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  • Member since
    October 2009
  • From: Oil City, PA
Posted by greentracker98 on Tuesday, June 10, 2014 12:23 PM

Gamera

Ken: Very nice work on the NM and the invasion stripes!

CMK02: Good looking work there too! I don't remember having many issues with my Liberator, but then again it was sorta a rush build.

Gamera: Thank you.

I'm planing a diorama for the Jug and the P 38. I plan on taking it to display at a few shows and things.

Here is a pic of the installed guns

A.K.A. Ken                Making Modeling Great Again

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  • From: SW Virginia
Posted by Gamera on Tuesday, June 10, 2014 7:27 AM

Ken: Very nice work on the NM and the invasion stripes!

CMK02: Good looking work there too! I don't remember having many issues with my Liberator, but then again it was sorta a rush build.

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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  • From: Sonora Desert
Posted by stikpusher on Tuesday, June 10, 2014 1:06 AM

Ken, if it can be seen, or possibly be seen, I paint it. But if you have no plans for your build aside from your own viewing pleasure, why not leave them bare? It's your choice! I like leaving the little raised Revell/Monogram logos on the lower wing or tail surfaces of my kits... Gasp!!! And some of them place and or win at IPMS!!!! :-0 The horror!!!

 

F is for FIRE, That burns down the whole town!

U is for URANIUM... BOMBS!

N is for NO SURVIVORS...

       - Plankton

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Posted by Bish on Tuesday, June 10, 2014 12:46 AM

Nice work CMK. In regards to the ball turret, I have not seen images of the real thing, but on the Hase kit they are holes rather than just troughs, so the turret can retract right in.

I am a Norfolk man and i glory in being so

 

On the bench: Airfix 1/72nd Harrier GR.3/Fujimi 1/72nd Ju 87D-3

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Posted by greentracker98 on Tuesday, June 10, 2014 12:16 AM

Thanks Everyone

I did some touch ups, painted inside the carriage covers, attached them to the landing gear, and installed the guns in the wings tonight. Sooo, It's getting there. I took a picture, but all you can see is the guns, barely that is.

Does everyone paint their guns? I painted them on the razorback jug, but I didn't on the P-38. I've been getting the brass guns from a company in Poland. and I like seeing the shiny brass.

 

A.K.A. Ken                Making Modeling Great Again

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  • From: Sonora Desert
Posted by stikpusher on Monday, June 9, 2014 10:32 PM

Well, at least my Marauder has some good company here!

Ken, your Jug is so close to the finish line!

CMK, I know exactly what you mean about the lack of serendipity on your Liberator. Not so much on my B-26, but on other projects. For every two steps forward, there is one step back on some builds.

 

F is for FIRE, That burns down the whole town!

U is for URANIUM... BOMBS!

N is for NO SURVIVORS...

       - Plankton

LSM

 

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  • From: AandF in the Badger State
Posted by checkmateking02 on Monday, June 9, 2014 10:24 PM

Painted up the four engines.  I dry-brushed them with some Model Master steel, some kind of brown, and a little silver.  Dry-brushed the center with some lighter gray, then gave them a wash of acrylic black.

Also painted the undersides of the horizontal stabilizer and one wing with WEM's Neutral Gray last light.  I only painted one wing, because I noticed that the NMF de-icer boot on the other wing got scuffed since I painted it.  Sooo--nothing to do but repaint that and wait for it to cure. 

Again, no serendipity there. 

 

 

 

 

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  • From: AandF in the Badger State
Posted by checkmateking02 on Monday, June 9, 2014 10:15 PM

Installed the cockpit seats

Tried to get a shot of the instrument panel, but it's too far back there to see very well:

and the (Norden?) bombsight

I thought it ought to be installed at right angles to the centerline of the fuselage, but the instructions show it parallel--so I followed the instructions.  Not sure if it's correct though.

 

 

 

 

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  • From: AandF in the Badger State
Posted by checkmateking02 on Monday, June 9, 2014 10:07 PM

While I was preparing to close up the fuselage, I noticed that the troughs for the gun barrels were set too close together to accommodate said gun barrels.  So here's the result of a lot of filing and sanding.  By the placement of the little nubs where the barrels go, I think they should fit now.

After test-fitting, I'm not sure that the turret will even retract as far as it should into the fuselage.

