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First Annual Berny Memorial Group Build

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Posted by mikeymize on Sunday, November 4, 2012 9:22 AM

  Hi everyone, here's some pics of box art, reference book and the sprues. It looks like a very well made kit virtually no imperfections to be seen.This is the first HobbyBoss kit I've built but so far I'm impressed. I've washed and rinsed plastic and clear parts had a quick dip in the "future pool". I've decided to use some rattle cans of MM buffing metalizer so am I correct in assuming no gloss black needed. If I understood correctly, that was only necessary if using Alclad? I have both fine primer and MM gloss black so if someone knows (and I know someone does) feel free to clue me in. Also, once I do spray the metalizer how careful must I be with smudges? Any and all help/comments are welcome and encouraged!

"Time you enjoy wasting is not wasted time".


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Posted by Gamera on Sunday, November 4, 2012 4:24 PM

MikeM: looks like a nice kit to me! Yeah, you don't have to apply anything under Metalizer. Big thing to watch for is the surface must be perfect, even the slightest blemesh or rough area will show up. I don't really like the stuff since even the slight pebbly finish you get from liquid cement will show up. And the other big thing with Metalizer is it's very hard to mask, if you even look at it cross-eyed it will peel up.never tried Tamiya primer under it, you might give that a try.

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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Posted by Bockscar on Sunday, November 4, 2012 4:31 PM

Mizer:

That Fresco you have on hand has the enhanced radar unit so it has that tab on its nose and the bulb in the intake. Is the subject of Stapfer's book pretty much the same other than the radar-mods on the nose?

My Trumpi kit has three options for the intake including both of those. I'll take notes as you blast through this build.

Dom

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Posted by Bockscar on Sunday, November 4, 2012 4:57 PM

Striker8241

Looking good, Ken! Yes  I think the only ECM box we had in that compartment in those days was our RHAW (radar homing and warning) receiver. Any jamming or deception repeater capability was provided by pods.

BTW, one of the joys of being in the ECM shop was pulling weekend duty and getting called out to download our pods with the jammer and upload luggage pods so pilots could make "test flights" to places like Florida and Arizona. Amazing that there always seemed to be a golf bag in those luggage pods Big Smile.

Russ

Errrr....fess up;

did you guys ever put golf clubs in those bags,

or the occasional, err, item, with glass on the outside and 

golden precious liquid from Scotland or Tennessee.....Whistling

Errr....you don't have to answer that question......Big Smile

Dom

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Posted by Son Of Medicine Man on Sunday, November 4, 2012 6:42 PM

Hi Everyone,

Today was another busy day.  Today's mission; prepare the avionics bay to be installed.

 The first thing to note is that the photo etch of the panel frames is smaller than the resin piece:

 So the area to be cut out of the fuselage will need to match the photo etch, not the resin piece.  Here is a picture showing the placement for the photo etch on the fuselage:

 I used the photo etch as a template to trace out a line for the hole I needed to cut out of the fuselage:

 Next I used my Dremel with a cutting bit and carefully cut out the hole staying well within the lines:

 Then I finished the hole with a flat file.  The next thing I had to take care of was on the inside of the fuselage toward the nose was a raised area that I had to remove with the same flat file:

 Here is a picture with the resin avionics bay inserted into place.  Take note of the upper right corner.  Because of the shape of the fuselage, that corner of the avionics bay sticks up above the fuselage.  More about this in a second.

Here is a picture of it from behind:

In this next picture you can see where I modified the resin piece where it was "under" the panel so that it would fit flush.  This way when I place the photo etch piece on top, the thickness of the fuselage is not holding the resin piece too deep making it out of scale for the depth:

Okay, now back to that corner that is sticking out too far.  I came up with the idea that I could run hot water over the resin piece to soften it up and thereby be able to bend that corner down so it wasn't sticking up too high.  Here is the result:

 

I had a feeling that it was a bad idea, but live and learn.  So instead I filed down that corner then super glued the two halves back together.  Fortunately the way that it broke you will never be able to see it after it is glued back together.  So now I will have to wait for the glue to dry before I proceed.

Ken

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Posted by Son Of Medicine Man on Sunday, November 4, 2012 6:55 PM

I had to edit my previous post because for some reason one of my pictures was deleted.  So you will not see it in your email.  You will have to see it on the website.

Ken

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Posted by Son Of Medicine Man on Sunday, November 4, 2012 6:58 PM

I should have called that post "Another installment from Ken's Chop Shop!"

