Fw 190 Butcher Bird 2013 (extended to June 2014) Group Build

Nice work Stout. Good mottling for your first try. I have the Iwata HP-CS and don't worry- That brush is capable of all sorts of fine work/mottling. The rest is up to the user and the paint, and MM acrylics are a tough sell. Looks like you found a happy ratio with them. I used them once for Luftwaffe mottle on a 1 48 Ju88, and with all the tip clog and spattering, I took me 3 freakin hours. I then switched to Gunze and never looked back. Your upper wing camo looks good for early 190 schemes, nice, soft edge but no overspray.

Jester and Nathan: I just eyeball the mix. I suppose I end up in the 2-1 or 3-1 neighborhood of thinner to paint. I've had some previous successes with the MM thinner, but I've had lots of either failures or situations where I ended up OK, but always felt like disaster was just around the corner. I would often start out just fine, but within a few minutes, the brush would start to clog and spit. If I stopped and thinned more, I'd often end up with the watery runs (so to speak). The paint dries really fast with the alcohol, which seems to work  better for me, and the paint seems to hold together better. The finish does seem a little more delicate, at least with Tamiya. Still very much a learning experience, but painting becomes my favorite part of the hobby when I'm not battling the airbrush.

Great work Stoutfella. I'm like you. I'm dreading the mottle but have a couple of ideas in store for it. I'm going to try it free hand first and see what I come up with on a spare 190. Your mottle job looks like one of the pros did it though!

Still having some fit issues. Re-test fit the fuselage to the wing assy and have some problems as far as the fuselage is offset roughly 1 mm which shows bad! I just put it down this morning after I saw that. Not giving up or nothing just giving my thinking cap time to warm up(It should be there as much as I've had to wear it with this ***!) Metal MG151 gun barrels are awesome. Look like they belong there. Will have an update tomorrow morning hopefully with good results!!!!!!!!!!!

Bish

don't have any Aero detail books, i will have to look into that

Yes you do Bish. The Aero Detail series is always my first pic when I'm building stuff, That is if AD has one for the model I'm building. Always go with an AD. Lots and lots of useful information particularly on the more famous birds. I was a little surprised at the 190 A/F book not have as much info as say a 109 book but its still up there in the info department.

Man, Joe, That sucker is just fighting you every step of the way. I hope stepping away leads you to an epiphany of a solution.

What are you saying Mustang? The fuselage is still warped a bit? Hey I'll get them scans to you tomorrow, been down with the dang flu/sinus infection the past week and been too down in the dumps to model much.

stoutfella, thats looking sweet. I was the same before doing my first mottle a couple of years ago, an Me 262. And like you i was pretty pleased with the results.

72nd is all i am really used to, haven't been doing it since i started modelling. When i am handling a kit like a 190, it may be quite small in my hands, but it just feels right. When i came back to the hobby 5 years ago, after only a 5 years break, i did notice my eyes were aching trying to focus on detail, which they hadn't before. But i got an optivisor and that was one of the best tools i have ever bought. I think when i finally get round to a 32nd build, my brain is going to go into over load.

What was the problem you had with spraying future.

Joe, i noticed that the sight mount was off set when i fitted the PE piece. If it wasn't for that, i would probably have fitted it wrong. Those quickboost sets do look rather nice, i got both sets of German sights while i was at it. They do look pretty small so going to have to be careful i don't lose one.

Eric, i do like that scheme myself. The other 3 on there are all A-5's, but i got it as i was drawn to the checkboard nose.

Mustang, i will deffinatly get some of those. Are they still in print, i found a couple from their series on Amazon that were going for silly money. Sounds like your haveing a tough time with this one.

It is the Eduard Royal Class kit your having issues with isn't it.

Bish

Mustang, i will deffinatly get some of those. Are they still in print, i found a couple from their series on Amazon that were going for silly money. Sounds like your haveing a tough time with this one.

It is the Eduard Royal Class kit your having issues with isn't it

Yeah its the Royal Class kit thats giving me all of this grief however its the same mold as the weekend edition. I couldn't turn back on the fuselage and start over simply because there's just too darn much work put into the fuselage. Hate to give progress up. Found a potential problem area this morning so am working on fixing it. Cross your fingers!!!!!!!!

Nathan T

What are you saying Mustang? The fuselage is still warped a bit? Hey I'll get them scans to you tomorrow, been down with the dang flu/sinus infection the past week and been too down in the dumps to model much.

 Thank you in advance for the pics. Getting ready to build that area of the plane after I get this fit issue worked out...............and I will. Take care Nathan.

As i understand it, all these different kits Eduard come out with, Weekend, Royal, Profipack etc are the same kits with different extras. But i am suprised such a high price kit would have this many issues. This is the sort of thing you would extra from a small company making Ltd Run kits.

You also have to remember that it's been tucked away in my garage for 7 years now with the heat and all. Its the only thing I can come up with. But............my 1/24 th Bf109 was in there with it. Hmmmm

I've been threatening to email Eduard. May do that today.

I would, can't hurt. If there customer service is as good as Aires, you might get a positive response.

Thanks for the push on emailing Eduard. Just sent it off a few minutes ago. Will let you all know what happens.

JOE RIX

Man, Joe, That sucker is just fighting you every step of the way. I hope stepping away leads you to an epiphany of a solution.

Bish

stoutfella, thats looking sweet. I was the same before doing my first mottle a couple of years ago, an Me 262. And like you i was pretty pleased with the results.

72nd is all i am really used to, haven't been doing it since i started modelling. When i am handling a kit like a 190, it may be quite small in my hands, but it just feels right. When i came back to the hobby 5 years ago, after only a 5 years break, i did notice my eyes were aching trying to focus on detail, which they hadn't before. But i got an optivisor and that was one of the best tools i have ever bought. I think when i finally get round to a 32nd build, my brain is going to go into over load.

