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The Official 1943 70th Anniversary Group Build

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Posted by Rigidrider on Wednesday, February 6, 2013 4:42 AM

LOLOLOL... Glad you like!

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Posted by Bish on Tuesday, February 5, 2013 5:08 PM

Doug, more Stuka's, MMMMMMM. heaven.

I am a Norfolk man and i glory in being so

 

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Posted by Dogfish_7 on Tuesday, February 5, 2013 4:37 PM

Here's a 1943 British version, but doesn't give a Suffix.

en.wikipedia.org/.../File:TR_000978_kittyhawk.jpg

This would fit in to a 1:48 Revell/ Monogram P-40B Tiger Shark kit I have:)

Bruce

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Posted by ww2psycho on Saturday, February 2, 2013 8:46 AM

I totally forgot I was a part of this GB. Good thing there isn't a lot done on the tiger yet. I'll get pics soon.

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Posted by Rigidrider on Saturday, February 2, 2013 7:37 AM

Well I was able to get a bit more done last night before my wife got home, The 37mm cannons are together, A set of brass barrels wound have been nice, But I used the kit barrels and just hollowed out the flash cones and a bit of the barrel, looks loads better now. I've always had trouble getting a nice gun barrel color, until I found some metalizing paints in my LHS, After playing with them a bit I found by first putting on a coat of steel or stainless then over coating with the gun metel metalizer paint, let dry then buff down with a Q tip, it renders a pretty convincing gun color. Got the base coats of MM RLM 76 and MM RLM74 on. It came out a bit dry and rough for some reason, but thats OK, nothing a light buffing wont cure. Time to cure out now, Decals next!

Doug

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Posted by sub revolution on Saturday, February 2, 2013 4:08 AM

Ebergurud- Just stunning! I love how you took something so common, yet rarely done, and made such a great example! And the explanation was great too!

Welcome aboard, G_J and Dogfish_7! May I humbly suggest a P-40 in Soviet markings...?

RigidRider-Some more excellent detail work! Can't wait to see the two Stukas together.

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Posted by EBergerud on Thursday, January 31, 2013 2:14 PM

There are good choices for P-40s. Hasegawa does make a 1/32 scale P-40E: not cheap but a better kit than the Revell. Hasegawa also makes a P-40L and P-40N in 1/48 - no doubt both fine kits because Hasegawa doesn't make many bad ones but not bargains. Italeri reboxed the well regarded AMT 1/48 version of the P-40N. Solid kit with a good variety of new decals for about $20. (The decals are needed because so many countries flew the plane.)

If you're looking for a sweet 1943 era plane, it would be hard to miss with Tamiya's F4U-1A Corsair. It was one of those late 90s Tamiya products that are of very high quality and sells for not much more than $20. As far as history goes, it was the mount of the fierce USN and Marine land based fighter squadrons up to their nose in combat in the drive toward Rabaul: Jolly Rogers, Black Sheep etc. These were the gents that killed off a very high % of Japan's veteran pilots in 43, paving the way for the aerial muggings delivered by the Hellcats in 1944.  It was really the Corsair's moment in the spotlight during WWII. The Navy put the more docile and "junior birdman" friendly  Hellcats on the carriers (really a 1944 plane) so once Rabaul was bypassed the Corsairs didn't have much to do until 1945 when the USN decided that a very fast fighter would be useful against Kamikazes and put some on CVs. (The Brits were delighted to get Corsairs and they were widely deployed on RN CVs.) Once in the air the Corsair was a much better aircraft than the Hellcat which is why after the war Corsairs steadily replaced Hellcats as carrier based strike planes and were heavily engaged in Korea. Anyway, a very distinguished aircraft and a very sweet model.

Get something into the GB regardless.

Eric

 

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Posted by Dogfish_7 on Thursday, January 31, 2013 7:07 AM

Looks like they're out of stock. Oh well.

Bruce

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Posted by jgeratic on Thursday, January 31, 2013 3:29 AM

No doubt, the E version was still to be found on frontline service as well as training units.   Problem will be finding the correct markings that fit the year.  Doing an image search for 1943 P-40E you will find quite a variety of choices, I even found one for a Russian fighter based in Leningrad. 

