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The Official 1943 70th Anniversary Group Build

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Posted by stikpusher on Thursday, October 25, 2012 1:13 AM

I found this interiew with a member of the crew of All American. Not quite the way as described in the emil Wink

www.waterlandblog.com/.../local-b-17-bombardier-recalls-wing-and-a-prayer-mission-on-the-all-american

 

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Posted by stikpusher on Thursday, October 25, 2012 12:16 AM

A few holes in that version of the story

1) the B-17 was based in Africa and not England

2) No USAAF P-51s were flying in England at that time, the few that were in USAAF service in February 1943 were close air support in North Africa

3) If you open or deploy a parachute for any purpose inside an open moving aircraft like that one it will make a huge billowing mess inside and probably get sucked out any opening. Along with whatever or whoever it is attached to.

Yes it obviously happened, but I think someone is making up a fancy BS story to go with it. Much like that email circulating about the origin of "Taps".

Edit- I looked up this aircraft in The Pride of Seattle The Story of the First 300 B-17Fs. The mission where the collision occurred was flown from Biskra airdrome, near Oran in Algeria, not England. And the collision occurred after the bomb run when the aircraft was fighting its way back to base. There was o mention of the controls being severed or parachutes deployed in the aircraft.The in flight photo was taken from another B-17 in the 97th Bomb Group, The Flying Flit Gun

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:B-17-battle-casualty1.gif

this photo of Flying Flit Gun was taken before the 97th transferred from England to North Africa in late 1942.

 

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Posted by corvettemike on Wednesday, October 24, 2012 10:42 PM

Some inspiration from a friend who forwarded this story to me in an email.

WW II B17 Survival Story

B-17 "All American" (414th Squadron, 97BG) Crew

Pilot- Ken Bragg Jr.

Co-pilot- G. Boyd Jr.

Navigator- Harry C. Nuessle

Bombardier- Ralph Burbridge

Engineer- Joe C. James

Radio Operator- Paul A. Galloway

Ball Turret Gunner- Elton Conda

Waist Gunner- Michael Zuk

Tail Gunner- Sam T. Sarpolus

Ground Crew Chief- Hank Hyland

B-17 in 1943

A mid-air collision on February 1, 1943, between a B-17 and a German fighter over the Tunis dock area, became the subject of one of the most famous photographs of World War II. An enemy fighter attacking a 97th Bomb Group formation went out of control, probably with a wounded pilot then continued its crashing descent into the rear of the fuselage of a Fortress named All American, piloted by Lt. Kendrick R. Bragg, of the 414th Bomb Squadron. When it struck, the fighter broke apart, but left some pieces in the B-17. The left horizontal stabilizer of the Fortress and left elevator were completely torn away. The two right engines were out and one on the left had a serious oil pump leak. The vertical fin and the rudder had been damaged, the fuselage had been cut almost completely through connected only at two small parts of the frame and the radios, electrical and oxygen systems were damaged. There was also a hole in the top that was over 16 feet long and 4 feet wide at its widest and the split in the fuselage went all the way to the top gunner's turret..

Although the tail actually bounced and swayed in the wind and twisted when the plane turned and all the control cables were severed, except one single elevator cable still worked, and the aircraft still flew - miraculously! The tail gunner was trapped because there was no floor connecting the tail to the rest of the plane. The waist and tail gunners used parts of the German fighter and their own parachute harnesses in an attempt to keep the tail from ripping off and the two sides of the fuselage from splitting apart. While the crew was trying to keep the bomber from coming apart, the pilot continued on his bomb run and released his bombs over the target.

When the bomb bay doors were opened, the wind turbulence was so great that it blew one of the waist gunners into the broken tail section. It took several minutes and four crew members to pass him ropes from parachutes and haul him back into the forward part of the plane. When they tried to do the same for the tail gunner, the tail began flapping so hard that it began to break off. The weight of the gunner was adding some stability to the tail section, so he went back to his position.

The turn back toward England had to be very slow to keep the tail from twisting off. They actually covered almost 70 miles to make the turn home. The bomber was so badly damaged that it was losing altitude and speed and was soon alone in the sky. For a brief time, two more Me-109 German fighters attacked the All American. Despite the extensive damage, all of the machine gunners were able to respond to these attacks and soon drove off the fighters. The two waist gunners stood up with their heads sticking out through the hole in the top of the fuselage to aim and fire their machine guns. The tail gunner had to shoot in short bursts because the recoil was actually causing the plane to turn.

