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Posted by Gamera on Saturday, January 25, 2014 5:04 PM

GM: The Neptune is shaping up nicely. So is Captain Nemo there- nice nautical theme going on!

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Posted by VanceCrozier on Saturday, January 25, 2014 3:51 PM

That Neptune is shaping up nicely G!!

On the bench: Airfix 1/72 Wildcat; Airfix 1/72 Vampire T11; Airfix 1/72 Fouga Magister

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Posted by GMorrison on Saturday, January 25, 2014 1:14 AM

The Neptune is coming along finally. The major airframe components are assembled and shes ready for the Dark Ghost Gray bottom/ Intermediate Blue topside, to be followed by Medium Green camouflage.

Meanwhile I have the Air force A-4P in hand, the Navy A-4Q in hand and the Air force Mirage IIIEA under construction.

The P is a straightforward repaint of the Airfix B. Nice little model.

The Q requires the Freightdog conversion kit nose and spine avionics hump.

That set also gives me the 1000 lb bomb, long range tanks and 350 lb tri-mount bombs I need.

The Matra 530 missiles are on the way for the Mirage from Hi Planes.

I'm looking into a C-130H refueler. Jeaton gave me an Airfix Herc last time we met for lunch.

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Posted by stikpusher on Wednesday, January 22, 2014 1:11 PM

Ok, the Mirages carried 375 gallon/1700 litre drop tanks for offensive/escort missions and the slim "supersonic" tanks for mainland defense missions. They carried the R.530E on the centerline pylon, and Mirages from the second batch (I-013 thru I-019) were wired to carry the R.550 Magic. Mirage III EAs from the first batch (I-002 thru I-012) did not have Magic capability initially but some were worked on during the war to provide this capability. I-009 was lost pre war and as such did not fly in combat there. I-015 and I-019 were lost in combat and "friendly fire" on May 1st.

Sorry to hear about the lost detail on the Neptune. It's funny how time make those old builds seem better than they were.

 

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Posted by Gamera on Wednesday, January 22, 2014 7:54 AM

Ohhhhhhhh, looking good there GM!

Well, I did the canopy last night- haven't peeling the masking off- hope they look okay.

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Posted by GMorrison on Wednesday, January 22, 2014 2:50 AM

Thank you very much. The Revell kit has Sidewinders as it represents , well, French birds that flew with them.

I well remember your 1/48 bird it is a well done model and reminded me of what mine should look like when I dug the kit out.

I started it this evening. It's a flash monster for sure.

Drat the canopy is huge so there'll be a bunch of work in the office.

Thanks for the props on the Neptune. Next stage is the wings, then a lot more filling and sanding.

It's curious. I have always had a high regard for the Hasegawa kits from the 1970's, but building one now is a real chore. The detail is wonderful, but the fit is pretty poor and I have had to fill and sand a lot of detail away that cannot be replaced.

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Posted by stikpusher on Wednesday, January 22, 2014 2:06 AM

Only a few of the Mirage III EAs were wired to carry the Magic. Those that were carried them on the outboard pylons. They also carried the R530 ( radar guided) on the centerline pylon. They carried the largest drop tanks (I will have to look up volume) for escort/offensive sorties. For defensive mainland alert, the had the slimmer supersonic tanks fitted. I can check my reference tomorrow and get you the serial numbers of which ones were wired for the Magic IR AAM.

 

F is for FIRE, That burns down the whole town!

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Posted by GMorrison on Wednesday, January 22, 2014 1:54 AM

OK so as the expert, what was the load on the Mirage at the beginning of the war?

Matra Magic R530. And if so how many and where?

Centerline pylon had what?

What sized tanks?

Your help could be truly appreciated as I don't have those books and really don't focus much on Mirage jets.

 Modeling is an excuse to buy books.

 

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Posted by stikpusher on Wednesday, January 22, 2014 1:29 AM

Oh yes, the P2V is coming along nicely there. I would love to see it done by Revell in 1:48... Why Revell? Because then I could afford it.

 

F is for FIRE, That burns down the whole town!

U is for URANIUM... BOMBS!

N is for NO SURVIVORS...

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Posted by stikpusher on Wednesday, January 22, 2014 1:26 AM

I have that book. And an issue of "Wings of Fame" (or one of those gorgeous periodicals by the same publisher) that has a full debrief on Argentine Mirage operations during the war. Good stuff.

 

F is for FIRE, That burns down the whole town!

U is for URANIUM... BOMBS!

N is for NO SURVIVORS...

       - Plankton

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Posted by GMorrison on Wednesday, January 22, 2014 12:27 AM

Thanks for the info. That makes good sense.

I had a friend who's father was a big chief at DARPA at the time. He basically focused grouped a couple of us: the scenario was that (I will PM you).

CanberraB-108 was the last aircraft lost in the war.