The Revell boxing that has been posted is of Flying Tiger ace Robert L. Scott.  He returned to the States in January 1943.  I don't know if he was still flying this same aircraft in January - your turn to do some research Stick out tongue

Most common decal I found was for the Aleutians during the spring of 1943 ... the one with the huge yellow tiger head on the cowl.

regards,

Jack

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Posted by EBergerud on Wednesday, January 30, 2013 7:09 PM

I can't imagine that anyone was throwing P-40Es away. They were flown in China and by both American and Australian pilots in New Guinea in 1942. But it is true that the Merlin engined models and the P-40N would have been considerably more common a year later.

 

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Posted by Dogfish_7 on Wednesday, January 30, 2013 11:13 AM

Would the P-40E fit into the 43 Build?

Bruce

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Posted by Rigidrider on Tuesday, January 29, 2013 6:21 PM

Got to do a little on the Ju87 "G" tonight... More to follow...

Doug

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Posted by greentracker98 on Monday, January 28, 2013 12:55 AM

Hooray!!! I get my P-47 the first of the month. So, I'll be able to get started on it next week.Geeked

My LHS has been holding it for me for over 2 months now Big Smile

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Posted by G-J on Saturday, January 26, 2013 3:59 PM

Thanks for the information.

I'll start watching for it.  Put me down for a P-40F for the group build.  

(Fortunately, I still have to finish a build.)

On the bench:  Tamyia Mosquito Mk. VI for the '44 group build.  Yes, still.

On deck: 

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Posted by Nathan T on Friday, January 25, 2013 11:24 PM

Its the only merlin P-40 around in 1/48 I think. But aftermarket decals are all over the place for all p-40s.

 

 

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Posted by EBergerud on Friday, January 25, 2013 9:03 PM

There doesn't appear to be a P40 F or L available in regular channels. Performance increases due to Merlin were nothing those seen in the P-51 and the variation was not considered a success. But they were in the MTO. Reminds me that I have a lovely looking Hasegawa Macchi 202 in the stash. That would be a proper 1943 plane.

 

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Posted by G-J on Friday, January 25, 2013 6:59 PM

That's the only P-40F I've found in the 87th FS

On the bench:  Tamyia Mosquito Mk. VI for the '44 group build.  Yes, still.

On deck: 

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Posted by Nathan T on Friday, January 25, 2013 6:42 PM

Ebay...You're looking for the AmTech/Hobbycraft kit?

 

 

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Posted by G-J on Friday, January 25, 2013 5:43 PM

I'd like to join, though I'm finishing up a model for a different build.

I'm planning on a P-40F with the 87th Fighter Squadron, based out of Tunisia.  The 87th was used in the invasion of Sicily, part of Operation Husky.

As soon as I finish my other model, I'll get started.  One of my issues is finding a P-40F...I see Squadron has one, but they are out of stock.  Still looking.

On the bench:  Tamyia Mosquito Mk. VI for the '44 group build.  Yes, still.

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Posted by greentracker98 on Thursday, January 24, 2013 11:15 PM

Well we've had a1942 GB and here we have the 1943 GB. So on this note, I "think" I know what I'm going to do for the 1944 GB. LOL

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Posted by Rigidrider on Thursday, January 24, 2013 5:40 PM

EB...

That is one COOL looking truck! Bravo! Excellent build, Hope you'll be doing more here, would love to see it!

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Posted by checkmateking02 on Wednesday, January 23, 2013 10:07 PM

Nice results, Eric.  Weathering turned out very well.  It makes for an interesting subject that draws attention.

 

 

 

 

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Posted by EBergerud on Wednesday, January 23, 2013 9:35 PM

Okay, here's my Rooskie Model A pick-up done. Details:

1/35 Zvezda GAZ MM 1.5 Ton Truck - 1943 (Zvezda 3574)

Paints: Revell Aqua Color, Gunze Mr. Hobby, Vallejo Model Color

Weathering: Rustall System, Iwata Com.Art paints, Vallejo Acrylic Mediums

There are some earlier pics in this thread showing some of the build. In short, the kit was a pig that almost drove me crazy. Once pounded into submission (more or less) it did serve as an interesting experiment in weathering with all acrylic products (minus a cover layer of clear lacquer that was used to protect the base in the “hairspray” technique). Those wishing details can check a long build post I made in Armor “Zvezda Rooskie Truck with Acrylic Weathering.” Here I'd like to explain why I think this very humble offering belongs in a 1943 group build.

