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Fw 190 Butcher Bird 2013 (extended to June 2014) Group Build

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Posted by Nathan T on Saturday, March 2, 2013 10:25 AM

Rix- Seen that video. Cool how the old factory codes are still showing. I've read that the aircraft experienced engine failure on a mission and the pilot had to put it down in the Forrest. It seems rags were found in the oil lines. Sabatoge!

Lawdog- Thats some sweet paint work. Glad to hear the Gunze is working for you. Just be aware, it dries slower than Tamiya does because its gloss, so don't mask over it until the tack goes away.

 

 

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Posted by Nathan T on Saturday, March 2, 2013 11:28 AM

blkhwkmatt

Nathan T - those birds are looking sweet! How well does the alcad gloss work?  I have been using Future for years, mainly because it is cheap and when I use the artist oils for washes it holds up well.  I never manage to get such a smooth looking surface though.

Matt- I used Aclad Aqua Gloss and it works great. A little tricky to get used to. I use a larger .5mm tip on my Iwata and the psi is about 18. Any higher and it seems to go on a bit rough. Just like any Gloss clear, you keep your tip farther away from the surface and let the paint go on somewhat thicker just before it starts to run, and it will level out nice. The gloss is pre-thinned but I dump in a drop or 2 of liquitex retarder, as I get a little tip dry. If you're not quite happy just wait 10 min and give it another coat, and it will look even smoother. It tries rock hard in 1 day and handles oils just fine. My other go-to gloss is Polyscale, and I think that airbrushes even better, but its trickier to thin and takes about 1 extra day to dry. Throw away that Future bull&^$#! It handles decal solutions good too, but I've found too much solvaset will hurt the clearcoat...in-case you use that stuff.

 

 

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Posted by lawdog114 on Saturday, March 2, 2013 2:44 PM

Rigidrider

Enjoying watching this one come together! Question please...#3 "took out my trusty mirror glass piece"? Understand the Tamiya tape, good stuff, ...mirror glass piece?

 
Thanks for the compliments guys.  Doug, I suppose a picture would have been better. The mirror is actually an 8 inch square piece of beveled glass with a mirrored surface.  I got it at a craft store (I dont remember which) for a few bucks.   Its great for this purpose and I use it for cutting the tape when I mask my canopies too. 
 
Joe
 
 
 

 

 

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Posted by mustang1989 on Saturday, March 2, 2013 5:50 PM

Thanks for sharing that about the mirror Joe. Will be adding one of those to my bench. Great idea.

                   

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Posted by Archangel Shooter on Saturday, March 2, 2013 7:16 PM

Joe...that is just an amazing job on the cowling squares, don't think I would have the patience to attempt such a thing.

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Posted by Rigidrider on Saturday, March 2, 2013 7:45 PM

Law Dog,

Gotcha... Thanks for the reply, I can feel a trip to the Hobby Lobby coming on! LOL!

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Posted by mustang1989 on Sunday, March 3, 2013 5:56 AM

Archangel Shooter

Joe...that is just an amazing job on the cowling squares, don't think I would have the patience to attempt such a thing.

Heya Archangel. Youre building a 24th scale bird. Youve GOT to have some patience. lol

                   

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Posted by mustang1989 on Sunday, March 3, 2013 6:01 AM

Ok folks. Finished touching up some areas that got missed on the upper wings that I noticed. Progress this month is going to be at a crawl this month and I mean a CRAWL. Im going to Houston on Tuesday and Wedensday this week, and Dallas on Tuesdays and Wedensdays for the following two weeks after Houston and then again in Dallas on Tuesday the 26th for GM Training courses. This stuff sets me back on modelling because I spend the rest of the week catching up on rest and spending time with my family. So in case you guys don't see alot of pics or progress out of me this is why. I will still be commenting and running the build as I take my laptop with me on these trips. (I wished I had a portable makeshift workbench to take with me on these flights!!)

                   

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Posted by Rigidrider on Sunday, March 3, 2013 7:02 AM

Sounds like you need to find a less demanding job Joe...(lol) Just kidding, safe journey and see you when you return, Your "Royal Class" sounds like its been a "Royal Pain" but your whipping it and progress look great!

Doug

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Posted by JOE RIX on Sunday, March 3, 2013 9:19 AM

I know the feeling there Joe. I start back up at my part time job at the used bookstore this week. Starting a month early this year. This has the negative effect of cutting into my bench time drastically. It has the positive effect as this is the funding for my modeling addiction. The other nice thing is that I absolutely love the job.

Nathan - Thanks for the tip on the Alclad Aqua Gloss. I'm going to snag me some up toot sweet. I've used the lacquer based gloss and it is quite nice right up until you try to use Mig Productions wash on it. Not Good. I'll be to working on recovering the NMF finish on my P-47 later in the year.