Osprey No. 28 Combat Aircraft in the Falklands War

Interesting info:

http://www.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a202551.pdf

Here's the latest on the 'Tune:

"And the Beat Goes On".

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Posted by stikpusher on Tuesday, January 21, 2014 11:45 PM

Sounds great my friend. I used Aztec's 1/48 set of those decals on my Mirage III EA build in 2012. I still have plenty of that sheet left (is that a double entendre?) Too bad the 1/48 Airfix Canberra in my stash is the wrong mark... And actually the Mirages did fly a few combat sorties at the end of the war, escorting Canberras, but they made no aerial contact. For most of the war the stayed on defensive alert in case the Brits had decided to have a go at any of the Argentine mainland airfields.

 

F is for FIRE, That burns down the whole town!

U is for URANIUM... BOMBS!

N is for NO SURVIVORS...

       - Plankton

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Posted by GMorrison on Tuesday, January 21, 2014 11:07 PM

I hit that point with the 'Tune on an airframe about the size of a B-17 where you just get so tired of filling, sanding and filling nacelles, 4" long wing joints, etc. that I needed a diversion.

OK so I opened a bottle of whine.

I had lost the little piece of decals for P-112 that El Jere gave me, and I apologize for that amigo, but I do have the instructions that came with them. So I ordered up the excellent (did everyone copy: excellent) set of decals from Aztek- Malvinas/ Falklands Part 1. Part 2 of course will be the one when it comes out that has Neptune P-112, but it's in the future.

Part 1 has the Canberra, which is a similar patrol craft and had the basics I needed, plus as it turns out a full numeral/ alphabet of all of the buzz numbers and letters ever needed for the big multi-engined aircraft in the Armada. As I'm sure I will never build an Argentine Canberra, and you can't find a B.2 in 1/72 scale anyhow, that seemed to satisfy the need for this GB.

Caramba, there's Daggers, there's Skyhawks, Mirages, Aeromacchis, and so much other stuff for $ 15.00 that I can't stop my mind from racing.

To jump to the conclusion, I picked up two of the new Airfix A-4B kits. One I'll build as an A-4P Fuerza Aero, in Dark Earth and Green, and the other as an Armada A-4Q in that attractive light gray overall with blue tail fin.

But wait, my friends and let me save the best for last like a fine Pisco or Tequila:

In the stash, which at my age resembles a wine cave; there was a Revell Mirage 3EA. $ 29.00 on eBay you say, I say yes but mine is original.

At the planning stages of the war, the British Admiralty feared, lo knew, that the Mirage would win in aerial combat against the Harrier. But, at 400 miles from Rio Gallegos, the Mirages had maybe two minutes in theater and could not be refueled by air.

After the first three days of the war they were not deployed again.

So, a Mirage and two Skyhawks added to my build list.

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Posted by VanceCrozier on Tuesday, January 21, 2014 9:55 AM

roger_wilco

VanceCrozier

1,300 miles between the air compressor and airbrush? You'll need a long hose & several moisture traps to make that work...

Ha! I checked my local hobby shop and they only have hose in the 1,000 mile length,so I'm out of luck!

Stick out tongue

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Posted by roger_wilco on Tuesday, January 21, 2014 9:52 AM

VanceCrozier

1,300 miles between the air compressor and airbrush? You'll need a long hose & several moisture traps to make that work...

Ha! I checked my local hobby shop and they only have hose in the 1,000 mile length,so I'm out of luck!

"Build what YOU want, the way YOU want, and above all have fun!" - RIP Modeler Al. 

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Posted by VanceCrozier on Tuesday, January 21, 2014 7:33 AM

1,300 miles between the air compressor and airbrush? You'll need a long hose & several moisture traps to make that work...

On the bench: Airfix 1/72 Wildcat; Airfix 1/72 Vampire T11; Airfix 1/72 Fouga Magister

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Posted by roger_wilco on Tuesday, January 21, 2014 2:54 AM

VanceCrozier

roger_wilco

Hi Vance,

Due to the small scale nature of my recent build,I hand paint them.I have a cheap Testors airbrush,but have never used it.I'd like to see your CR-42 build...Douglas

Very nice work at such a small scale - what are you using for paint?

I've added work pics to the CR.42 posting here: http://cs.finescale.com/fsm/modeling_subjects/f/2/t/158088.aspx

Vance,

I use Testors Acryics as they brush on quite well for such small scale models.I have a compressor in storage but it's 1,300 miles away! When I get it back I hope to pick up a decent airbrush.

"Build what YOU want, the way YOU want, and above all have fun!" - RIP Modeler Al. 

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Posted by stikpusher on Monday, January 20, 2014 3:12 PM

IIRC, the A-4Q is an updated a-4B. Not so much the radome, as another addition to the spine.

 

F is for FIRE, That burns down the whole town!

U is for URANIUM... BOMBS!

N is for NO SURVIVORS...