The GAZ MM 1.5 ton truck was a Model A produced under license in the USSR from the late 20s through the early 50s. (There were many variations on the basic theme.) The one pictured is described by Zvezda as the 1943 Model. Before Barbarossa the main factories producing this buggy were near Minsk and were some of the first to be evacuated east of the Urals. In the rush, the machinery required for options like doors, roofs and fenders were left behind. Hence for over a year Soviet Ice Road truckers were making do with a truck largely made of wood and with canvas doors/roofs. In 1943 the situation settled enough that the “new and improved” model here displayed came out. It retains a lot of wood, but it at least has doors and I'm pretty sure metal fenders. (Wonder if it had a heater?) If the kit doesn't look terribly precise, neither did the real ones judging from a number of photos I've seen. Not sure how an American Model A would look to modern eyes, but a wartime Soviet version was short on fit and finish. As the pics will show I did make an effort to dirty the thing up because I think that's one attribute virtually all AFVs in front line service had in common – even if only a few weeks old, they were all dirty. This was a utility vehicle and I doubt made for much off-road use, but as you can see, “off-road” was a relative term in the USSR.

So a humble breed no doubt. But also a small part of a very large revolution in military affairs. The reason World War II took the form that it did was largely because it was history's first war that saw the internal combustion engine in use by every combatant in numbers that still amaze.

In a sense the wars of the Mid-19th century which saw the vital employment of railroads and telegraphs, and were between nations that had the money to buy arms in staggering quantities, were the major break with the past. I think Julius Caesar would have understood Napoleon's battles – I don't think he would have really understood Lee's or Moltke's. Although advances abounded in all fields, the First World War was in many ways as close to the US Civil War as it was to World War II. Field radios and aircraft were giving commanders unprecedented means of looking “over the hill” and means to do something about it. But the log jam that limited operations in the First World War would have been immediately recognizable to Sherman: huge armies were chained to the rail head. The closer you could get to the rail head the better, but the farther you moved away from it (as during an offensive) the more your operations were put on a kind of timer: reach your objective with horses or watch the advance fizzle. (The First Battle of the Marne was the most dramatic example but the great offensives by both sides in 1918 illustrated that nothing had changed.) There were cars and trucks in WWI but in numbers so small that they were only useful for communications and shipment of very high value items. Once beyond the rail head, horses and mules supplied the armies in 1918 just as they had for Alexander the Great. And horses and mules ate huge amounts of fodder that supplying them was a huge headache. This explained why a breakthrough of twenty miles was great work in WWI.

Motorization was certainly at the top of every smart officer's wish list in the interwar period. Tanks of course had shown ominous potential. How one should use tanks was a matter of considerable dispute in this period but everybody wanted more trucks. Indeed, armor visionaries like Guderian (the most sensible of the bunch) or DeGaulle saw that motorizing much of the army was a requisite for AFVs to have any use at all. The Brits made blunders in large number in the 1930s. They also determined to field the first completely motorized army in history and did so with the BEF in 1939-40. Later the American Army expanded the theme. One reason the US Army in Europe was so dangerous was that it had no leg infantry – if you marched it was for tactical reasons. If you could ride the Army could advance 40 miles in a day. (Leg infantry did prove necessary in the Pacific because there were often no roads – at least not until US engineers built them.)

America had money and the Brits fielded a small army. Nations like Germany and the USSR which fielded huge land armies took their horses to war once again. However, with a difference. Both sides were able to support an elite portion of their land forces with mechanized supply as well as mechanized weapons. At every stage of the war in the East, scores of divisions fought a war almost identical to WWI. (It was Stalin's willingness to confront the trench warfare mentality that helped drive up casualties for both sides into the stratosphere. Heaven knows how many WWI style Soviet attacks were made simply to kill Germans. It did work in the long run.) If one looks at the Eastern Front the story there was largely the slipping ability of the Germans to support elite units (although the German armed forces increased in size through 1944, the Feldherr in the Ost never matched the numbers fielded in June 1941) and the growing ability of the Soviets to do so. It has been accurately pointed out that US Lend Lease played a huge role in mechanizing the “Guards” units when the “deuce and a half” started rolling in. (We also sent them thousands of locomotives to complete the circle.) But even humble utility vehicles like the GAZ MM were priceless. They were cheap and hence present in the tens of thousands. The man hours required to move items from one part of a factory complex to another was decreased hugely with trucks, as was keeping the trains loaded to the brim with supplies of all kinds. If the roads allowed it, even a simple and rugged buggy like the GAZ would help expand the army's reach beyond the rail head. Every job done by humble buggies allowed the blue-ticket transport vehicles to serve the Red Army's spear head.

