Fw 190 Butcher Bird 2013 (extended to June 2014) Group Build

Sweet news Jester. That spinner spiral looks perfect. Parallel lines and everything. Nice gloss work, is that MM acryl gloss? ...And yeah, I hate those empty crosses. I keep some spare Montex masks handy just to help me paint those buggers. Sometimes though, the inner color was either 74 or 75, or even 81 or 83 instead of straight black, so check your refs. Nice work Man!

Ok everybody. It's now official. This group build will be moved to the Group Build section (where it should have been in the first place) on Friday 29 March. Tim will be moving the whole build there so it will appear as it is here but in the correct section. It will still be accessible from "Your Discussions" so you will have no problem finding it. Just putting this out so that everyone is aware of the change. Thanks for everybodys participation, Joe

I will continue to post this once a day until Thursday. After that this build will be in the Group Build Section.

Hey Joe...

The 200 is a siphon fed gun I believe if memoyy serves, and a pretty good one,as you said, reliable. Easy to use and maintain. I have a 150 with all the needles and its the workhorse of the lot. The eclipse is a gravity feed isnt it?  If your having a trigger pull "catch" or something like that, check the stop at the rear of the trim tube and check the needle for true. just the slightest of bends will cause problems your describing. Also if you have a gravity feed brush, try unscrewing and removing the air cone on the needle guide (the very last tip) and you can almost get a line or pattern like a pencil line if paint and pressure are right. (This doesnt work well with siphon guns) , and practice , practice, practice.(ha) Takes alot of trial and error. I'm still learning after all these years and someone always comes up with new tricks!

Take care Joe,,,

Doug

Joe - Veerry Nice! See what a little bit of practice and testing will get ya. I knew you could pull it off and you did a magnificent job.

Eric - Outstanding work there. It is indeed shaping up very nicely.

 Made it over to the LHS yesterday and snagged the 1/48 Hasegawa FW 190 A-8 out of the clearance pile. I showed remarkable restraint in that that was the only kit I picked up. Also the owner informed me that due to a manpower shortage for the WestFest Model Contest in Grand Junction, Co. I was going to be "Shang-haied" to help out. SWEET!!!

Nice catch Rix. What boxing is that Hase kit?

Jester,

That is one sharp looking Dora!!  The finish is absolutely top shelf!  Keep up the sweet work and keep us posted.

FYI - I am tempted to drop an A8 on the bench here soon, but am currently finishing up a stalled F-16C and an early P-51D (as Passion Wagon), so it might be a few weeks before I can build another Wurger.

Matt

We'll be waiting Matt. Would that be an Eduard A-8?

You got it, unless I can find a decent priced Tamiya A8 (built one once, fell together like a dream).  I have the A8 profipack ($20.00 from squadron last week) and the Royal class boxing to choose from.

Isn't that crazy, you can get a decent priced Eduard kit Profipack with the goodies for usually much less than the old inaccurate Tamiya kit. But it does build nicer like you said.

Matt......I have a mix of feelings on this one. The Eduard is accurate and mine is turning out good for me but pay attention to the detail of putting it together. It's not a very forgiving kit for the unwary builder. I'll be going with a Tamiya D-9, even though it suffers from inaccuracies. This A-8R2 I'm building has definetely been a friggin workout!

Jester...

That Dora is coming out  beautifully!  Looking forward to seeing it complete...

mustang1989

Matt......I have a mix of feelings on this one. The Eduard is accurate and mine is turning out good for me but pay attention to the detail of putting it together. It's not a very forgiving kit for the unwary builder. I'll be going with a Tamiya D-9, even though it suffers from inaccuracies. This A-8R2 I'm building has definetely been a friggin workout!

Thanks for the heads up!  Another option that I am considering is the Hobby Boss Ta-152C1 (although I have looked at the torpedo that came with it and I will not be using that)  with EagleCals decals, perhaps in fictional markings fo JG 301 or some other JG.  Or another Eduard Fw-190 (not big tail), because the yellow tails and panels are really growing on me.

Nathan, and everyone else, Here is the kit I picked up out of the clearance pile yesterday. Giving it a quick glance it does indeed appear to be a very nice kit.

I have been waiting for my 1/32 Hasa A-5 to arrive, The Hasa A-4 arrived from same orderarrived  so it looks like A-5 has gone astray in the mail, hopefully only temporarily?

I've made a decision and will make a start this weekend now that I am finshing off some other builds

Hasa and Tamiya seem to be the favoured kits in this GB so who am I to challenge this?

I decided i will build two simultaneously , the Hasa A-4 and the Arii A-8. Please put me down for these

Was tempted to do the torpedo A-5 but thought the White Russian scheme for the A-4 appealed to me

The Arii is an old kit, very simple with less than 30 parts, but has a good feel, the detail and quality is more than acceptable. The decals look dodgey, and I am expecting a challenge with this one but theres not a lot to lose here, it cost me less than $10

Can't wait!

Thanks everyone for the kind comments!!!

Looking forward to seeing your dual build Need!!

Matt- I keep hearing the HB 152 is cherry, haven't seen one myself so I don't know. The yellow tails/nose do have a way of pulling me in. This Eduard D-9, although finally seems to be coming together and definitely makes a good looking Dora, requires lots of attention and work. Closing up everything that is engineered to be open is a task, not so much on the cowl but for sure on the wings. If I'm not mistaken, the whole line of Eduard 190's is designed this way aren't they?

