Fw 190 Butcher Bird 2013 (extended to June 2014) Group Build

blackdog62

Greg.   Howdy how's the Edward kit coming along ?

I'm going to do 1 more build with you guys it's going to be a another hobby boss this time TA-152 c-1

There's not enough time to take on a nice Edward kit.

Haha...there's plenty of time to do an Eduard 190....if anything like my attempt...work on it a couple of nights until you get to the nose and gun cover assembly and throw it in the trash.

Props to all those who can and have finished an Eduard 190!!

I have several Edward kits in my stash a couple biplanes and 4 190s are all Edward kits difficult  ?

those grey mask that you showed above are exactly the 1s I have they came in top color reference books with no instructions.

but there all for 1/32 and I have no kits in that size.

The problem with most Eduard kits is that they normally don't have a lot of (if any) locator pins. The kits themselves are designed to go together without too many problems only if you get every part perfectly in place though. If you get one single part or subassembly out of alignment you can end up having a lot of fit issues. The 190s are perfect examples for this. Eduard's Hellcat kits are way easier to build though. They don't have locating pins either, but they consist of a lot less parts and you don't have to align them that well in order to make things fit. I also heard great things about their Spitfires, but I don't have any of those in my stash (not a huge Spit fan)

blackdog62

I have several Edward kits in my stash a couple biplanes and 4 190s are all Edward kits difficult  ?

those grey mask that you showed above are exactly the 1s I have they came in top color reference books with no instructions.

but there all for 1/32 and I have no kits in that size.

Well............lol........they ones I've built have had some kinks to work out...I wouldn't say they are difficult necessarily. I also wouldn't recommend every one of them that I've built to you if you wanted one. I feel like the issues I had with the ones I've got experience with are all things that a competent modeler should be able to overcome, or need to learn to if they haven't yet...so they can be a learning experience. I'll outline my experience:

1/48 Hellcat (F4F5): Easy and great build I had zero problems with it...went together effortlessly

1/48 FW 190 A8: Trashed it. Like most their other kits it seems you're going to have to do some serious fiddling to close up hatches they intend to be open. The problem here was the gun covers wouldn't cooperate, but bigger still was the whole assembly aft of the fuselage. Poorly engineered and like was said above it seems like the lack of location aids means its a crap shoot as the whether you're going to end up being able to align everything if you want it closed up.

1/48 Bf110 C: Huge problems with the fitting of the engine nacelles to the wings. Major steps on topside and serious gaps requiring shims on underside. Easily solved with the buildup of a good putty. The nose gun hatch is also meant to be open, so closing in results in some necessary shimming because the top half is actually a couple milimeters shorter than it needs to be.

1/32 BF 109: First my fuselage was warped....one half was twisted around it's axis. I bought this kit second had at a show, so it could have been a storage issue (garage + Texas summer = :() This took some work heating with a hair dryer and shaping it to align with other half, but no biggie. The big issues AGAIN came with fitting the cowl cover having opted not to display the engine. The piece was too wide so the nose had to be spread a bit with a piece of sprue.

I'd like to have another go at the FW...it was a build early on in returning to the hobby and I think I got frustrated and let it beat me. The others were nice builds and I'd build them again if the mood stuck me. None of the issues with the were not something that could be handled like I said.

Don't fear any of the ones you have.Just be ready for the challenge should you run into something. Their new kits are getting better and better.the Mig 21s are loved and the Spitfire is supposed to be even better. I have it but haven't built it yet.

Ok I get it now. Thank you ss

Sorry Ive been under the radar for a while, working too hard -- I teach three classes and essays are due along with homework, so it's work, work, work -- I try to squeeze in some styrene distraction every day but yesterday was a no-show... Awesome work happening here in every way! Joe, your airbrushing is jaw-dropping! I only wish I could spray that well! Dflu78, you have me hankering for the painting stage so I can give masks a whirl! My primary concern was to avoid issues with big areas of carrier film when doing late war open crosses, but they all look so good I find myself thinking of being more extensive!

I'm working on shimming the fit of the engine on my A-8, and I think I'm getting close to mounting the engine. I'll try to get a pic up later today.

Cheers, M/TB379 (also hoping to squeeze in an extra build before the end, a ex-Trimaster D-9 )

Dflu78  that's what I'm doing getting back into it after 20+ yr break so I have bin working on the older one before I take on some of the new high-end ones.

It just so happens 2 of  Edwards are  the 190a8 .

I have seen a few of the builders here in the GB and how they have handled those open / closed panels

Thank you for taking the time put all the info down for me.

blackdog62

Dflu78  that's what I'm doing getting back into it after 20+ yr break so I have bin working on the older one before I take on some of the new high-end ones.

It just so happens 2 of  Edwards are  the 190a8 .

I have seen a few of the builders here in the GB and how they have handled those open / closed panels

Thank you for taking the time put all the info down for me.

No problem. Overall I think Eduards kits are really nice. You shouldn't have any problems once you get comfortable again. I've not had a 20 year break...but 4-5 years I got as rusty as I can imagine is possible. :D

The Build:

Wow this one really progressed quickly. I guess I was doing a lot more in between stages while finishing up the P-40 because here I am already with main body assembly complete.

This is the point where I feel I can evaluate a kit and I have to say WOW....what an absolute delight.There is ZERO filler on this kit that's a result of fit. The only filler I did have to use was where I got overzealous with the xacto removing some sprue nubs and had to do a repair. EVER SINGLE JOIN of the main assembly in on a panel line, and they all fit perfectly. This kit didn't fall together like a Tamiya Uber kit, but it didn't fight one bit. I'll be doing another one before I know it since I really like a lot of the late war schemes found on Doras

Anyway, here she is. I just need to finish up a couple of detail painting issues after my typical black primer dries and it will be time for some surface primer.