Ken

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Posted by Scorpiomikey on Sunday, November 4, 2012 7:51 PM

You guys have GOT to see this.

Apparently the builder's name is Yesus Wilder and he only used three materials to build the engine. Stainless steel, aluminum, and bronze.

Utterly amazing to watch. I posted this in the scratchbuild section too.

"I am a leaf on the wind, watch how i soar"

Recite the litanies, fire up the Gellar field, a poo storm is coming Hmm 

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Posted by Bockscar on Sunday, November 4, 2012 8:10 PM

Scorpiomikey

You guys have GOT to see this.

Apparently the builder's name is Yesus Wilder and he only used three materials to build the engine. Stainless steel, aluminum, and bronze.

Utterly amazing to watch. I posted this in the scratchbuild section too.

Thanks fo the link Mike,

There's the Mozart of Micro engines.....I wonder how powerful is is.

I wish I could have seem him cut out that engine block, and tha tappits.....fantadtic work.

Dom

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Posted by Bockscar on Sunday, November 4, 2012 8:12 PM

Son Of Medicine Man

I should have called that post "Another installment from Ken's Chop Shop!"

Ken

Ken, Chop shop is right,

If you saved all the styrene you cut away, you could have a second build going on there!

Dom

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Posted by Son Of Medicine Man on Sunday, November 4, 2012 9:32 PM

Bockscar

Son Of Medicine Man

I should have called that post "Another installment from Ken's Chop Shop!"

Ken

Ken, Chop shop is right,

If you saved all the styrene you cut away, you could have a second build going on there!

Dom

That is for sure.  I feel like I have spent more time removing plastic than I have attaching plastic!

Ken

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Posted by Striker8241 on Monday, November 5, 2012 4:31 AM

Bockscar

Errr....fess up;

did you guys ever put golf clubs in those bags,

or the occasional, err, item, with glass on the outside and 

golden precious liquid from Scotland or Tennessee.....Whistling

Errr....you don't have to answer that question......Big Smile

Dom

 
Well, we didn't pack the luggage pods. The pilots brought their stuff and put it in so if there was some of that - ahh - liquid sunshine included, we couldn't get to it. Probably a good thing too Big Smile.
 
Russ
 
 

 

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Posted by Striker8241 on Monday, November 5, 2012 5:05 AM

Son Of Medicine Man

Hi Everyone,

Today was another busy day.  Today's mission; prepare the avionics bay to be installed.

~

Ken

 
Man, that's gonna look nice!  Yes Good job, Ken!
 
BTW, I came across this link that gives a lot of information abut the instruments and instrument panels of the F-4s:
 
 
One interesting detail you might want to add is the TSEO [correction - TISEO] sensor. This was a long range optical sight either for the guns, bombs or a missile (can't remember what it was used with) that was mounted on the end of a boom on the right wing. I tried to find information and pictures of it online but strangely there doesnt' seem to be any. Just a reference to it in the link above.
 
I'll keep an eye out for it but if you come across a picture of a Phantom with a large probe off the right wing, that's the TISEO mod.
 
Cheers,
 
Russ

 

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Posted by Striker8241 on Monday, November 5, 2012 5:26 AM

Ok, clarification on TISEO (not TSEO):

TISEO - Target Information System/Electro-Optical   - A telescopic TV camera used to identify targets at extreme range. And it was on the left wing, not the right ... Big Smile.

Also here's the link that mentions TISEO with some interesting infomation on slatted F-4Es in Vietnam:

http://www.network54.com/Forum/624633/thread/1288266605/Slatted+F-4Es+in+Vietnam.+Yes,+there+were+some

Russ

 

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Posted by Striker8241 on Monday, November 5, 2012 6:00 AM

Scorpiomikey

You guys have GOT to see this.

Apparently the builder's name is Yesus Wilder and he only used three materials to build the engine. Stainless steel, aluminum, and bronze.

Utterly amazing to watch. I posted this in the scratchbuild section too.

 
Man, I can't even imagine doing the research to create something like this! This guys knows his stuff. Great video, Mikey - thanks!  BTW, is there some way to save a You Tube video?
 
Russ

 

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Posted by mikeymize on Monday, November 5, 2012 9:23 AM

Scorpiomikey: Great vid. It gave me an idea, maybe Ken can add a couple of scale working GE J-79's to his build. Judging by his attention to detail should be no problem!