Might be irrelevant anyway.  The bar inside the fuselage that is supposed to hold the stem on the suspension mechanism fell off a couple of days ago (and I thought I'd used more than enough superglue!!).  Of course the fuselage sides are glued together.  I tried to re-install it last night--to no avail.  So I'm going to have to just glue the ball turret to the bottom fuselage piece and let it be.

This was not serendipity.   Ick!

 

 

 

 

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  • From: AandF in the Badger State
Posted by checkmateking02 on Monday, June 9, 2014 1:48 PM

Good progress, Ken.

 

 

 

 

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Posted by Bish on Monday, June 9, 2014 1:24 PM

Coming on nicely Ken.

I am a Norfolk man and i glory in being so

 

On the bench: Airfix 1/72nd Harrier GR.3/Fujimi 1/72nd Ju 87D-3

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  • From: Oil City, PA
Posted by greentracker98 on Monday, June 9, 2014 12:48 PM

Hey everyone, I finally have the landing gear and undercarriage covers for my Jug Bubble top. So It should be finished soon.

 

A.K.A. Ken                Making Modeling Great Again

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  • From: Sonora Desert
Posted by stikpusher on Saturday, June 7, 2014 11:21 PM

It's getting there...

 

F is for FIRE, That burns down the whole town!

U is for URANIUM... BOMBS!

N is for NO SURVIVORS...

       - Plankton

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  • From: Denver, Colorado
Posted by waynec on Saturday, June 7, 2014 9:07 PM

they are laying much better but it looks like the side edge of the tape didn't get painted. could be the light. sounds picky but sometimes little things stand out. on the bottom one it looks like the rear part is not flush on the fender. if it is snug against the side it could be strapped there. if there is a gap it looks like the strap isn't attached to the fender.

something i did not do with mine is simulate a buckle. i'm thinking a fine square drawin where the buckle should be would suffice.

i don't know if ww2 german camo nets had strips of canvas like american ones did. if so that would be where the fried green and brown herbs could be sprinkled on. not a lot just enough for some texture. i'm going to go back to my BEDFORD and do that in preparation for regionals.

just wait until i do an airplane. this whole conversion will be reversed. can't wait to see your next armor build.

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Ничто не Забыто  (Nothing is Forgotten)

 

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  • From: Florida-West Central
Posted by Eagle90 on Saturday, June 7, 2014 8:24 PM

Stik...wow!  Great job on the office!  Awesome detail!

Thanks!  It does look more natural with them laying down more.  Diluted white glue....who'd a thunk that?  Embarrassed

Eagle90

 

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  • From: Sonora Desert
Posted by stikpusher on Saturday, June 7, 2014 8:21 PM

Eagle, those tie down straps are a big improvement!

Here is todays progress- detail painting
cockpit

radio compartment

top turret

tail gunner floorboard and armor plate/controls

forward fuselage sidewalls

 

F is for FIRE, That burns down the whole town!

U is for URANIUM... BOMBS!

N is for NO SURVIVORS...

       - Plankton

LSM

 

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  • From: Florida-West Central
Posted by Eagle90 on Saturday, June 7, 2014 7:40 PM

So I had some time to try out the diluted glue trick.  And I used some tape to simulate leather straps holding it down.  What do you think?  Close?

Eagle90

 

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Posted by Eagle90 on Saturday, June 7, 2014 10:51 AM

checkmateking02

Very nice results on the AFV's, Eagle!

Thank you sir!  It has been a blast and I'm hooked on armor now! 

Eagle90

 

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  • From: AandF in the Badger State
Posted by checkmateking02 on Saturday, June 7, 2014 10:15 AM

Good looking results, stik and Eric.  Well done.

 

 

 

 

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  • From: ON, Canada
Posted by jgeratic on Saturday, June 7, 2014 9:58 AM

Eric - the L4 looks right on, and thanks for that interesting read.Yes

regards,

Jack

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  • From: Bury St Edmunds, Suffolk, England
Posted by Bish on Saturday, June 7, 2014 2:33 AM

Thanks guys, glad you all enjoyed the GB.

Nice one Eric, like the look of that. I think the stripe stripes spot on and nice job on the textured surface. Have you added to the front page.

Looking really good there SP. coming on very nicely.

GAF, glad you here you have decided to try and get yours done, I will be waiting for the final pics.

