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Posted by Striker8241 on Thursday, November 29, 2012 7:28 AM

Son Of Medicine Man

Hi Everyone,

Well, as I promised, here are the pictures.

In this first one, you can see how the sides of the front panel to the rear cockpit are hanging over the side:

 And here is the other side:

 Here is how it looked after I filed it down flush with the rest of the cockpit:

 And once again the other side:

 Next step was to work on the scope.  It is shown here still attached to the resin mold base.  The scope is on the far right and the hood for it is on the far left:

 Here is a shot of the first test fitting of the scope.  As you can see it is sticking out way too far according to my reference photos.  So I had to file down the backside and keep test fitting it until it looked right.

 Next I epoxied the hood onto the scope:

Tomorrow when the epoxy is set, I will do the final touch up on the paint then it will be ready to epoxy into the cockpit.

Ken

 
Absolutely fantastick work, Ken! Yes Yes  
 
Did you paint the panel yourself or were the photoetch details already prepainted?
 
Looking forward to the next stage!
 
Russ

 

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Posted by Gamera on Thursday, November 29, 2012 8:42 AM

Ken & Jim: That's terrific looking work guys! You're making me want to pull out a jet!!!

Must finish what I'm working on- I made a pre-New Year's Resolution that when I actually finish five models I'll allow myself to start another one...  Angel

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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Posted by Bockscar on Thursday, November 29, 2012 3:13 PM

Good Call Mikey, don't want to attract any problems, I pulled the comments.

Dom

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Posted by Scorpiomikey on Thursday, November 29, 2012 3:29 PM

Dont wanna be a party pooper, but i really dont want this shut down either.

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Posted by Bockscar on Thursday, November 29, 2012 7:07 PM

Jim, great decals...Yes

Ken, Looks like a 1/144 scale ejection unit....Yes

Mikey, most realistic build I've ever seen!!YesYes....LOL

Dom

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Posted by mikeymize on Thursday, November 29, 2012 7:20 PM

Ken great work as always. You could've been a neurosurgeon with those skills. Jimbot58 I love the Corsair II; they were still at Nellis AFB when I got there as an E-1. I believe the unit was the 4450th. We were never able to determine what their mission was but we suspected something to do with the stealth program which was really hush-hush then. It was a different world back then...(sigh). Anyway I can't wait to see the finished product. My condolences on the "no step" decals, talk about tedious! I suppose the best way to approach it is a little every day otherwise you're likely to go blind! LOL

"Time you enjoy wasting is not wasted time".


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Posted by Striker8241 on Thursday, November 29, 2012 7:25 PM

mikeymize

Ken great work as always. You could've been a neurosurgeon with those skills. Jimbot58 I love the Corsair II; they were still at Nellis AFB when I got there as an E-1. I believe the unit was the 4450th. We were never able to determine what their mission was but we suspected something to do with the stealth program which was really hush-hush then. It was a different world back then...(sigh). Anyway I can't wait to see the finished product. My condolences on the "no step" decals, talk about tedious! I suppose the best way to approach it is a little every day otherwise you're likely to go blind! LOL

Mike, when were you at Nellis? What was your specialty?

Russ

 

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Posted by Son Of Medicine Man on Thursday, November 29, 2012 9:05 PM

Striker8241

Son Of Medicine Man

Hi Everyone,

Well, as I promised, here are the pictures.

In this first one, you can see how the sides of the front panel to the rear cockpit are hanging over the side:

 And here is the other side:

 Here is how it looked after I filed it down flush with the rest of the cockpit:

 And once again the other side:

 Next step was to work on the scope.  It is shown here still attached to the resin mold base.  The scope is on the far right and the hood for it is on the far left:

 Here is a shot of the first test fitting of the scope.  As you can see it is sticking out way too far according to my reference photos.  So I had to file down the backside and keep test fitting it until it looked right.

 Next I epoxied the hood onto the scope:

Tomorrow when the epoxy is set, I will do the final touch up on the paint then it will be ready to epoxy into the cockpit.

Ken

 
Absolutely fantastick work, Ken! Yes Yes  
 
Did you paint the panel yourself or were the photoetch details already prepainted?
 
Looking forward to the next stage!
 
Russ

Thank you for the compliments Russ!

The panel is complex.  It is late now but I will go into more detail about how I did it later.  I gave a small tutorial in the group build that a few of us were in when I did it.  It takes a little work but the results speak for themselves!

Ken

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Posted by Son Of Medicine Man on Thursday, November 29, 2012 9:17 PM

Gamera

Ken & Jim: That's terrific looking work guys! You're making me want to pull out a jet!!!