BTW thanks to everyone who's helped me on my various and sundry MiG questions thus far; there's plenty more  to come I'm sure! The walk around book is helping too but lacks many color pics. The directions themselves have very little if any color call outs but they're pretty straightforward on the actual "putting together" part.

Also, I would be remiss in my civic duty if I didn't remind everyone to vote tomorrow.

"Time you enjoy wasting is not wasted time".


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Posted by Gamera on Monday, November 5, 2012 12:02 PM

Awesome Ken!

And wow that's incredible ScorpyMike, thanks for posting it!

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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Posted by Scorpiomikey on Monday, November 5, 2012 12:30 PM

Striker8241

Scorpiomikey

You guys have GOT to see this.

Apparently the builder's name is Yesus Wilder and he only used three materials to build the engine. Stainless steel, aluminum, and bronze.

Utterly amazing to watch. I posted this in the scratchbuild section too.

 
Man, I can't even imagine doing the research to create something like this! This guys knows his stuff. Great video, Mikey - thanks!  BTW, is there some way to save a You Tube video?
 
Russ

If you have a youtube account you can subscribe to a users account, or you can "favourite" videos.

"I am a leaf on the wind, watch how i soar"

Recite the litanies, fire up the Gellar field, a poo storm is coming Hmm 

My signature

Check out my blog here.

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Posted by Striker8241 on Monday, November 5, 2012 3:55 PM

Ok, thanks.

 

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Posted by Son Of Medicine Man on Monday, November 5, 2012 6:27 PM

Striker8241

Ok, clarification on TISEO (not TSEO):

TISEO - Target Information System/Electro-Optical   - A telescopic TV camera used to identify targets at extreme range. And it was on the left wing, not the right ... Big Smile.

Also here's the link that mentions TISEO with some interesting infomation on slatted F-4Es in Vietnam:

http://www.network54.com/Forum/624633/thread/1288266605/Slatted+F-4Es+in+Vietnam.+Yes,+there+were+some

Russ

Hi Russ,

Thank you for the information and links, I really appreciate it!  Smile  I already had the link bookmarked in my favorites in your previous post, it is a great link!

The F-4E that I am building has the serial number 69-xx260.  It did not have the slats installed at the time it served in Vietnam.  Also, the TISEO was not installed until after serial number 71-0224, so my aircraft did not have it.

It is very interesting about the TISEO.  They actually had the ability to slave its TV camera to the radar, or slave the radar to the TISEO.  But it could only work in clear weather in daylight and not through clouds.

Ken

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Posted by Son Of Medicine Man on Monday, November 5, 2012 6:31 PM

mikeymize

Scorpiomikey: Great vid. It gave me an idea, maybe Ken can add a couple of scale working GE J-79's to his build. Judging by his attention to detail should be no problem!

BTW thanks to everyone who's helped me on my various and sundry MiG questions thus far; there's plenty more  to come I'm sure! The walk around book is helping too but lacks many color pics. The directions themselves have very little if any color call outs but they're pretty straightforward on the actual "putting together" part.

Also, I would be remiss in my civic duty if I didn't remind everyone to vote tomorrow.

Hi Mike M.,

10-4 on the GE J-79s!  If only I could find the blueprints!  Big Smile 

And roger that on voting tomorrow, I plan on getting up early tomorrow so I can get to the poles before work!

Ken

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Posted by Son Of Medicine Man on Monday, November 5, 2012 6:32 PM

Gamera

Awesome Ken!

And wow that's incredible ScorpyMike, thanks for posting it!

Thanks for the compliment Cliff!

Ken

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Posted by Striker8241 on Monday, November 5, 2012 6:40 PM

Son Of Medicine Man

Hi Russ,

Thank you for the information and links, I really appreciate it!  Smile  I already had the link bookmarked in my favorites in your previous post, it is a great link!

The F-4E that I am building has the serial number 69-xx260.  It did not have the slats installed at the time it served in Vietnam.  Also, the TISEO was not installed until after serial number 71-0224, so my aircraft did not have it.

It is very interesting about the TISEO.  They actually had the ability to slave its TV camera to the radar, or slave the radar to the TISEO.  But it could only work in clear weather in daylight and not through clouds.

Ken

 
Wuups! Sorry about that! Surprise  Well, maybe somebody else can use the information. And -  you're welcome  Big Smile.
 
Russ

 

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Posted by kbuzz01 on Monday, November 5, 2012 6:43 PM

Hi guys,

Looks like a lot of hard work has been going on here - good job!