I am a Norfolk man and i glory in being so

 

On the bench: Airfix 1/72nd Harrier GR.3/Fujimi 1/72nd Ju 87D-3

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  • From: Berkeley CA/St. Paul MN
Posted by EBergerud on Saturday, June 7, 2014 1:24 AM

Heller 1/50 Piper L-4

Paints: Tamiya, Vallejo and Golden Acrylics

Weathering: Iwata Com.Art acrylics

This is really under the wire but in St. Paul it's still June 6, so we'll declare the Piper L-4 done.

This is a pretty meager effort compared to other work on this GB, but the real world was unforgiving and I really wanted to get an American kit in to go with my Polish P-51 and Brit Cromwell. We did, after all, have something to do with the outcome of one of history's most important militrary campaigns.

If you can find a Heller L-4 I wouldn't buy it - I didn't know that at a swap meet a couple of years back when I saw the $5 price tag. So it's sole advantage for me was that it was there. I'm not sure how old the thing is but I"d guess it dates from the 60's before the standarization of sizes was complete. The kit was original and the instructions and decals were seriously yellowed. Indeed, the decals are a collection of this and that from other kits with only two national insinias on the side original. Maybe not accurate, but it looks American. The kit was not warped, but nothing really fit well either. I've built old kits before and wasn't amazed. What I hadn't anticipated was that this kit has a whole lot of glass (that was the point of the L-4 Cub: it was given a much larger greenhouse to assist the observer to find targets). The clear parts (there are only three) were cloudy and one had several hairline cracks. To make matters worse I decided to mask the thing myself. It took a long time but I did a fair job of it. The problem was that masking usually leaves some kind of residue from the tape (especially here because the mask had to stay on throughout painting). That's a small problem if you have good access to the clear parts, but here the wing attached to the fuselage through the clear parts and the struts were needed for genuine support. That meant that fine sanding with multiple grits was extremely clumsy. There was some comfort knowing that the canopy wasn't going to make the hall of fame regardless, but I should have hand painting the frame and covered the clear with artist low-tack tape. Live and learn. The plane did have an engine and considering the lack of visual interest I'll leave the cowl off even though it fits pretty well.

I should have taken more build shots I suppose. There are three coats of olive drab. (Tamiya a base and two shades of Vallejo). The one complement I could pay Heller is that the fabric texture is out of scale but really not bad. This made it a good candidate for a technique pioneered by armor guru Mike Rinaldi (his Tank Art books are very good). Rinaldi calls it reverse dry brushing. I was very pleased with its effect on the Cromnwell. Here it worked nicely on a fabric wing. How does one shadow the spar? Should it be lighter or darker? (World War I biplane uber-guru Des Delatorre has a splendid website http://www.ww1aircraftmodels.com and he gives his view of the matter at length.) I used Rinaldi's technique and thought it worked very well. After a Vallejo primer, the plane was given a base coat of Tamiya Olive Drab. It was then covered by two lighter shades of Model Air. When dry, I wet a paint brush (barely damp) with Tamiya lacquer thinner (I wouldn't consider this with hardware store products) and rub the lighter shades slowly off. You end up with something that's darker but also indistinct in line - like a shadow. Below is a detail of the wing and you can see the effect and also the result of three filters done with Iawa Com.Art acrylics. The stripes were hand painted after masking with Vallejo Model Air and Golden Fluids.

That's it about the kit. It showed its considerable age and It wasn't my finest hour.

But it is an interesting subject. (Those interested in any of the following should refer to Michael Doubler's splendid "Closing with the Enemy" which explains the development of tactics via theory and practice in one of history's most demanding courses at the University of Mars - Western Europe in 1944-45.) I guess it makes sense that a humble weapon like the L-4 (ironically most famous for knocking out a couple of AFVs with wing-mounted bazookas in the Ardennes) would be forgotten. Soldiers on both sides would not have. The L-4 actually played a very important role in the arcane crafts of reconnaissance and target acquisition. 

 As Double points out the US Army learned a lot from Rommel and Kesselring in 1942-43, but still had some serious lose ends that needed to be met for Normandy. Nobody had to tell Ike that allied armies needed air recon, close air support and a heavy dose of artillery to grease the wheels. What wasn't clear was chemistry or balance between them particularly in the (surprisingly) unexpected terrain found in the bocage. (Allied forces were learning more in Italy by mid-44 but that theater had become something the Americans wanted to forget.)