Must finish what I'm working on- I made a pre-New Year's Resolution that when I actually finish five models I'll allow myself to start another one...  Angel

Thank you for the compliment Cliff!  On a side note I just won a 1/48 Monogram B-26 Marauder on eBay which is a distant cousin to your A-20 Havoc.

Ken

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Posted by Son Of Medicine Man on Thursday, November 29, 2012 9:19 PM

Bockscar

Jim, great decals...Yes

Ken, Looks like a 1/144 scale ejection unit....Yes

Mikey, most realistic build I've ever seen!!YesYes....LOL

Dom

Dom you keep cracking me up!  Thanks for the compliment!  Big Smile 

Ken

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Posted by Son Of Medicine Man on Thursday, November 29, 2012 9:20 PM

mikeymize

Ken great work as always. You could've been a neurosurgeon with those skills. Jimbot58 I love the Corsair II; they were still at Nellis AFB when I got there as an E-1. I believe the unit was the 4450th. We were never able to determine what their mission was but we suspected something to do with the stealth program which was really hush-hush then. It was a different world back then...(sigh). Anyway I can't wait to see the finished product. My condolences on the "no step" decals, talk about tedious! I suppose the best way to approach it is a little every day otherwise you're likely to go blind! LOL

Thank you Mike M. for the compliment!

Ken

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Posted by Son Of Medicine Man on Thursday, November 29, 2012 9:27 PM

Greetings Everyone!

I just got home from work.  It was a late night.  We had a network crash right at the end of the day so I had to stick around and get everything working again.  So no work at the bench this evening.

My Mom is having her surgery tomorrow morning at 6:00 AM EST.  I will take my laptop with me, there is supposed to be WIFI available, so I should be able to keep in touch.  The surgery is supposed to last 4 hours, and then she will be in the hospital for 1 to 2 days afterwards to recover enough to be able to come home.  Even then she will need to have assistance at least one more day.

Ken

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Posted by Bockscar on Thursday, November 29, 2012 9:29 PM

Ken:

Our thoughts and prayers for your mom and you tomorrow.

All the best,

Dom

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Posted by Striker8241 on Thursday, November 29, 2012 11:01 PM

Bockscar

Ken:

Our thoughts and prayers for your mom and you tomorrow.

All the best,

Dom


 

What he said, Ken. We'll be praying for her speedy recovery.

Russ

 

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Posted by Scorpiomikey on Thursday, November 29, 2012 11:11 PM

Good luck Ken. Hope everything goes alright.

"I am a leaf on the wind, watch how i soar"

Recite the litanies, fire up the Gellar field, a poo storm is coming Hmm 

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Posted by jimbot58 on Friday, November 30, 2012 2:30 AM

mikeymize

Ken great work as always. You could've been a neurosurgeon with those skills. Jimbot58 I love the Corsair II; they were still at Nellis AFB when I got there as an E-1. I believe the unit was the 4450th. We were never able to determine what their mission was but we suspected something to do with the stealth program which was really hush-hush then. It was a different world back then...(sigh). Anyway I can't wait to see the finished product. My condolences on the "no step" decals, talk about tedious! I suppose the best way to approach it is a little every day otherwise you're likely to go blind! LOL

Thanks for the compliment mikeymize..

About the A-7 and the F-117 connection, this is quoted from wikipedia:

Use in F-117 development

The 4450th Tactical Group stationed at Nellis AFB, Nevada had the distinction of being the last active USAF unit to operate the A-7 Corsair II. The mission of the 4450th TG was the operational development of the Lockheed F-117 Nighthawk, and the unit needed a surrogate aircraft for pilot training and practice. A-7Ds and A-7Ks were obtained from various active duty and air national guard squadrons and were assigned initially to the "(P)" or "Provisional" unit of the 4450th Tactical Group, redesignated the 4451st Tactical Squadron in January 1983

The A-7s were used as a deception and training aircraft by the group between 1981 and 1989. It was selected because it demanded about the correct amount of pilot workload expected in the F-117A, was single seat, and many of the F-117A pilots had F-4 or F-111 backgrounds. A-7s were used for pilot training before any F-117As had been delivered to bring all pilots to a common flight training base line. Later, the A-7s were used to chase F-117A tests and other weapon tests at the Nellis Range.

A-7D-5-CV AF Serial No. 69-6241 of the 4451st Test Squadron / 4450th Tactical Group at Nellis AFB, Nevada in 1984

A-7 flight operations began in June 1981 concurrent with the very first YF-117A flights. The A-7s wore a unique "LV" tailcode (for Las Vegas) and had a dark purple/black paint motif. The A-7s were based officially at Nellis Air Force Base and were maintained by the 4450th Maintenance Squadron.

In addition to providing an excuse for the 4450th's existence and activities, the A-7s were also used to maintain pilot currency, particularly in the early stages when very few production F-117As were available. The pilots learned to fly chase on F-117A test and training flights, perform practice covert deployments, and practice any other purpose that could not be accomplished using F-117As, given the tight restrictions imposed on all F-117A operations.

Some A-7s operated from the Tonopah Test Range Airport, about 30 miles (48 km) southeast of Tonopah, Nevada where the F-117s were being operationally tested. As a deception operation, care was taken to ensure that F-117As were never left parked outside aircraft hangars during daylight hours. However, A-7s were deliberately and routinely left outside hangars for the benefit of any orbiting Soviet spy satellites. Soviet intelligence agencies examining spy satellite imagery of the base would undoubtedly notice the A-7s parked on the Tonopah flight line, and would not be particularly interested. The intention of this deception was to convince the Soviets that Tonopah operated nothing more exciting than some A-7 Corsairs.

There were approximately 20 A-7D aircraft used in developing the F-117, including several two-seat A-7K trainers. In January 1989, just three months after the USAF admitted the F-117A existed, the A-7s were retired to AMARC and were replaced by AT-38B Talons as training aircraft and the 4451st TS was deactivated."

Also here is a link from a dedicated F-117site:

SLUF

Ken, my thoughts will be with you and your mom

Jim

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Posted by Gamera on Friday, November 30, 2012 8:41 AM

Ken: Best wishes and prayers for your mom's health and speedy recovery.

Jim: Thanks, I had no idea about the connection between the two aircraft, fascinating stuff.

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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Posted by Son Of Medicine Man on Friday, November 30, 2012 4:52 PM

Hi Everyone,

Thank you for the well wishes for my Mom.  The surgery went fairly well.  The surgeon said he ran into complications from previous surgeries she had.  But he was able to complete the operation successfully.  She is resting now in the hospital.  We will have to wait and see how fast she recovers before knowing when she can come home.  She was awake but still drowsy when I left at 5:00 PM.  It was a long day since we had to be there at 6:00 AM this morning.  The surgery ended up taking 5.5 hours and was supposed to only take 4, so I was getting worried.  I am ready to relax and drink a beer!  Beer 

Ken

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Posted by Bockscar on Friday, November 30, 2012 5:20 PM

Ken:

Phew! almost 6 hours, I am so glad she's okay.

Yes good man, have a beer, and as I can't join you,

please have one for me as well!Beer

Dom

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Posted by Bockscar on Friday, November 30, 2012 8:11 PM

So, we're looking for a new fighter,

I prefer the Raptor, but don't think that will happen, here's a run down:

Dom

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Posted by Striker8241 on Friday, November 30, 2012 8:21 PM

Son Of Medicine Man

Hi Everyone,

Thank you for the well wishes for my Mom.  The surgery went fairly well.  The surgeon said he ran into complications from previous surgeries she had.  But he was able to complete the operation successfully.  She is resting now in the hospital.  We will have to wait and see how fast she recovers before knowing when she can come home.  She was awake but still drowsy when I left at 5:00 PM.  It was a long day since we had to be there at 6:00 AM this morning.  The surgery ended up taking 5.5 hours and was supposed to only take 4, so I was getting worried.  I am ready to relax and drink a beer!  Beer 

Ken

 

That's great, Ken! You've done all you can, bud. Go home and relax! Beer

Russ

 

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Posted by Gamera on Friday, November 30, 2012 8:36 PM

Ken: Good to hear your mom is out of surgery, wow 5.5 hours. I think both of you should relax, though I'm not sure the doctors would be happy with your mom drinking a beer with you right now.

Dom: I dunno, I like the Raptor but as expensive as the thing is and with all the problems of the F-35 the Gryphon might be a better bet.

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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Posted by Bockscar on Friday, November 30, 2012 9:28 PM

Gamera

Ken: Good to hear your mom is out of surgery, wow 5.5 hours. I think both of you should relax, though I'm not sure the doctors would be happy with your mom drinking a beer with you right now.

Dom: I dunno, I like the Raptor but as expensive as the thing is and with all the problems of the F-35 the Gryphon might be a better bet.

True Cliff;

Could we get the SAABs with twin engines?

I was thinking, i wouldn't mind upgraded F-15's....

Or Super Hornets......

The Ruskies are upgrading and selling MiG 29's.....

The radar absorbing coatings are proving just as important as the designs, I'ld

take Eagles or Hornets any day.