As usual just some absolutely fantastic stuff going on here.

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Posted by Nathan T on Sunday, March 3, 2013 10:40 AM

Hey Rix no prob- definately keep oils and enamels away from Alcad's Klear Kote line!!, as they are oil based themselves. Hey Mustang, no sweat. Work happens. I'll be missing May through August with zero bench time as the Flying season startsCrying But the 190s will be done by then.

 

 

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Posted by Archangel Shooter on Monday, March 4, 2013 6:35 PM

Hmmmm maybe this is one of the reasons why I have such a hard time completing group builds on time or just finishing a kt.

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Posted by Nathan T on Monday, March 4, 2013 7:15 PM

Nice work on the crankcase!

 

 

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Posted by VanceCrozier on Monday, March 4, 2013 7:21 PM

lawdog114

Thanks for all of the compliments.  Nathan and Scott, very nice work so far.  Unfortunately I have been busy with other things lately but I did get some modeling time in on the A-6 over the past few days.  The airframe came together in no time flat.  All I can say is this Hasegawa 190 is great fit-wise.  The only issue I had was the gap on the lower rear wing/fuselage joint.  No biggie though.  It also took some time getting the wing root joint (line) off the wing root cannon cover(s), mostly because it was in a tough spot to effectively sand out.  This line should not be there and only Eduard has gotten this area right on 190's. 

I've heard cowl assembly on this kit can be tricky.  I had no trouble.  I first fused the lower piece to the two side pieces with Tenax 7R and let it dry overnight. I then added the upper piece.  No issues, it fit the front of the airframe like a glove.  On a sidenote, I did notice that most of the panel lines seemed unusually shallow on this kit, therefore, I decided to forgo primer and go straight to preshading with XF-1 Flat Black.   At this time I also painted the side fuselage (behind the exhaust) black and then taped off the triangles common on 190's.  The white stripe along the top was added with XF-2 and taped off as well.

As I said, I decided that I would paint in the cowl checkers in lieu of the decals for several reasons.  For off, Hasegawa decals are s#$t...not other way to say it.  Also I decided do this for simple aesthetic reasons and the ease of weathering the area later.  Paint just looks more convincing.   In case anyone is interested, this is how I did it:

1.  I preshaded XF-1 Flat Black on the cowl panel lines then sprayed it XF-2 Flat White.  I cut it with Tamiya Lacquer Thinner for extra bite into the plastic for the upcoming taping. 

2.  I then cut out a few checkers from the decal sheet to use as a size reference. 

3.  I then took out my trusty mirror glass piece and threw down a strip of Tamiya tape.  There is no substitute for this stuff, especially for this type of work.

4.  With a new #11 Exacto blade and the aformentioned cut out decal, I commenced to cut squares out of the tape.  I cut up numerous rows untilI felt I had enough. 

5.  Using the instruction sheet profile on the last page (for decal placement), I then started on the port side and worked my way around the cowl.  For the front row of checkers (nearest the cowl ring), I took the same squares and cut a slit in them so they could be manipulated on the curved edges. 

6.  Once I had all the squares added, after a few minor adjustments, I sprayed the cowl XF-1 Flat Black with a tad of XF-8 Flat Blue added.  I then taped off the cowl leaving the lower section exposed and it was sprayed XF-3 Flat Yellow with a touch of XF-7 Flat Red to simulate RLM 04 yellow.  

Now for some pics...

I then redirected my focus to the camolage which will be the standard day fighter scheme RLM 74/75 over 76.  I mixed up RLM 76 by Tamiya's recommendations of XF-2, XF23, XF-66 until it looked right to my eye. It eemed too blue so I added more XF-66 Grey.  I then added XF-2 Flat White to the paint, thinned it, then streaked it along the bottom.  A dilluted Red Brown mix was then added as a post shade to certain areas. 

I bought some Gunze Aqueous paints, specifically the RLM colors, through the blackmark......err I mean from overseas, primarily because I've read they are quite accurate.  That, and I'm tired of trying to get the upper surface RLM shades right with Tamiya mixes (See my D-9 elsewhere in the forum).  I started with the RLM 74 and cut it with Tamiya's X-20 Thinner.  This stuff seemed to behave just like Tamiya paint, but it wasn't as dense.  It seemed to initially go on a bit translucent so I had to keep adding more paint.  Once I got the ratio right, It did go down nice and smooth.  I then cut it with Tamiya XF-2 Flat White and streaked the upper wings.  I had no issues with mixibg the two brands.  I think I finally found a method for the upper RLM colors.  Once done, this received the sme red brown postshading.  Here's the results.