Allied P-51 fighters intercepted the All American as it crossed over the Channel and took one of the pictures shown. They also radioed to the base describing that the empennage was waving like a fish tail and that the plane would not make it and to send out boats to rescue the crew when they bailed out.. The fighters stayed with the Fortress taking hand signals from Lt. Bragg and relaying them to the base. Lt. Bragg signaled that 5 parachutes and the spare had been "used" so five of the crew could not bail out. He made the decision that if they could not bail out safely, then he would stay with the plane and land it.

Two and a half hours after being hit, the aircraft made its final turn to line up with the runway while it was still over 40 miles away. It descended into an emergency landing and a normal roll-out on its landing gear.

When the ambulance pulled alongside, it was waved off because not a single member of the crew had been injured. No one could believe that the aircraft could still fly in such a condition. The Fortress sat placidly until the crew all exited through the door in the fuselage and the tail gunner had climbed down a ladder, at which time the entire rear section of the aircraft collapsed onto the ground. The rugged old bird had done its job.

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Arm yourselves the truth shall be revealed In my sword I trust...

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Posted by Old Ordie on Monday, September 24, 2012 2:31 PM

Thanks, Budd.  The badge looks all kinds of great ... great pinup, great airplane, great colors, great clouds ...

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Posted by sub revolution on Saturday, September 22, 2012 6:53 AM

Good catch! Thanks!

All fixed.

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Posted by Old Ordie on Friday, September 21, 2012 3:37 PM

sub revolution

... jgeratic and Ordie, good catches on the badge, I fixed it, and since everyone seems to like it, I'm adding it to the front page.

Budd,

I don't see the fixed-up badge on the front page ... Wink.

Mark (aka Old Ordie)

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Posted by sub revolution on Wednesday, September 12, 2012 4:57 AM

lawdog and taxtp, gotcha both down. What scale for yours, lawdog?

Thanks for the input guys! Looks like it will be the Heinkel for me. Now I need to decide on markings... I would like to do something different, like Hungarian or Romanian markings, but those are hard to find info on. I have some leftover Hungarian markings from the IL-2 that I did, so that might be the easiest route.

Thanks, Budd

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Posted by taxtp on Tuesday, September 11, 2012 7:26 PM

I haven''t scheduled in my annual Wildcat for 2013. Therefore, I'll pencil it in for this GB.1/72 Wildcat by Dragon. It's an F4F-4, but I'm not sure whether it'll be finished in USN or FAA markings yet.

Cheers

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Posted by taxtp on Sunday, September 9, 2012 2:30 AM

Hi Sub,

My vote is for the 111.

Cheers

Tony

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Posted by Bish on Sunday, September 9, 2012 1:55 AM

sub revolution

Shameless bump!

Ok gang, after carefully looking through my stash, here are my options: (all 1/72 aircraft!)

Grumman Avenger (though I would like to save this for 1944 and do either George Bush or Paul Newman's mount.)

Yak 9

He 111

Ju87 (though we already have one on the roster, so I would like to do something different.)

Jake Japanese seaplane

Cant Z 506 (I really want to do this one, but I can't find any reference showing what markings would be appropriate with 1943. I'm hoping one of our Italian members can help me out on that.)

So what do you guys think I should do?

Thanks, Budd

The Germaholic in me says He 111. But that cant is a bit different. I hope you can get the right decals.

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Posted by lawdog114 on Saturday, September 8, 2012 11:29 PM

Pencil me in....Hasegawa FW 190, likely the A-6...

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Posted by sub revolution on Saturday, September 8, 2012 10:32 PM

He was a gunner. Turned out the guy did a lot of stuff.

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Posted by checkmateking02 on Saturday, September 8, 2012 9:39 PM

I didn't know Paul Newman flew and Avenger!

 

 

 

 

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Posted by corvettemike on Saturday, September 8, 2012 9:06 PM

I vote for the Avenger done as Paul Newman's mount. for '44. For this one I like the HE-111..

I might change mine at some point before 2013 depending if I find any good deals at the upcoming modelfest. I like the story associated with blonde bomber but I really don't care for aircraft lol. If I find some armor that fits the bill you'll probably see a change.

Rise my brothers we are blessed by steel in my sword I trust...

Arm yourselves the truth shall be revealed In my sword I trust...

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Posted by sub revolution on Saturday, September 8, 2012 8:44 PM

Shameless bump!

Ok gang, after carefully looking through my stash, here are my options: (all 1/72 aircraft!)

Grumman Avenger (though I would like to save this for 1944 and do either George Bush or Paul Newman's mount.)

Yak 9

He 111

Ju87 (though we already have one on the roster, so I would like to do something different.)

Jake Japanese seaplane

Cant Z 506 (I really want to do this one, but I can't find any reference showing what markings would be appropriate with 1943. I'm hoping one of our Italian members can help me out on that.)