Here was the problem. American doctrine had originally expected too much from direct artillery support when on the attack. They found (like WWI generals had) that displacing a well defended area unless you knew exactly where to put your shells was very hard. You could solve the problem briefly by throwing a few zillion rounds at a given zone, but despite some accounts US forces had limited resources in 1944 so “blowing a hole” was a rare delicacy and didn't reliably work then. (Defensive artillery was entirely different and the US mastery of “registered” indirect fire when under one of the many Germany counter attacks made attacking US forces a very dangerous proposition. The Ardennes illustrated this perfectly.) Therefore, US gunners when supporting an attack would try to isolate the immediate battlefield and try to prevent enemy reinforcement and resupply – any targets hit were a welcome plus. The converse meant that ground attacks were needed to find the bad guys – a process that required taking the first blow. (By the end of the bocage US infantry was beginning to see the huge advantage of using tanks for direct fire support – almost exactly the opposite of what the Army had originally believed armor should serve considering the “lessons” of May 1940.) So even though the US had excellent communications, line officers quickly learned (and the Germans never lost a chance to make he point) that mortars were invaluable because they could be used on a discovered target faster than anything other than direct fire. Aircraft were brutally efficient at some levels but were not considered weapons for close air support the way they became. They were supposed to sweep the LOCs and attack anything that could move. The Germans hated US “jabos” but it was not often hat a GI actually saw their impact. There was also highly justified fear of friendly fire from aircraft. So a great weapon, no doubt, but not the ideal thing to use on a machine gun nest discovered thirty seconds ago.

Hence the importance of the “grasshoppers” the generic name given to several civilian light planes used by ground forces. We had already learned in Italy that going “low and slow” could reveal targets for deadly naval artillery. (L-4s were used in this role at Normandy also, and there was no way to have a day ruined more quickly than a well aimed barrage of naval caliber artillery if you were in a German tank or foxhole.) They widened their value greatly in the bocage although it took a few weeks to figure things out. Grasshoppers were controlled by division HQ and could be delegated to regiment or even battalion commanders if an attack was important – perhaps not as important as P-38 or Spitfire recon bird in the grand scheme, but they were available within minutes. Soon artillery officers were flying as observers and, if lucky, would acquire a visual target and bring in howitzer fire. (It didn't take the Germans long to learn not to fire at L-4s even though they must have made tempting targets.) Soon enough USAAF officers were flying in the back seat, often in direct communication with a pair or flight of P-47s fully dressed for the dance. In either case this meant that artillery or air support could be brought into much closer contact with the vicious fire fights that characterized the last year of war in the ETO. And naturally this was very bad news for the Germans, particularly when allied armies were on the lose grinding up 30 miles a day.

The L-4 story hardly ended at V-E day. Grasshoppers stayed in service for several years. More to the point, billions of dollars have been spent to create “smart” L-4s. We know live in a world (I see problems frankly) where drone aircraft can kill instantly at long distance with no risk to life. I'm sure Patton would have wanted a Predator, but the L-4 played some of the role.

Pics below

Eric

 

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  • From: Sonora Desert
Posted by stikpusher on Saturday, June 7, 2014 1:01 AM

Hackensack was one of the Neptune airlifts IIRC. Each airlift had a different name the initial drops were Albany & Boston, the first glider train Cicago & Detroit, the evening glider train Elmira & Keokuk, etc. More than likely, your subject choice participated in several of the airlifts, due to an overall shortage on transports.

Thanks for the kind words on my Marauder. I think that it will look pretty sharp when finished. Tonite I dipped teh clear parts in Future and they are drying in a nice protected spot right now. I am looking forward to your C-47.

 

F is for FIRE, That burns down the whole town!

U is for URANIUM... BOMBS!

N is for NO SURVIVORS...

       - Plankton

LSM

 

GAF
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  • From: Anniston, AL
Posted by GAF on Friday, June 6, 2014 11:23 PM

Stik,

Nice work on the B-26.  She'll be a beauty once finished.

On my end, my break from modelling seems to have been very short.  After sleeping on it, I realized that the best way to do the decals I need was to print them out on "white" decal paper and then trim them very closely.  This only works for the larger letters, but that's all I need.  I think I've scrounged up some yellow tail codes I can make work.  Maybe tomorrow (June 7th) will see this C-47 finished after all, which is by coincidence the anniversary of Operation Hackensack in which this particular C-47 participated.  That is if the decals work out...

