Gamera

Dom: I did pick up a Trumpteter CV-10 Yorktown and the old Tamiya CV-6 Enterprise kit. Not sure if I'll build the second as the Big-E or as the first Yorktown CV-5. Funny it's getting hard to find kits in museum shops like you used to. I guess they don't sell as well.

i have the Saratoga, CV-3, man that was a beautiful ship, and the Lady Lex. Yeah, talk about wasting perfectly good ships, they trashed the Enterprise, and used the Sratoga along side the Nagato at Bikini Atoll for 'bomb practice' with kinda' big bombs. Lex went down fighting in the Battle of the Coral sea.

I use the hull and flight deck of the Trumpi Nimitz as a second layer on my shelf, to hold airplanes. i started it about 6 years ago but had to give it up when I started teaching....now it's status is "this kit has been started...." so I dunno....2023 or there abouts....lol

Dom

   Hello and thanks for the kind words. I'm very happy to be a part of this GB and hope my addition will be worthy. As Ken mentioned it will be the MiG-17 that  will be attempting; NMF so it ought to be interesting as I've not had a whole lot of experience with that.

   One thing's for sure it will be fun and I welcome any comments, criticisms, etc. I never fail to learn something on every build and I'm sure this one will be no exception! I look forward to seeing everyone's  projects.

mikeymize

   Hello and thanks for the kind words. I'm very happy to be a part of this GB and hope my addition will be worthy. As Ken mentioned it will be the MiG-17 that  will be attempting; NMF so it ought to be interesting as I've not had a whole lot of experience with that.

   One thing's for sure it will be fun and I welcome any comments, criticisms, etc. I never fail to learn something on every build and I'm sure this one will be no exception! I look forward to seeing everyone's  projects.

Hi Mike,

Welcome aboard!  If you have read through enough posts you will find that we are pretty laid back here and just about anything is an acceptable topic.  I will update page 1 now with your build.  Again, welcome!   

Ken

mikeymize

   Hello and thanks for the kind words. I'm very happy to be a part of this GB and hope my addition will be worthy. As Ken mentioned it will be the MiG-17 that  will be attempting; NMF so it ought to be interesting as I've not had a whole lot of experience with that.

   One thing's for sure it will be fun and I welcome any comments, criticisms, etc. I never fail to learn something on every build and I'm sure this one will be no exception! I look forward to seeing everyone's  projects.

Hi Mike,

I forgot to ask, which kit and scale are you using?

Ken

Striker8241

Bockscar

I almost have those duct floors cut out, I dug into the plastic when I realized the paper pattern was getting close. I reinforced the actual ducts. i must have dry fit those parts around 17-20 times last night alone. i can hardly wait to build an OOB again.

Dom

 

Hang in there, Dom .  Show us some pictures of your progress when you can.

 

Russ

There are seven parts involved, the engine bulkhead, the wing fuselage assembly, the original fuselage duct, the duct, the outer fuselage nacelle, the intake, and the splitters. Into that I'm trying to put in the 'duct floor' to hold the forward duct into its correct shape, hugging the inside of the outer fuselage nacelle and intake sections. Why it is complicated is that there are no obvious points of contact between the duct floor and any of those parts. The entire outline of the duct floor is an imaginary line that needs to be found in order to cut the outline of the floor, as nothing is glued into place, finding the outline has been a moving target....when I dry fit the assembly all those parts move around....have to do a lot of it by eye and pure guess.

Anyways, I'll try and get pics later this week.

Dom

Mike;

Looking forward to seeing your work progress as well!

Dom

Son Of Medicine Man

Bockscar

Rich;

sorry to hear about the side-effects. I've never had a pneumonia shot, but given your susceptibility, that's a good idea.I loved ship kits, all the tons of little boats and guns and fiddly bits....now I hate that stuff. I built the Revell 1/400 enterprise, it's on my book shelf. I cleaned 8 years of dust off it the other day, coulda' built a new one for the time.

I almost have those duct floors cut out, I dug into the plastic when I realized the paper pattern was getting close. I reinforced the actual ducts. i must have dry fit those parts around 17-20 times last night alone. i can hardly wait to build an OOB again.

Get better Rich, winter is coming...

Dom

Hi Dom,

I hear you on the "I can hardly wait to build an OOB again"!  Although I already promised Don James that I was going to build his F-84E "Hoosier Hotshot" next.  But the one after that will definitely be strictly straight out of the box!  A nice easy Revell kit, like maybe a Zero!

Ken

i tell ya', the scratch stuff looks nice, and I appreciate being able to do it, but right about now, it feels way "too much like work" for me....lol.....