The RLM 75 will be next.  Stay tuned...

Joe 

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Posted by Bish on Tuesday, March 5, 2013 2:00 AM

lawdog, thats stunning work there. You have done a much better job with the checked nose than i did. I wish i had done it that way to start with rather than decals. Looks like we are doing the same aircraft as well.

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Posted by mustang1989 on Tuesday, March 5, 2013 9:25 PM

Ok you all. I've been known to be a resilient bas**** at times. So I'm now in Houston for more General Motors Training and have this so-so room with .........a small workbench. Well I brought my stuff with me. The compressor and two airbrushes plus a compliement of cleaners, paints, thinners and other stuff....and lets not forget the old guys stuff......glasses! Heres a shot! I get started bright and early tomorrow morning and then again in the afternoon(But not before I go to Randys Hobby Store here in town and get my D-9 I'm gonna build!!!). Gonna get a weeks worth in here in this room yet.

                   

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Posted by JOE RIX on Tuesday, March 5, 2013 10:18 PM

Now ain't you just a clever little Dickens. Awesome set up Joe.

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Posted by Nathan T on Tuesday, March 5, 2013 10:36 PM

Sweet! I'd do the same...It'll keep you from hittin up the strip clubs...haha!

 

 

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Posted by scootertrash on Tuesday, March 5, 2013 11:32 PM

Watch out for House Keeping!  "Would you like fresh towels"!   I am assuming you drove to Houston, TSA would have a hissy with all those "liquids"!

What a great way to spend your down time!

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Posted by Bish on Wednesday, March 6, 2013 3:25 AM

Nice little set up there.

Time for an update i think.

After finally get the nose to a point where i was happy, i finished the rest of the decals and then gave it a flat coat. It was the left side of the nose that i had a problem with.

 

So now to get this wrapped up. Ashide from the length issues, this is a nice little kit. 

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Posted by kielers on Wednesday, March 6, 2013 3:29 AM

A beautiful badge!!  I'd join the build just for the badge.

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Posted by Rigidrider on Wednesday, March 6, 2013 4:40 AM

Bish... Looking great !

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Posted by Rigidrider on Wednesday, March 6, 2013 4:43 AM

LOL!!! There ya go Joe! love the set up, even if its temporary...

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Posted by JOE RIX on Wednesday, March 6, 2013 6:09 AM

Bish, You've done a bang up job on the checkers. Looks excellent. Your work is progressing very nicely. It coming out tremendous.

I'm having to spend a little time doing some touch up on mine. The PE cockpit rear deck was a smidge wide so I am filing down the edge of the PE part and filling and sanding with some Mr. Surfacer. But, she's moving along.

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Posted by VanceCrozier on Wednesday, March 6, 2013 8:31 AM

Bish

Nice little set up there.

Time for an update i think.

After finally get the nose to a point where i was happy, i finished the rest of the decals and then gave it a flat coat. It was the left side of the nose that i had a problem with.

 

So now to get this wrapped up. Ashide from the length issues, this is a nice little kit. 

Looking good Bish - are those Luftwaffe ground crew I see in the plastic container?

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Posted by Nathan T on Wednesday, March 6, 2013 12:50 PM

Nice work Bish. The cowling came out great I think. No hint at all to your troubles. I see a few similar schemes here, and nice to see how different people approach the same thing.

Smallish...update for me. I did some touch-up to the A-4 and got a wash on the A-8:

The materials:

The madness:

the results:

Sprayed the white stripe and the black part of the fuselage cross on the A-4:

I also glued the wheels on:

Face off

 

 

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Posted by Bish on Wednesday, March 6, 2013 1:04 PM

Thanks Nathan, yours is looking sweet.

Is the underside of your as grey as it looks in the photo's. My RLM 76 is notacably blue, but i have noticed a lot of colour plates and many models where it looks more grey.

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Posted by Nathan T on Wednesday, March 6, 2013 2:35 PM

I use Gunze 76 and it has a slight blue tint to it, but I lightened it with some white so it probably washed out the blue.

 

 

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Posted by Archangel Shooter on Wednesday, March 6, 2013 4:34 PM

Nathan...Great looking finish and the landing gear is excellent Yes

I'm still slugging it out on the engine, might move onto the cockpit area just to take a break.

This has been making my eyes cross Confused

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Posted by mustang1989 on Wednesday, March 6, 2013 5:06 PM

Nathan: That is one sweet 190! Thats an awesome job on the cowling and again on the defense bands! Whats the benefit of the Flow Aid? Been meaning to look into that subject more on my own but saw it in your picture and figured I'd just ask you.

Archangel: That engine looks really good. Some really cool detail there. How long have you been working on the engine now?

                   

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