QUESTION for the experts....should the supercharger scoop have a weld seam or panel line down it like on the 109? Seems to me one or the other is correct because there is the beginnings of an engraved line on the fuselage leading up to where the scoop will attach. It'd be easy enough to scribe, or recreate with a piece of stretched sprue; I just want to make sure it's correct first.

dflu78

QUESTION for the experts....should the supercharger scoop have a weld seam or panel line down it like on the 109? Seems to me one or the other is correct because there is the beginnings of an engraved line on the fuselage leading up to where the scoop will attach. It'd be easy enough to scribe, or recreate with a piece of stretched sprue; I just want to make sure it's correct first.

Good looking build there dflu. I have just had a look in the Squadron walk around and it looks like a weld seam, and the caption calls it that. But its so fine, from any further away than right in front of you, its hardly noticeable.

Nice looking work, dflu!

Looking sharp dflu. Keep it coming.

Wow, you are moving right along, there, dflu. Looking good!

There's Greg!!!! Good to see you man!

mustang1989

There's Greg!!!! Good to see you man!

Dflu78. Looking good can't wait to see on of the late war camo paint jobs on it.

Joe and Joe, thanks for the encouragement. :)

Not sure about a "flurry' of build activity, but there are some scattered showers occurring. Just at a point where nothing really to post pics of. Lots of head scratching coming up, as in 'what do I do next?' (now building the powerplant). Attaching it looks to be quite an adventure. Not sure whether to start painting the exterior of the main body (less the cowling) before mounting the engine, or what. That sort of thing. (I think that's how I've seen you guys do it??)

I'd suggest you glue it in place with some white glue and build the cowling. Then dry-fit the cowling to the fuselage and sort out any fit issues that might occur. Once you're happy with the fit of the front end, you can either remove the engine and cowling and paint them separately (probably the best thing to do if you want to display her opened up) or permanently attach both using proper plastic glue

I hope this helps....

It was an airbrushing kind of night. I've been using Mr. Finishing Surfacer as of late, but I grabbed some Tamiya Surface Primer (in the bottle, not the spray) and figured I'd give that a try. Will likely be converting. I like Mr. Surfacer, but I always have some hiccups with it being grainy around wing roots...the Tamiya stuff went down silky smooth.



I let that dry a couple of hours and the laid down the white in preparation for masking the stripes and insignia etc.

dflu -- Tamiya Surface Primer, that sounds good -- what's the product code? If it can be put conventionally through the AB, that's great. The D-9 is looking GREAT, BTW!

Today I discovered the Italeri edition of the Trimaster Ta-152 H-1 in my stash, I knew it was rhere, I just didn't know it was easily accessible... I'm seriously considering fielding it for this GB!

M/TB379

Thunderbolt379

I just didn't know it was easily accessible... I'm seriously considering fielding it for this GB!

Greg

Attaching it looks to be quite an adventure. Not sure whether to start painting the exterior of the main body (less the cowling) before mounting the engine, or what

Mustang -- :-) you talked me into it (wasn't hard...) I've want5ed to try my hand at a Trimaster kit for years, I have several in the stash in one form or another, so this'll be an interesting introduction. It looks like the standard ancillary paintjob -- 66 interior, 02 gear bays and struts, 70 prop and spinner, and the camo schemes in the kit are interesting, Green 1 and Yellow 1. The paints are given in FS equivalents so I'll need to round up the actual RLMs if known...

M/TB379

Awesome!! I'll get you down in the intro post!!

I'll grab a box shot hopefully tomorrow, and get started asap. While I have the 70, 66 and 02 in the AB I might as well pre-paint props, cockpits and gear bays for a couple more Bf 109s on the shelf, and get the cockpit ready on my entry for the Stuka GB -- they're all the same paints!

M/TB379

PS: What colour is the instrument shroud under the windscreen on the 190? 66 or straight black??

Thunder look forward to seeing !  Dflu78 looking good sir !!  Herman's been working his plastic butt off and color should be on our bird today or tomorrow ,,,,, I hope....

Clemens and Joe, thanks for the advice, mates. I'll get that a go then.

Joe, not sure if the front end will end up opened up or closed yet. I am proceeding as if something will be opened though.

dflu and anyone re Tamiya primer, where are folks finding this stuff in bottles? I've only been able to find the aerosol. Really like it but don't like shooting out of spray cans and I've not the patience to decant pain.

Dflu: That primer coat looks great! I have to give it a go as well at some point, but I don't know how to thin the Tamiya primer. Is it Lacquer based? My bottle is labelled in Japanese only, so I can't read it...

Greg: Decanting isn't that hard a all. Simply take an empty paint jar (a big one), attach a sjort hose to the nozzle of the spray can and spray right into the jar. put a toothpick into the paint to help all to get rid of all the excess gas in the paint and wait a bit. then simply screw the lid onto the jar and you're ready to go.

Welcome aboard, Mike!!! (funny a newbie (me), welcoming a senior member (you), no?

Clemens, ok, you talked me into it. I'll give it a go. (re decanting Tamiya primer)

Double I get mine from the phony shop it's lacquer base lays down nice and Disney toll up when sanding very smooth. If you can get famous paint maybe they can order it for you. Depending on e.p.a. laws.

Dflu 78 getting to the part I like the painting.

Thunder    I would really like to see that Tristan build lost of nice reviews on them. I guess you can be tough also.