Dom

Bockscar

Son Of Medicine Man

Bockscar

Rich;

sorry to hear about the side-effects. I've never had a pneumonia shot, but given your susceptibility, that's a good idea.I loved ship kits, all the tons of little boats and guns and fiddly bits....now I hate that stuff. I built the Revell 1/400 enterprise, it's on my book shelf. I cleaned 8 years of dust off it the other day, coulda' built a new one for the time.

I almost have those duct floors cut out, I dug into the plastic when I realized the paper pattern was getting close. I reinforced the actual ducts. i must have dry fit those parts around 17-20 times last night alone. i can hardly wait to build an OOB again.

Get better Rich, winter is coming...

Dom

Hi Dom,

I hear you on the "I can hardly wait to build an OOB again"!  Although I already promised Don James that I was going to build his F-84E "Hoosier Hotshot" next.  But the one after that will definitely be strictly straight out of the box!  A nice easy Revell kit, like maybe a Zero!

Ken

Hey Ken;

i tell ya', the scratch stuff looks nice, and I appreciate being able to do it, but right about now, it feels way "too much like work" for me....lol.....

Dom

I hear you Dom.  After spending so much time on the cockpit with the added scratch building, along with the time taken off from recovering from Berny's passing, and now adding a super long list of added aftermarket add-ons, it will be nice to just glue and paint!

Ken

I'm probably going with an Monogram F-84F, F-86, or Mig-15.

Dom

Bockscar

I'm probably going with an Monogram F-84F, F-86, or Mig-15.

Dom

Now those I would have to do like what Mike is doing and finish with NMF.  Nice and shiny!

Ken

Ken: I know what you mean about decompressing with an out of the box build. If you go with the Zero, um I'm starting Japanese GB Part ll next year (hint, hint).

Dom: I know what you mean, wish I could stop starting projects and not finishing them. I've been reading a lot about the Korean War and those Monogram kite sound pretty cool.

MikeM: welcome! Hope you have fun!

Hi Everyone,

Today I did a lot of research so not a lot of work on the F-4E.  Since Dom was kind enough to point out that I should install aftermarket wheel wells that has put me at a point of limbo.  The cockpit sits on top of the front wheel well so I will need it in hand to get a better idea of what to do next.  But I have been researching and found it is going to take a bit of "shoe horning" to make it all fit.  Another thing that I plan on installing that I have not mentioned yet is the Verlinden F-4E Phantom Super Detail Set which includes the open avionics panel.  This requires cutting into the fuselage area where the cockpit is located.  It is going to be a tight fit.

Another thing that I am planning to install is the aftermarket flaps and ailerons.  Since this cutting has to be precise, I am taking my time on planning this very thoroughly before I proceed.

Ken

NMF stands for New Mint Finish?

Like this?

Gamera

Ken: I know what you mean about decompressing with an out of the box build. If you go with the Zero, um I'm starting Japanese GB Part ll next year (hint, hint).

Dom: I know what you mean, wish I could stop starting projects and not finishing them. I've been reading a lot about the Korean War and those Monogram kite sound pretty cool.

MikeM: welcome! Hope you have fun!

Hi Cliff,

I would be very happy to join your build!  It sound like the timing will be about right!

Ken

Bockscar

NMF stands for New Mint Finish?

Like this?

Exactly like that!

Ken

Dom: now that's shiny!

Ken: great! I'll get the new thread started sometime before the first of the year.

And of course everyone is invited if you have a Japanese kit you want to build.

Son Of Medicine Man

Hi Everyone,

Today I did a lot of research so not a lot of work on the F-4E.  Since Dom was kind enough to point out that I should install aftermarket wheel wells that has put me at a point of limbo.  The cockpit sits on top of the front wheel well so I will need it in hand to get a better idea of what to do next.  But I have been researching and found it is going to take a bit of "shoe horning" to make it all fit.  Another thing that I plan on installing that I have not mentioned yet is the Verlinden F-4E Phantom Super Detail Set which includes the open avionics panel.  This requires cutting into the fuselage area where the cockpit is located.  It is going to be a tight fit.

Another thing that I am planning to install is the aftermarket flaps and ailerons.  Since this cutting has to be precise, I am taking my time on planning this very thoroughly before I proceed.

Ken

Wow, Ken! Sounds like there won't be much of the original kit left when you finish adding all the aftermarket stuff .

Russ

Ken:

Having a plan is a good way to go, very complex build you've undertaken, and that "shoe horning" is about educated guesses and lots of patience,

right about now I'm not sure if i have patience, or just lots of laziness....