Wish me luck!

Gary

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  • From: Sonora Desert
Posted by stikpusher on Friday, June 6, 2014 10:58 PM

Yes Bish, thank you for hosting this GB. At least I got the S-Boot done on time. The Marauder will take a little longer than today at midnite.

BB & Gamera, I'm glad that you're liking this build.

 

F is for FIRE, That burns down the whole town!

U is for URANIUM... BOMBS!

N is for NO SURVIVORS...

       - Plankton

LSM

 

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  • From: SW Virginia
Posted by Gamera on Friday, June 6, 2014 10:04 PM

Hey Bish, thanks again for a great GB!!!

SP: Very nice work there on the interior. Gee, I was going to just paint the inside of mine interior green, glad I didn't start on her yet!

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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  • From: Talent, OR
Posted by bitbite on Friday, June 6, 2014 8:42 PM

Sweeeeeeeet.  

"Resist the urge to greedily fondle the parts . . ." - Sheperd Paine "Modeling Tanks and Military Vehicles" Page 5

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  • From: Sonora Desert
Posted by stikpusher on Friday, June 6, 2014 8:16 PM

BTW, it's still June 6 here in California for another 5 hours or so...

Today I spent several hours doing airbrushing of the interior and some exterior colors (since some overlapped) Plus that is an easy way to get around the window areas and makes masking the little ones a bit easier.
Last night after I got the photos posted on here, I went back and did one final bit of work. I added the insulation padding to fuselage sidewalls in the radio compartment using tissue cut to size, folded, and soaked in white glue. This is how it looked this morning once dry

Then I had to repait the tail fun ammo chute that had broken teh other day. I put a thin stip of bras in the center and then super glued it in place
Now you see it

Now you dont (not really anyways)

Then it was time for interior painting. I used Tamiya colors. All colors used are based off of research of photos of Flak Bait as she is preserved at Smithsonian. Aluminum for the basic interior color. Black for floorboards and cockpit sidewalls above the base of the canopy level. Olive Drab for the top turret and tail gunners armor plate, and Neutral Gray in the bomb bay. For the radio compartment insulation padding I used Khaki and Khaki Drab.
fuselage side exteriors

interiors

top turret

tail gun area parts

radio compartment

cockpit parts

all the fuselage parts

engine cowlings and scoops

engine nacelle wheel wells

engines

horizontal stabilizers

wings & horizontal stabilizers

if I do anything else tonite, it will be to give the clear parts their Future dip...

 

F is for FIRE, That burns down the whole town!

U is for URANIUM... BOMBS!

N is for NO SURVIVORS...

       - Plankton

LSM

 

  • Member since
    July 2004
  • From: Sonora Desert
Posted by stikpusher on Friday, June 6, 2014 6:12 PM

bitbite

It's sad that "cold beer and hot women" doesn't work the other way around.  It would save us a lot of money on electricity for refrigeration of the beer and cash for "heating costs" for the women . . .  dinner, movies, etc.  Wink

Anyway, thanks all.  Keep up the outstanding building.  Hope to be up and building with you again soon! Toast

Cold women and hot beer is not very much fun... Angry

I'll get some progress photos up in a bit... been doing a lot of airbrushing in the past few hours. One  more color to do and then I am calling it done for today at the work bench... gotta watch my D-Day movies on DVD...

Happy Birthday to your Frau Bitbite WinkWhistling

 

F is for FIRE, That burns down the whole town!

U is for URANIUM... BOMBS!

N is for NO SURVIVORS...

       - Plankton

LSM

 

  • Member since
    December 2002
  • From: Bury St Edmunds, Suffolk, England
Posted by Bish on Friday, June 6, 2014 6:02 PM

Ok guys, I am officially calling this GB closed. Thank you all for taking part and making this such fun GB and for all the builds. And as always, there's been tons of info shared and passed around to help each other. Its a shame HvH has not yet returned to duty, but hopefully he will be back soon.

I look forward to seeing the final builds come together in the next few days and weeks, and of course seeing more of you bunch around the forums.

Thank you all.

I am a Norfolk man and i glory in being so

 

On the bench: Airfix 1/72nd Harrier GR.3/Fujimi 1/72nd Ju 87D-3

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