Hey guys, I thought I would pop in.  Nathan those are absolutely beautiful.  The striped cowl turned out fantastic. I think I have the same A-4 in the stash and its on my short "to do" list.   Jester, looking great.  You nailed that spiral from what I can see in the pic...no worries.  Looks like your in the home stretch there.  Joe #1 (figured you could be #1 since it is your group build...lol), your mottling skills are most impressive.  I can't wait to see it finished.  The Fritos look good too.  After I finish my P-38 for the twin boom GB, I may have to toss my hat in this ring again as I do love the 190.   I have to agree with what Joe #1 implied...and I would much rather build the Tamiya D-9, inaccuracies and all, than suffer another moment with the Eduard version.  I meant it when I said I would rather have a root canal.  Beautiful kit but geez.  I have an Eduard A-5 and A-6 in the stash and that radial looks like a nightmare, especially if you factor in the reported fit issues.  They might be there for a long time.  

Joe

Nice kit Joe Rix- I built that boxing and it was a dream. Almost did Schroeder's plane on the box art but went with some aftermarket instead.

Needbeer- Are you doing the Russian captured A-4? If so, check out the video on youtube of the russian evaluation of that plane. Its a great reference vid.

OK my friends... Butcher Bird Part II,  This will be a 1/32 Hasagawa Fw190A6, The kit comes with parts to do one of about 4 different variations. Other then a (Tru-Detail) resin pit, and decals from Strike Eagle it will be an OOB build. I will try to do honor to Obfw. Josef "Pepi" Jennewein. He flew 271 missions almost all with II/gp Jg51 on the Eastern Front. In his 271 missions he claimed 86 kills many of which were multiple victories on a single mission sometimes as many as 5 at one engagement. On July 27 after aerial combat Oberfeldwebel Jennewein force landed his Fw190 A 6 "Black 7" wnr 550181, behind Russian lines and neither he nor his plane were ever seen again.

Thanks

Doug

Sorry.... 27 July 1943 at the Battle of Kursk...

Doug

Nathan T - no research done yet, just going off the box, any advise and direction welcome. I did try YouTube without much luck  - can you send me the link?

Guys, anyone still looking to get into this build and looking for a kit, Squadron is having a sale on Hobbyboss and you can get the Ta-152 C1/R14(?) for 18 bucks. Not a bad deal and what I understand to be a good kit.

Sweet profile Doug. That'll be a nice different scheme for a change. Good history behind it too. Needbeer- Try this: www.youtube.com/watch

Doug: Cool on the Part II!!! I will get you entered in on the opening post pal. Nice looking plane by the way. Cant wait to see the build.

Jester : Thanks for the heads up on the Ta-152. That'll be stretching my limitations for the build I'm afraid. I'm already planning a D-9 build after this A8/R2.

Ok everybody here's the update. I did the other side.....and then went and re did the side I did first so everything could match up.

Mustang, that mottle looks really good!!

Thanks Eric. Gotta paint the 76 on the bottom side, the black behind the exhaust pipe area and then the Defense of the Riech bands. Still alot of work to do.

Nicely Done Joe!

Jester, Funny, as I was just looking at those very kits in the LHS last Monday. Heavily considered getting one when I realized that they are the short wing version. If I was to do a Ta 152 it would be a long wing as they are just cooler.

Yeah, I've been looking for an H version too as seeing Matts really opened my eyes to them. Found one of the Dragon Expo H's on eBay but not sure I am going to spring for it.

Jester75

Guys, anyone still looking to get into this build and looking for a kit, Squadron is having a sale on Hobbyboss and you can get the Ta-152 C1/R14(?) for 18 bucks. Not a bad deal and what I understand to be a good kit.

Guys,

I have this HobbyBoss kit in my stash, it is a decent kit.  looks to be straight forward construction, the control surfaces are molded seperately,the panel lines are sublte and recessed (close to eudard's level) and has one painting/marking option  but other than that there are vey few options.  It does come with a one page color 4 view drawing of the only scheme for painting and decal reference and some very basic PE.  about the only thing that I didnt care for right out of the box was the torpedo and the rack for the torpedo, just looks too thick and not to scale to my eyes.

EagleCals does have AM decals that would work for this kit if you were looking for other options (and the decals include wooden flap decals [for the H as well as the C wings I think, since there are two sets and sizes])

Matt

OK boys and girls, absolute last photo update before I call this one done. This has to be one of my favorite parts of the build.....The Wash!!! Just seems like it comes alive at this point. I use a homebrew mix of Non-waterproof India ink, water, and a drop of dish soap. This costs about 2 bucks and will literally last a lifetime!!! So easy to apply and even easier to remove!

Here is the ink I use, picked up at the local Hobby Lobby

and the bottle I use to mix it in. If I had to guess this was mixed at 1/3 ink and 2/3 water with a drop of Dawn dish soap added to break the surface tension and allow it to flow.

Then just slather it on. No need to be particulary OCD about it

And removal after about 5-10 minutes of drying. It consists of mostly a folded paper towel and q-tips. Slightly dampened with most of the water squeezed out and just start lightly rubbing. I usually try to move perpendicular to the panel lines and not parallel.  And voila!!

One quick question though as my refs are limited and what I have contradicts the Eduard drawings. On the lower cowling where its painted yellow, was there a panel line that ran from front to back down the middle? Did this split open there like Matts 152 and swing upwards?? 

Thanks for the info and taking a look! If you see something I have missed by all means let me know!!

Hey, sweet wash mix Eric. Nice looking build. Real great job with the camo and decals. I Love doing washes, especially on these Eduard kits there's sooo much detail there to pop out. And yes, the cowling halves latch together in the middle, just like the Ta 152. Hope the pic helps: