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  • Member since
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  • From: SW Virginia
Posted by Gamera on Monday, February 25, 2013 12:29 PM

Thanks Andy, I'm happy with her. Wish she looked more like yours and Marc's but I'm still happy! This and the Jagdpanzer IV Lang I posted last summer are the only German armour I've done in years.

I used MM Acrylic, I figured when I drybrushed the zimmerit it would lighten up the model. Maybe I should have mixed in a little light tan with the mustard yellow.

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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  • From: Carmel, IN
Posted by deafpanzer on Monday, February 25, 2013 1:11 PM

Only second German armor?  Far better than my second build I built a StuG two years ago and it didn't come out as nice as yours. LOL  

Andy

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  • From: ON, Canada
Posted by jgeratic on Monday, February 25, 2013 1:21 PM

armor86 - digg'n the details you continue to work on Yes

Marc - König is looking most impressive Yes

Eric - great to finally see some of your progress, looks right on Yes

Cliff - nice aerial views, looks like a Tiger II (says the Typhoon pilot... hehe).   Hope you can work out the better lighting. Yes

Malone - regarding turret numbers, I'm with Eric.  It likely was a regimental decision on the choice of colours, but visibilty vs impact on camou was sometimes taken into consideration - exmple: in N.Africa red was more popular as it did not compromise the camouflage.

In some cases a variety of colours could be found in the same regiment.  This was used to either further denote the company or platoon.  In order, the colours would be white, red, yellow, blue, and lastly if required, light green.  (note, both these two snippets of info are from Bruce Culver's publication Panzer Colors II.)

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Tiger update - road wheels have been added.  No dark wash was applied to them, instead just a 50/50 mix of Light Dirt and Sand from Flory (Pro Modeler) weather wash.   The rubber portion was painted tire black (Aeromaster) and I mixed a lighter version of that and applied to the surface area that contacts the tracks.

Most of the colour shift that is discernible on the main body of the tank is from sanding.  I did spray a lighter coat from an atop direction.   Since it was handy, I just mixed some interior buff to the Ral 7008.  Next up are the decals before going in further with weathering.  Also have to weather the exhaust area a bit before adding the PE shields.

regards,

Jack

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  • From: SW Virginia
Posted by Gamera on Monday, February 25, 2013 2:10 PM

Jack: Thanks and nice work there! I should have went with a colour closer to yours.

Andy: Oh no I've done lots of German armour- but that was 10-15 years ago. This Tiger and the Jagdpanzer  are the first I've been trying to use the new techniques like colour modulation and filters etc.  

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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  • From: Nashville, TN area
Posted by bobbaily on Monday, February 25, 2013 5:11 PM

Gamera-your KT looks good to me.....I especially like the camo scheme.

Jack-nice weathering on your Tiger-slightly used but not beaten up.

Bob

 

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  • From: Rain USA, Vancouver WA
Posted by tigerman on Tuesday, February 26, 2013 2:03 AM

SMJmodeler

tigerman:  Great to see some progress...I may have missed them while I was away but I don't recall seeing any pic's from you for this GB.  Great subject!  I'm a Tamiya kit fan and I'd like to build that Jagd someday. 

I really like the camo' work and the tools are superb!  What happened with the dot filter that you're not happy with?  Looking good from where i"m standin'...Stick out tongue

Thanks for the kind words Steve. Until about mid-way through, I used too much thinner on it instead of spreading the oils up and down and getting that great streaking look. 

   http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y269/wing_nut_5o/PANZERJAGERGB.jpg

 Eric 

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Posted by wing_nut on Tuesday, February 26, 2013 7:05 AM

Wow Eric... you may not post a lot of pics but damn... when you do there are pretty nice.

Gamera very KT there

Jack looks good...love teh color.

Marc  

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  • From: NJ
Posted by JMart on Tuesday, February 26, 2013 5:08 PM

Dave – Good job solving the mg problem

Marc – Great work as usual; what color you use for your “scratches”/chips?

Malone – Camo looks good; What mask you used for your camo? Maybe you have a tad of yellow overspray? One of the few things I know about AB is overspray….

Dan – Great detail and work on the Tiger; tool clamp wingnuts (?) are just sick..and great close up pics! I am still trying to master those…

Eric – Great looking Jagdpanther….  

Gamera/Cliff – I actually like that angle, gives a good impression of the size of the turret/barell.

Jack – Tiger looking fine; weathering looks spot on to me

Not much progress at my end, as I complete couple old P51Ds WIPs from couple years ago...  I did start on the wheels, idlers, etc... surprising the amount of flash and mold lines between spokes etc. Spent close to  6 hours this weekend just cleaning up plastic. Will post some pics later this week

Cheers

 

 

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Posted by wing_nut on Tuesday, February 26, 2013 7:16 PM

Thanks JMart.  That's Vallejo 70.822 German Camo Black Brown.

I finished up the chips/scratches/streaks last night. Some real subtle shading of the 3 color to brighten some spot that got dark in the process. Shows up better than in the pics. Unless someone has a suggestion I am going leave the uppers as is and start in on the lower hull area.

Marc  

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Posted by Gamera on Tuesday, February 26, 2013 7:20 PM

Looks great to me Marc, never thought of chipping the paint on the muzzle brake.

And thanks guys, will try to get more photos by the weekend. It rained all day today ruining my hopes for some natural light for photos.

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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Posted by Thunderbolt379 on Tuesday, February 26, 2013 9:52 PM

Wingnut -- utterly fantastic! I feel like an amateur when i look at these stunning finishes!

M/TB379

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  • From: NorthernColorado/ Wyoming
Posted by LedFut390 on Tuesday, February 26, 2013 10:03 PM

Once again, Wow very nice work!!

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  • From: Rain USA, Vancouver WA
Posted by tigerman on Wednesday, February 27, 2013 10:47 AM

Hi Ledfut. Nice of you to pop into our GB. There is still plenty of time to get join the fun. Wink

Marc, your build continues to amaze. I was wondering about the muzzle, whether it might chip or not. Anyone know for sure if it would?

   http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y269/wing_nut_5o/PANZERJAGERGB.jpg

 Eric 

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Posted by Gamera on Wednesday, February 27, 2013 1:37 PM

I would think the muzzle brake would be the first thing to get whacked by tree limbs and brush plus the heat and vibration of the gun firing would knock some paint off. Good thinking Marc, I never really thought about it till now.

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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  • From: Schroon Lake, NY
Posted by SMJmodeler on Thursday, February 28, 2013 8:35 AM

wing_nut:  Well thought out chipping & scratching...executed masterfully.YesYes 

Do you use/drybrush oils to get that look? 

I've noticed you're getting more daring with your weathering in your old age...Stick out tongue  Next thing ya' know you'll be flinging mud clods on your builds!

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  • From: imperial beach, ca
Posted by malone duke on Thursday, February 28, 2013 1:13 PM

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Posted by malone duke on Thursday, February 28, 2013 1:17 PM

for some reason its not letting post comments with my pics, but either way here's a few for now. cleaned up the overspray a little bit..  still looks pretty wierd for me, but i know it'll come together...  and thanks for the markings info guys, i went with the black and white. it still will be a fictional vehicle but at least she'll be periodically correct.

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Posted by malone duke on Thursday, February 28, 2013 1:21 PM

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Posted by jgeratic on Thursday, February 28, 2013 5:45 PM

Marc - chipping on the gun muzzle is a great idea, looks neat to me.  Chipping to me though, infers some sudden impact with a hard object ... so the most likely candidate is shrapnel or a stray bullet from small arms fire. 

This is one of the better photo examples I could find:

regards,

Jack

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  • From: Nashville, TN area
Posted by bobbaily on Thursday, February 28, 2013 6:19 PM

Marc-your weathering technique is outstanding.  I know you've shared your process before, but you would mind  provided a brief summary of the methods/steps you used on your KT?

Malone-looks good-I really like that color scheme-gonna look great.

Bob

 

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  • From: imperial beach, ca
Posted by malone duke on Thursday, February 28, 2013 6:41 PM

so i toned it down a bit with an overpray of super thin buff. and also applied the decals.

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Posted by malone duke on Thursday, February 28, 2013 6:41 PM

oh yeah, she's back on a stick!!!

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Posted by Gamera on Friday, March 1, 2013 9:31 AM

MD: She really looks good!

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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  • From: Rain USA, Vancouver WA
Posted by tigerman on Friday, March 1, 2013 10:50 AM

Malone, those last pictures look much better. I figured the yellow wasn't so bright as the earlier pictures. You probably see it, but there is some camo over-spray on the tracks.

   http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y269/wing_nut_5o/PANZERJAGERGB.jpg

 Eric 

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  • From: imperial beach, ca
Posted by malone duke on Friday, March 1, 2013 11:17 AM

yeah man, i started with some track primer last night... and started with a little filtering.  hopefully tonight i can get some detail painting done.  she's gonna have sideskirts on so we'll see how detailed i get on the tracks and under carraige...  

   i'll see if i get some time tonight to do some individual shout outs, but for now i can say great work everyone. very inspiring...

