:

  • Dark Earth -- any favorite RAF Dark Earth -- I use Humbrol 29
  • Dark Green -- Model Master 1764 European Dark Green FS34092
  • Sky -- Gunze H314 35622 (too blue, still not quite to my liking but close)

Read this blog, it's very informative and written by a well respected Brit who knows and understands color.  It was written well after the IPMS Stockholm reference charts which can be outdated. 

Ultimately I hope you paint it to your standards, it's your model and it should look the way you want it to.

Tim

 

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Posted by Scorpiomikey on Tuesday, October 18, 2011 4:53 PM

From what i can see (coloured photos from ww2, recoloured photos etc) they appear to be standard RAF camouflage done with USAAF standard colours.

I would go with the following.

M-495 light grey. (FS-36440)

42 Medium Green (FS-34092)

ANA-616 Sand (FS-30279)

Of course thats just my opinion. Someone feel free to tell me im wrong lol.

Got the colours from here.

http://www.ipmsstockholm.org/colorcharts/stuff_eng_colorcharts_us.htm 

Although, after another look (and thinking of timeframe) This might be more accurate.

Silver Grey. (FS-36622)

Forest Green. (FS-34102)

Olive Drab. (FS-30227)

Those are pre 1939 colours so its more likely they were painted as such.

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Posted by checkmateking02 on Tuesday, October 18, 2011 3:24 PM

the real red baron

What colours did the flying tigers use? If you want to be specific it's a p40b number 68 of the hells angels division.

Here's a link to a discussion on the Airfix Tribute Forum.

http://airfixtributeforum.myfastforum.org/archive/tomahawk-p-40b-flying-tigers-paint-scheme__o_t__t_13923.html

Everyone seems to agree they were painted in dark earth/dark green, to British specifications.  More problematic is the undersurfaces. 

You can read what the opinions are, then make your best selection.  You are as likely to be right as anybody else.

 

 

 

 

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Posted by checkmateking02 on Tuesday, October 18, 2011 3:13 PM

Nice finish, RRB.  You're skills are developing well.

 

 

 

 

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Posted by the real red baron on Tuesday, October 18, 2011 3:12 PM

Thanks everyone for the nice comments!

I can clean my airbrush but one time, after the brown, it got stuck so I had to clean it, put really well. That time.

What colours did the flying tigers use? If you want to be specific it's a p40b number 68 of the hells angels division.

 

 

 

 

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