What was the problem you had with spraying future.

Thanks for the kind words. As always, much appreciated. My only previous try at spraying Future was with the Talon airbrush. It's a beautiful tool when it cooperates, but is finicky as heck for me, and the Future started spitting and clogging pretty quickly, so It would suddenly shoot out a big, runny puddle. I was just trying it on a sheet of plastic, so I didn't mess up the NMF Mustang I was working on, but I haven't tried it since. I'm liking the Iwata brush enough to take another shot. What's best for thinning Future if needed?

Stout, i have no idea about thinning Future. I use a badge airbrush with a medium needle so i haven't had an issue with it. I am guessing any Acrylic thinner might do, but maybe somthging worth asking on the painting page.

Mustang, fingurs crossed you get a good reply soon.

I have used Future exclusively as my gloss coating and have never thinned it.  I am using a Badger 150 dual action airbrush with the fine tip.  All that i do is (and this might sound silly) is crank my pressure up as high as it goes (i think 20-22psi) and keep the brush around 3-5 inches from the model.  I will go slowly across and build up the gloss with several coats.  Been doing this for several years and never ran into problems.

To clean the brush i just run a full paint cup (the small cup that slides into the bottom) of windex through it and then rinse with water.

HTH.

Matt

Hey Bish - Here is a couple of options for the Aero Detail book that I came across doing a quick search. I got mine off ebay for $40.00. Joe had initially sent me a website that had them but, I can longer find it. Anyway these are at least a couple of fair deals

http://www.hlj.com/product/mdgad06

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Aero-Detail-6-Focke-Wulf-Fw-190A-F-/150962032372?pt=US_Nonfiction_Book&hash=item232609cef4

Greetings,

I worked up my courage and sprayed the Future, unthinned, about 18 PSI or so, without incident. I put on several thin coats, but didn't put on a thick "wet" coat as I wanted to be sure I avoided runs. So it wasn't a glossy, glass smooth finish, but at least a little better than the results I've been getting with MM acrylic gloss. I polished it up a bit with some 8000 grit and would love to dive in on the decals immediately, but I'm going to refrain until tomorrow to let it cure up. Pics to follow.

And I'm still waiting for the wheels I ordered 10 days ago. They were shipped last week via USPS Priority Mail from about 70 miles away and still aren't here. I don't blame the seller, I blame the Postal Service. Sheesh!

Joe,

I bet you were thinking of RZM Imports. They stock the Model Graphix Aero Detail books. I bought from them a few years ago and they did right by me. 

Great books, well worth the $40 they charge. Even better if you can find it for less!

Best regards,

Mike

benzdoc

Joe,

I bet you were thinking of RZM Imports. They stock the Model Graphix Aero Detail books. I bought from them a few years ago and they did right by me. 

Great books, well worth the $40 they charge. Even better if you can find it for less!

Best regards,

Mike

mustang1989

benzdoc

Joe,

I bet you were thinking of RZM Imports. They stock the Model Graphix Aero Detail books. I bought from them a few years ago and they did right by me. 

Great books, well worth the $40 they charge. Even better if you can find it for less!

Best regards,

Mike

Thats it! You hit it on the nail. I told Joe about that site last November when I ordered the Fw190 Aero Detail book from them and couldn't for the life of me remember who  it was. What a mental block I had with this! Thanks a million benzdoc! I'm putting them suckers in my favorites right now.

 

Bingo! We have a Winner! Thanks benzdoc.

Thanks benzdoc, i think even with shipping that will be cheaper than Amazon or E-Bay. Nice one.

Stout, good news, glad to hear it went well this time.

Good news on the Aero Detail Book Bish! You'll like it I swear.

News on my 190. I am having to fit the front of the fuselage first and then after that is dried I'm going to fit the rear of the fuselage to the lower wing at the back of the wing. Test trials are so far giving good results. Well...........so far so good. I'm happy with it anyways.

Started decaling this morning and nearly screwed the pooch. Put one of the wing crosses on with some Microset and decided to hit it with some Microsol. So I took the lid off the bottle, dipped my brush in and was *this* close to covering the decal when I happened to notice the bottle said "Microweld" not Microsol.

Nice save!! That would have been baaaad!

...Too many "Micros". Probably woulda eaten some paint??

Hi add me to the list too. Just pop the box on the 1/48 Dragon "Oscar Boesch" FW-190A-8.

Scott

Doug - The modeling Gods must have taken pity on you to save you at the last minute.

Scott - Welcome to the GB. Glad to have you.

 Well, I have some progress pics to share here. But, first I need to give a great big Thinks to Mr. Aaron Skinner for his How To video on on how to choose a camera for photographing models. His tip on the macro setting led me to find that on my camera a seemingly improved my pictures immensely. Thusly, here is my first test.

 Here is the brass gun barrels and pitot tube fitted into the wing. I carved grooves for the brass fittings using my Dremel and an engraving bit prior to gluing the halves together.

 Next had to to do a bit of surgery on the fuselage prior to putting the two halves together. The first step was to cut out the hole in the forward canopy shroud which the gun sight fit through. Then I drilled out the hand holds on the side of the shroud. Sorry, this pic turned out a bit on the bright side.

 The next step was to take care of an annoying little aspect of this build and that was that the tail wheel well was molded solid with the tail wheel molded onto it. Again, I put my trusty Dremel and engraving bit to the task and carved it out, leaving just a small bit of plastic as attachment points for the gear. A little paint work ought to hide the attachment points. I am quite satisfied with how it turned out. Here are before and after pics.

Before:

After:

That is all have for the moment. Upcoming is to glue the fuselage halves together and fit the cockpit in. For now, Keep bringin' It Gentlemen.

                                              Joe