Speaking of complex, how's this for a 28 cylinder radial engine (give or take 4 cylinders):

I'll bet that baby ran smooth.....

Dom

Striker8241

Son Of Medicine Man

Hi Everyone,

Today I did a lot of research so not a lot of work on the F-4E.  Since Dom was kind enough to point out that I should install aftermarket wheel wells that has put me at a point of limbo.  The cockpit sits on top of the front wheel well so I will need it in hand to get a better idea of what to do next.  But I have been researching and found it is going to take a bit of "shoe horning" to make it all fit.  Another thing that I plan on installing that I have not mentioned yet is the Verlinden F-4E Phantom Super Detail Set which includes the open avionics panel.  This requires cutting into the fuselage area where the cockpit is located.  It is going to be a tight fit.

Another thing that I am planning to install is the aftermarket flaps and ailerons.  Since this cutting has to be precise, I am taking my time on planning this very thoroughly before I proceed.

Ken

Wow, Ken! Sounds like there won't be much of the original kit left when you finish adding all the aftermarket stuff .

Russ

I feel the same way!  There is not going to be much that is original.  But look at what you are doing!  You are doing a bunch of scratch building yourself on that B-52D!

Ken

Bockscar

Ken:

Having a plan is a good way to go, very complex build you've undertaken, and that "shoe horning" is about educated guesses and lots of patience,

right about now I'm not sure if i have patience, or just lots of laziness....

Speaking of complex, how's this for a 28 cylinder radial engine (give or take 4 cylinders):

I'll bet that baby ran smooth.....

Dom

Is that out of a B-29?

Ken

Just curious, how will you "open" the avionics bay and please don't say "real carefully". I wouldn't know how to do it without screwing up the surrounding area. BTW, before reading your plans for this Phantom I thought my plane was going to be a challenge.......best of luck!

mikeymize

Just curious, how will you "open" the avionics bay and please don't say "real carefully". I wouldn't know how to do it without screwing up the surrounding area. BTW, before reading your plans for this Phantom I thought my plane was going to be a challenge.......best of luck!

Good question, Mike. I'm curious too. I've tried this myself with somewhat successful results, but I'm sure there's a better way. I marked out the area to remove with a dark pen on the outside, then held the plastic up to a bright light and copied it to the inside. Then I cut through from the inside using a sharp exacto knife.

It worked so so, but I think it's because I cut directly on the line. If I try it again, I will cut inside the line, then trim and sand to the final dimensions. How do you plan to do it, Ken?

Cheers,

Russ

Bockscar

Ken:

Having a plan is a good way to go, very complex build you've undertaken, and that "shoe horning" is about educated guesses and lots of patience,

right about now I'm not sure if i have patience, or just lots of laziness....

Speaking of complex, how's this for a 28 cylinder radial engine (give or take 4 cylinders):

I'll bet that baby ran smooth.....

Dom

Wow! There's a mechanic's nightmare! .  Cool picture, Dom!

Son Of Medicine Man

Striker8241

Wow, Ken! Sounds like there won't be much of the original kit left when you finish adding all the aftermarket stuff .

Russ

I feel the same way!  There is not going to be much that is original.  But look at what you are doing!  You are doing a bunch of scratch building yourself on that B-52D!

Ken

Touche!    But what I'm doing is more repairs and additions - you're replacing just about the whole front end which is more of a challenge since it all has to fit together in a confined space. I'll be watching with great interest just how this evolves.

Striker8241

mikeymize

Just curious, how will you "open" the avionics bay and please don't say "real carefully". I wouldn't know how to do it without screwing up the surrounding area. BTW, before reading your plans for this Phantom I thought my plane was going to be a challenge.......best of luck!

Good question, Mike. I'm curious too. I've tried this myself with somewhat successful results, but I'm sure there's a better way. I marked out the area to remove with a dark pen on the outside, then held the plastic up to a bright light and copied it to the inside. Then I cut through from the inside using a sharp exacto knife.

It worked so so, but I think it's because I cut directly on the line. If I try it again, I will cut inside the line, then trim and sand to the final dimensions. How do you plan to do it, Ken?

Cheers,

Russ

Hi Russ and Mike,

Russ, that is a real good way of doing it.  But I am lucky in this instance in that the detail set includes a photo-etch overlay that goes right on top of the outline of the avionics bay opening.  So I can use that as a stencil.  I will lay that on the fuselage and draw the outline of where I need to cut.  And since I have become accustomed to using the Dremel to making my cuts, I will use it to make the initial cut, staying well within the lines.  Then I will finish the hole with a metal flat file.