But, Ken, with all the holes you're making in that F-4, I'll bet you could have built it quicker from scratch!!  Indifferent

Buzz (the other Ken)

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Posted by Bockscar on Monday, November 5, 2012 6:47 PM

Hey guys, as to Cliff's earlier discussion about scrapping legends,

The Big E is officially being scrapped!

www.foxnews.com/.../world-first-nuclear-powered-aircraft-carrier-uss-enterprise-finishes-final

security.blogs.cnn.com/.../uss-enterprise-sailing-off-to-historys-scrap-heap

i put a bid in for it on EBay, wish me luck......lol

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Posted by Striker8241 on Monday, November 5, 2012 6:55 PM

Bockscar

Hey guys, as to Cliff's earlier discussion about scrapping legends,

The Big E is officially being scrapped!

www.foxnews.com/.../world-first-nuclear-powered-aircraft-carrier-uss-enterprise-finishes-final

security.blogs.cnn.com/.../uss-enterprise-sailing-off-to-historys-scrap-heap

i put a bid in for it on EBay, wish me luck......lol

Lol! I bet you would! Big Smile

 

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Posted by Bockscar on Monday, November 5, 2012 6:56 PM

Striker8241

Son Of Medicine Man

Hi Russ,

Thank you for the information and links, I really appreciate it!  Smile  I already had the link bookmarked in my favorites in your previous post, it is a great link!

The F-4E that I am building has the serial number 69-xx260.  It did not have the slats installed at the time it served in Vietnam.  Also, the TISEO was not installed until after serial number 71-0224, so my aircraft did not have it.

It is very interesting about the TISEO.  They actually had the ability to slave its TV camera to the radar, or slave the radar to the TISEO.  But it could only work in clear weather in daylight and not through clouds.

Ken

 
Wuups! Sorry about that! Surprise  Well, maybe somebody else can use the information. And -  you're welcome  Big Smile.
 
Russ

There was technology developed that was able to see through clouds.

Remember how Polaroid glass works, you can eliminate certain frequencies of light through its phase filtering?

The idea was that a very powerful beam of light could be shined like a powerful head beam into a cloud or fog. Naturally, the tiny water droplets in the cloud would reflect that frequency of light back to the receiver. The receiver would adjust its input lenses with the correct phase according to the light's frequency and,voila, they would disappear. i called it the "saturation equals elimination" theory.

Dom

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Posted by Son Of Medicine Man on Monday, November 5, 2012 8:43 PM

Bockscar

Hey guys, as to Cliff's earlier discussion about scrapping legends,

The Big E is officially being scrapped!

www.foxnews.com/.../world-first-nuclear-powered-aircraft-carrier-uss-enterprise-finishes-final

security.blogs.cnn.com/.../uss-enterprise-sailing-off-to-historys-scrap-heap

i put a bid in for it on EBay, wish me luck......lol

That is just sad.  Sad  The first "Big E" should have been preserved.  And now this one is going to be destroyed as well.  The first nuclear aircraft carrier.  No significance there.  Why would we want to keep that!

Ken

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Posted by Son Of Medicine Man on Monday, November 5, 2012 9:04 PM

Hi Everyone,

Not a whole lot done tonight.  I want to wait on the super glue to dry on the avionics bay before I start messing with it again.  So I started on the main wheel bays.

The first thing was to figure out how to cut the molded ones off.  The instructions of course do not explain "how" to do this.  After looking at it for quite some time I finally figured out how I am going to do it.

I am going to use my Dremel with the cutting tool to cut out the center, then I will file down the walls that I can get to.  I will cut the remaining walls with a #11 knife blade.

I did get a start with the Dremel and cut out the center of the first wheel well.

Ken

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Posted by Bockscar on Monday, November 5, 2012 9:11 PM

Son Of Medicine Man

Bockscar

Hey guys, as to Cliff's earlier discussion about scrapping legends,

The Big E is officially being scrapped!

www.foxnews.com/.../world-first-nuclear-powered-aircraft-carrier-uss-enterprise-finishes-final

security.blogs.cnn.com/.../uss-enterprise-sailing-off-to-historys-scrap-heap

i put a bid in for it on EBay, wish me luck......lol

That is just sad.  Sad  The first "Big E" should have been preserved.  And now this one is going to be destroyed as well.  The first nuclear aircraft carrier.  No significance there.  Why would we want to keep that!

Ken

Errr, sequestration, no money allotted to replace/refit it, Big 'E' is yesterday's "horses and bayonets".....amazed such a unique design lasted so long.

Dom

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