And it was in 1943 when this fact became all too obvious. Soviet counter-offensives after Moscow and Stalingrad had both run out of steam because of logistic over-extension. (And Stalin's periodic bouts of stupidity.) When we think of 1943 we think of Kursk and for good reason. But the battles in the salient to the Soviets were a preliminary to the major action – a massive counter-attack launched both north and south of Kursk. This time the ever more skillful Soviet armies were able to sustain their advances in a way impossible a year before. In the humiliating retreat to the Dnieper the Germans were saved by the mud more than Soviet supply breakdown. In 1944 the spectacular victories over Army Group Center drove home the point more solidly.

And let's not forget that US Model As were doing the same thing in the Arsenal of Democracy – we just didn't need to take them to war. So when the Western allies got back into the war against Germany in 1943, they left their horses behind. (They did buy mules in Italy, but you can't foresee everything.)

The flip side of all of this is that if mechanization was central to economies and armies then oil became the object of war. It is no accident that both Germany and Japan were driven to desperate gambles to gain (among other things) a permanent access to oil supplies. Come to think about it, I rather doubt there would have been a war in Iraq if that area of the world was famous for growing carrots. And all to keep the GAZ MM and it's more famous cousins running.

Eric

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Posted by greentracker98 on Sunday, January 20, 2013 9:47 PM

Hi everyone,

yes they are addicting Nukem. ie I am adding monogram's 1/48 scale P-38, I am doing it for the Force of Nature GB, and My First Time GB and it works for the 1943 GB too this plane "Jeanne" was stationed at Kingscliffe, England in the 55 squadron, 20th fighter group from August 1943 until it was borrowed by someone with a higher rank and then he crashed it in a KIFA. this group came to be known as the Loco Group for it's prowess at killing enemy Locomotives/Trains.

It's almost ready for the paint shop

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Posted by Rigidrider on Saturday, January 19, 2013 8:27 PM

Checkmate...LOL The seen better days look! LOL,,, I like that! Thanks...

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Posted by EBergerud on Saturday, January 19, 2013 7:46 PM

Do believe I completed an Avenger - flew for the USN. My truck is rooskie, but it won't fly. I'm going to be a little pressed for time between stays in St. Paul and Berkeley and I might do a quick M-3 Stuart and give it to the Aussies at Buna/Sandananda. Old and simple kit but it is the right variety and I think the decals are actually pretty close.

Eric

 

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Posted by Nathan T on Saturday, January 19, 2013 7:34 PM

Hmmm...only VVS and Luftwaffe subjects being represented so far...anything else?

 

 

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Posted by Bish on Saturday, January 19, 2013 5:25 PM

I deffinatly know where you guys are coming from. And i think it takes a lot more skill to make a wreck look good than it does a working aircraft.

An He 111 deffinatly gets my vote.

I am a Norfolk man and i glory in being so

 

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Posted by sub revolution on Saturday, January 19, 2013 5:03 PM

I like it, Doug. I like it a lot. I have thought about doing an Eastern Front scene like that with Soviet aircraft, but it will be a while for me. Bish I know where you are coming from. It will take some will power to do that to a Soviet plane, but as Doug said, it is a reflection of the hardships that they went through. Doug, I will update you as finished on the one Stuka, but I will save the photo for the finished diorama.

Nathan- I think the group voted for me doing a HE-111. Gotta finish up a couple other projects first, and decide on a scheme for it.

Thanks, Budd

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Posted by checkmateking02 on Saturday, January 19, 2013 10:47 AM

Very convincing derelict Stuka, Doug.  Nice capture of the "seen-better-days" look.

 

 

 

 

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