Ken

Striker8241

Son Of Medicine Man

Striker8241

Wow, Ken! Sounds like there won't be much of the original kit left when you finish adding all the aftermarket stuff .

Russ

I feel the same way!  There is not going to be much that is original.  But look at what you are doing!  You are doing a bunch of scratch building yourself on that B-52D!

Ken

 

Touche!    But what I'm doing is more repairs and additions - you're replacing just about the whole front end which is more of a challenge since it all has to fit together in a confined space. I'll be watching with great interest just how this evolves.

 

Too bad they don't have a tactical radar package add-on. It would look cool to have the nose radome swung back to show the antenna.

 

Russ

Actually Russ, the Verlinden detail set does! 

Ken

Cool!

Striker8241

mikeymize

Just curious, how will you "open" the avionics bay and please don't say "real carefully". I wouldn't know how to do it without screwing up the surrounding area. BTW, before reading your plans for this Phantom I thought my plane was going to be a challenge.......best of luck!

Good question, Mike. I'm curious too. I've tried this myself with somewhat successful results, but I'm sure there's a better way. I marked out the area to remove with a dark pen on the outside, then held the plastic up to a bright light and copied it to the inside. Then I cut through from the inside using a sharp exacto knife.

It worked so so, but I think it's because I cut directly on the line. If I try it again, I will cut inside the line, then trim and sand to the final dimensions. How do you plan to do it, Ken?

Cheers,

Russ

Yeah, 'education by a thousand cuts'....lol.....we earn ours by doing....lol

By the way, did you make a paper outline-pattern fora all the individual parts of those bomb-transport & lifter units, you know, to sell on Ebay or to your pals?....lol....jess' wondrin'

Ken and I took pictures of this P&W engine in Dayton, I'll try to find a couple, and yes Ken, it powered the B-50 and many others:

http://www.456fis.org/PRATT_&_WHITNEY_4360_WASP_MAJOR.htm

Dom

Bockscar

Striker8241

mikeymize

Just curious, how will you "open" the avionics bay and please don't say "real carefully". I wouldn't know how to do it without screwing up the surrounding area. BTW, before reading your plans for this Phantom I thought my plane was going to be a challenge.......best of luck!

Good question, Mike. I'm curious too. I've tried this myself with somewhat successful results, but I'm sure there's a better way. I marked out the area to remove with a dark pen on the outside, then held the plastic up to a bright light and copied it to the inside. Then I cut through from the inside using a sharp exacto knife.

It worked so so, but I think it's because I cut directly on the line. If I try it again, I will cut inside the line, then trim and sand to the final dimensions. How do you plan to do it, Ken?

Cheers,

Russ

Russ, that's what I mean when I say 'educated guesses.' That was a good idea marking it and candling it like that, in the next evolution the 'education' you got from the the first cut oughta' make the second try even closer. I don't know how you got it so close the first time, I woulda' gone through a few practice airplanes myself before i got it right.....

Yeah, 'education by a thousand cuts'....lol.....we earn ours by doing....lol

By the way, did you make a paper outline-pattern fora all the individual parts of those bomb-transport & lifter units, you know, to sell on Ebay or to your pals?....lol....jess' wondrin'

Ken and I took pictures of this P&W engine in Dayton, I'll try to find a couple, and yes Ken, it powered the B-50 and many others:

http://www.456fis.org/PRATT_&_WHITNEY_4360_WASP_MAJOR.htm

Dom

Totally cool video Dom!!!  That is awesome!  It gives me goosebumps!  I would love to be there in person.

Ken

Bockscar

By the way, did you make a paper outline-pattern fora all the individual parts of those bomb-transport & lifter units, you know, to sell on Ebay or to your pals?....lol....jess' wondrin'

No, I didn't, bud. Primarily because overall, the height of the lift trailer is not to 1/72 scale - I had to scale it to the small wheel set and they were larger than they should be, so the overall height of the trailer is greater than scale. I could never get an accurate measurement of the width of the trailer so I suspect it is also out of scale. BTW, I already sent you the instructions for the transport trailer.

As for the parts, I have some notes with dimensions but no templates. I was moving too fast. I used a lot of leftover parts that resembled some of the small wheelset steering gear and what I could see of the lift assembly and just cludged them together until they looked halfway realistic.

I still plan to redo the bomb clip trailer if I can find the right size wheels, but I doubt I will build another bomb lift trailer, which is what I would need to do to get a decent set of measurements and drawings. It was really a lot of work and I was glad to get finished with it .

Russ