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Posted by wing_nut on Friday, March 1, 2013 4:29 PM

Thanks for the comments guys.

MD, the buff filter really helps pull it all together. 

Steve, not sure which effect you mean but check my answer to Bob below.

Bob, not a problem.  

Starting with fresh 3 color camo, ambush in this case, in acrylic and all subsequent layers are oils or enamels with white spirits and no gloss coat.

• About 4 or 5 light spray coats of buff at 5-95 paint-thinner ratio to start the fading and tone things down a bit.

• A dirty brownish with a bit of an orangey cast to it (hard to describe) again 5/95, applied with a brush not worrying how even it is but making sure it does run or pool.

• Dot filter of white & and tan(ish) with a bit of dark brown.  Then a 2nd round with dark brown and tiny bits of dark blue in areas like crevices or anything that would look to be a shadowed areas.

• Streaking is AK Inter’l Streaking Grime applied in small thin lines of varied lengths from the top down. When dry but not cured, these are blended with white spirits.

• All the details get a pin wash.  I used AK Dk Brown Wash but raw umber oil thinned with spirits works fine.  A clean brush with spirits is used afterwards to clean up any excess.

• Edges and details were dry brushed to help define them.  I saw on a You Tube video a way that I tried this time and will use form now on.  Instead of a light color and dry brushing the whole thing, each color was selectively brushed.  The green was dry brushed with very light base color green. Same to the red brown and the dk yellow.

• The chips/scratches are Vallejo 70.822, German Cam Black Brown thinned with a bit of water if need be.  One of the tricks is to use a round brush with a real good point and big enough the paint does not dry out to fast in the brush.  I used a #4.

• Small rust streaked added at some of the larger scratches.

• Selectively lighten areas that might have gotten too dark from weathering with some little bits of white oil blended with spirits and the same for too light areas using some raw umber oil.  This is only if it is needed.

• Last thing was to take oils, yellowish, red brown and green.  Use colors that will complement there respective colors in the camo.  Matching the color would be best but close it good enough. Selectively brighten some areas with the color again blending with spirits.    The idea being to add more tonal values.  You may hear this referred to as “mapping”.

As I said, I don’t gloss coat.  There are so few decals I use Future.  A small area of gloss lacquer is sprayed.  The decal is applied in a little brushed area of Future, positioned and then brushed over with a Future.  Blot with a q-tip to get most of it.  When it’s really well cured I will wet sand the decal with some 6000 micro mesh.  A flat coat will finish it off at the very very end to get rid of any shinies.

That’s it from beginning to end.

Marc  

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  • From: Nashville, TN area
Posted by bobbaily on Friday, March 1, 2013 6:24 PM

Thanks Marc-I'll be trying some of your techniques once I settle on a camo scheme.

Bob

 

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Posted by tigerman on Saturday, March 2, 2013 1:55 AM

Cheers Marc. I've gotten away from dry-brushing the tank as a whole. I try to use washes and filters for the most part anymore. Not saying it's perfect, but dry-brushing takes a lot of guts and skill.

   http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y269/wing_nut_5o/PANZERJAGERGB.jpg

 Eric 

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Posted by tigerman on Saturday, March 2, 2013 10:27 PM

Hello............LOL Quiet day today. Well, I tried. I got a little done, but......balked at adding extra weathering to the hull.....for now. I know I need at least a couple of filters on the hull and might add a few chips, but that's never been my game. I'm afraid I might cover the dot-filter streaks. The tracks are befuddling me at the moment, but I will overcome.

   http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y269/wing_nut_5o/PANZERJAGERGB.jpg

 Eric 

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  • From: ON, Canada
Posted by jgeratic on Sunday, March 3, 2013 11:04 AM

My progress has stalled at the decal stage.  I need to make a few of my own, but for some reason the printer ink is beading on the decal paper.  Even tried spraying a flat coat on the paper first, but still the same problem.  May be a result of buying those cheapo refill cartridges.  Plan is to bring a disc of the required graphics to my workplace  this week, and hope the laser printer there gives better results.

In the meantime, received this book in the mail, and will be perusing it's contents for any new painting/weathering ideas.

regards,

Jack

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