So what do you guys think I should do?

Thanks, Budd

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Posted by checkmateking02 on Wednesday, September 5, 2012 8:34 AM

My in-laws live in New Orleans.  They took my wife and me over to Mobile to see it three years ago.  Probably what sparked an interest now in ships.  

 

 

 

 

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Posted by sub revolution on Wednesday, September 5, 2012 5:16 AM

Ah, the Alabama. Driven by it a few times, but never stopped in to see it. I look forward to seeing it!

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Posted by checkmateking02 on Tuesday, September 4, 2012 8:48 PM

For my contribution to the build, I'll do up Hasegawa's 1/700 scale USS Alabama in her 1943 Measure 22 camouflage scheme (actually she wore the same outfit in '44 and '45, too; must have had a small wardrobe).  I was going to start on it soon anyway; I'll just push it back a little.

It's the only kit in the stockpile that fits 1943, except for Hasegawa's 1/72 "Knockout Dropper," the first B-17F to finish 50 missions (November '43, and later, March, '44 75 missions), but I'm not sure the decals are appropriate for that year.  If I have time, maybe I'll do both--or leave "Knockout Dropper" for '44.

For right now, though, I'll just go with Alabama.  Thanks, Sub.

 

 

 

 

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Posted by Bish on Tuesday, September 4, 2012 1:36 PM

paint.net, thanks sub. That will certaintly be better than trying to jutify to the other half several hundred £'s just so i can make a few GB badges. I will give that a try.

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Posted by sub revolution on Tuesday, September 4, 2012 1:34 PM

Wow, I guess I had not seen the original for that! I only found the version of her with the B17, though I thought she looked a little more modern than most pinups.

I use a program called paint.net which is a free dowload. It doesn't do quite everything that photoshop does, but it's close.

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Posted by Bish on Tuesday, September 4, 2012 12:46 PM

jgeratic1

The pin-ups themselves are easily google searched. 

The 1942 badge with the saluting girl is an actual war period creation by Earl MacPherson (1910-1993)

The girl that appears in this thread is a modern creation by Greg Hildebrandt.  It was actually his daughter in law that posed for this on an a real corsair.

regards,

Jack

So what did you use to get from that to the badge. Was it photoshop, or something else. I really want to be able to do badges like this, but photoshop costs a lot of money.

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Posted by jgeratic on Tuesday, September 4, 2012 12:20 PM

The pin-ups themselves are easily google searched. 

The 1942 badge with the saluting girl is an actual war period creation by Earl MacPherson (1910-1993)

The girl that appears in this thread is a modern creation by Greg Hildebrandt.  It was actually his daughter in law that posed for this on an a real corsair.

regards,

Jack

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Posted by sub revolution on Tuesday, September 4, 2012 3:17 AM

Bish and taxtp, got you guys added! We are getting a respectable list now!

jgeratic and Ordie, good catches on the badge, I fixed it, and since everyone seems to like it, I'm adding it to the front page.

Looking forward to seeing what everyone comes up with!

Thanks, Budd

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Posted by taxtp on Monday, September 3, 2012 9:11 PM

Good badge, very good. I'll join with a kit that I'll have to think about.

Cheers

Tony

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Posted by Old Ordie on Monday, September 3, 2012 6:11 PM

Love the badge, but would suggest editing the meatball out of the center of the national insignia, as it was UA by '43.  Next time I fire up the photo editor, I'll see if I can fix that.  (Really, I do love the badge - '42 was great, too - where do you get these things... Stick out tongue?)

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Posted by Bish on Monday, September 3, 2012 4:27 PM

Just seen the badge. I like.

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Posted by Bish on Monday, September 3, 2012 4:26 PM

I wasn't able to do the 42 build, but next year is pretty open at the moment, so i am in. I know i have a couple of Tigers that fit the bill, but going to see what aircraft i have that i can do. Hopefully a Fw 190 or Me 109. But will have to check the stash.

I am a Norfolk man and i glory in being so

 

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Posted by jgeratic on Monday, September 3, 2012 4:18 PM

Yes that badge is wonderful!

I'd suggest only one minor change and that is increase the 1943 logo size as right now all the elements are of equal size.  That will help emphasize that the year is the cornerstone for the subject of this upcoming build.

Something like this for example:

regards,

Jack

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Posted by corvettemike on Monday, September 3, 2012 2:05 PM

Works for me as well.

Rise my brothers we are blessed by steel in my sword I trust...

Arm yourselves the truth shall be revealed In my sword I trust...

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Posted by ww2psycho on Monday, September 3, 2012 12:09 PM

Badge works for me!

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