Dom

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Posted by Sparrowhyperion on Friday, November 30, 2012 9:56 PM

Dom.  I would go for the Sukhoi.  A couple of reasons.  From what I understand, the climate in a lot of Canada is pretty severe during the winter.  A bit more so than in the US.  The Russians are experts on designing aircraft which are reliable under those kinds of conditions.  And Russian fighters are known for their rugged reliability.  Secondly, it looks cool... LMAO.... :)

Bockscar

So, we're looking for a new fighter,

I prefer the Raptor, but don't think that will happen, here's a run down:

Dom

In the Hangar: 1/48 Hobby Boss F/A-18D RAAF Hornet,

On the Tarmac:  F4U-1D RNZAF Corsair 1/48 Scale.

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Posted by jimbot58 on Saturday, December 1, 2012 1:27 AM

Ken, I'm glad to hear the surgery is over and all is hopefully well.

I hate to ask, but I haven't back read the posts yet, and I have really been kind of out of sorts for awhile....what was it your Mom needed surgery for? I remember you talking about it, but I'm blank from there.

In other news....a bit of an uh-oh tonight! Trying to mask and paint the marker lights on the end of the wing. I guess I kind of rushed and wasn't careful with my masking material when....

Not a big disaster but still a P.I. the A. to have to fix now.

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Posted by Son Of Medicine Man on Saturday, December 1, 2012 8:26 AM

jimbot58

Ken, I'm glad to hear the surgery is over and all is hopefully well.

I hate to ask, but I haven't back read the posts yet, and I have really been kind of out of sorts for awhile....what was it your Mom needed surgery for? I remember you talking about it, but I'm blank from there.

In other news....a bit of an uh-oh tonight! Trying to mask and paint the marker lights on the end of the wing. I guess I kind of rushed and wasn't careful with my masking material when....

Not a big disaster but still a P.I. the A. to have to fix now.

Hi Jim,

I am really sorry to see the problem you have there.  I always hate having to re-do work or fix something that was already done once!  You are right, that is going to be a pain in the ***!

On the subject of my Mom, she had a paraesophageal hiatus hernia, which is the rare kind of hiatus hernia (only 5% are this type).  It is when a part of the stomach herniates through the eseophageal hiatus and lies beside the esophagus, without movement of the  gastroesophageal junction.

You can read about it here if you are so inclined:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hiatus_hernia 

I just talked to her on the phone, she is in a lot of pain, which is to be expected.  But other than that she is doing good.  I am going to the hospital to see her in a little while.

Ken

Ken

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Posted by Bockscar on Saturday, December 1, 2012 10:34 AM

Sparrowhyperion

Dom.  I would go for the Sukhoi.  A couple of reasons.  From what I understand, the climate in a lot of Canada is pretty severe during the winter.  A bit more so than in the US.  The Russians are experts on designing aircraft which are reliable under those kinds of conditions.  And Russian fighters are known for their rugged reliability.  Secondly, it looks cool... LMAO.... :)

Bockscar

So, we're looking for a new fighter,

I prefer the Raptor, but don't think that will happen, here's a run down:

Dom

Rich:

Yeah, no flys on Sukhoi, I have a few kicking around, love their jets,

and you're right about the 60 below-zero capability,

but after all they are the 'bad-guys'....Devil. I wish we could buy the entire SU operation

from Vlad and build them here......LOL......

They had a massive showing at the Zhukovsky Airshow, wish I had

been there....

Dom

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Posted by Gamera on Saturday, December 1, 2012 4:59 PM

Yeah if the RCAF were flying Su-27s that could lead to some big ID friend/foe issues with the USAF!!!

Probably the most cost efficient might be yes buying more CF-118s (F/A-18s) - maybe even some of the F/A-18 E/F Super-hornets.

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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Posted by Bockscar on Saturday, December 1, 2012 9:08 PM

For sure, Cliff,

new RAM technology can give older proven and reliable birds another 10 years,

the Hornets are already a huge proportion epoxy.

RAM enhanced Eagles would do just as fine.....in the end Super Hornets would probably fit the best.

I gotta tell you, my old 1/72 SAAB Draaaaaken is one of my all time fave' birds.

Dom

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Posted by mikeymize on Saturday, December 1, 2012 10:12 PM

Gamera

Yeah if the RCAF were flying Su-27s that could lead to some big ID friend/foe issues with the USAF!!!

Probably the most cost efficient might be yes buying more CF-118s (F/A-18s) - maybe even some of the F/A-18 E/F Super-hornets.

Yes, the recognition by sight would be a learning curve for the pilots but with them relying so much on Mode 4 IFF and radar etc. who knows if they would even get that close? I suppose they still do at times..

As far as the choice of aircraft I'm going with the MiG 29; no stealth true but for the cost of one F-35 I can have something like five 29's plus Russian airframes very robust comrade! Wink

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