       - Plankton

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Posted by GMorrison on Monday, January 20, 2014 3:09 PM

At 1/72 is it enough to just change the radomes to make an A-4B into an A-4Q?

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Posted by VanceCrozier on Monday, January 20, 2014 9:09 AM

Gamera

...maybe the lighter colours appear darker now and the darker ones didn't seem to change that much bringing them together....

Ditto That's what I was thinking.

Gamera

4). Hang that sucka from the ceiling!!!

Hmm Whistling

On the bench: Airfix 1/72 Wildcat; Airfix 1/72 Vampire T11; Airfix 1/72 Fouga Magister

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Posted by Gamera on Monday, January 20, 2014 8:36 AM

Funny, it not only got darker though but it dulled the contrast, maybe the lighter colours appear darker now and the darker ones didn't seem to change that much bringing them together. I dunno, I was a biology major- I hated physics!

And...

4). Hang that sucka from the ceiling!!!

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Posted by VanceCrozier on Monday, January 20, 2014 7:35 AM

taxtp

Glad to see you here Vance. Any more GBs on the way or are you too busy for now ?

I'm pretty keen to start my T-33 or F6F for this one, but it might depend on how I feel on the day as to which I build.

Paul - what decals and kit are you using for that Uruguayan OA-37 ? It's of interest to me too.

Cheers

Tony

Tony!!! Well I'll certainly be building for this one, anything beyond that I'd have to take a good look at my schedule. I'm still planning on the FW-58 at this point, but I need to sort out my display cabinet situation before building anymore "twins". I did a big re-arrangement this weekend & realized that there is no way to physically jam a 1/72 He-177 into the cabinet I have. Embarrassed So, my options:

  1. attempt a wing-fold...
  2. build that new cabinet I've been dreaming about...
  3. convince the wife that I've built a centrepiece for the kitchen table, with swastikas and balkenkruez on it...

On the bench: Airfix 1/72 Wildcat; Airfix 1/72 Vampire T11; Airfix 1/72 Fouga Magister

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Posted by VanceCrozier on Monday, January 20, 2014 7:31 AM

Gamera

Hey Vance it is good to see you again. I too hope you post the CR-42 over in the aircraft forum (or did you and I missed it?) - I love Italian aircraft.

Thanks, I did overspray the Corsair with a little buff to blend things in but it was the coat of gloss that for some reason really dulled down the contrast. Not sure what happened but I like it so I'm not questioning it. I did find the two tail wheel doors, they showed up on the bench where I airbrush, not sure where they were hiding the half-dozen times I searched it.

I ordered some PE seatbelts and put them in the box with the kit a few weeks ago. I decided to install them this weekend and guess what? The package has vanished from the box where I put them! No big deal, I can still add them sometime in the future. The canopy is masked, just need to paint it and do a few odds and ends and cross your fingers I'm done.  

(CR.42 link above!)

Ahhhh, gloss coats!! Yeah, anything that is a flat colour to start with generally gets darker when that gloss coat hits it. Without boring you, it's physics! Some paints REALLY darken, some don't, depending on how flat they are to start with I suppose.

On the bench: Airfix 1/72 Wildcat; Airfix 1/72 Vampire T11; Airfix 1/72 Fouga Magister

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Posted by VanceCrozier on Monday, January 20, 2014 7:28 AM

roger_wilco

Hi Vance,

Due to the small scale nature of my recent build,I hand paint them.I have a cheap Testors airbrush,but have never used it.I'd like to see your CR-42 build...Douglas

Very nice work at such a small scale - what are you using for paint?

I've added work pics to the CR.42 posting here: http://cs.finescale.com/fsm/modeling_subjects/f/2/t/158088.aspx

On the bench: Airfix 1/72 Wildcat; Airfix 1/72 Vampire T11; Airfix 1/72 Fouga Magister

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Posted by Gamera on Monday, January 20, 2014 7:27 AM

Hey Vance it is good to see you again. I too hope you post the CR-42 over in the aircraft forum (or did you and I missed it?) - I love Italian aircraft.

Thanks, I did overspray the Corsair with a little buff to blend things in but it was the coat of gloss that for some reason really dulled down the contrast. Not sure what happened but I like it so I'm not questioning it. I did find the two tail wheel doors, they showed up on the bench where I airbrush, not sure where they were hiding the half-dozen times I searched it.

I ordered some PE seatbelts and put them in the box with the kit a few weeks ago. I decided to install them this weekend and guess what? The package has vanished from the box where I put them! No big deal, I can still add them sometime in the future. The canopy is masked, just need to paint it and do a few odds and ends and cross your fingers I'm done.  

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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Posted by roger_wilco on Monday, January 20, 2014 7:14 AM

VanceCrozier

Wow gang, I've been AWOL around here for multiple weeks, it would seem. Busy at the office & busy working through a Fiat CR.42 - DONE!!!  Just trying to get caught up in here now.

Gamera - Love the work on the interior of that COrsair, shaping up nicely. Gear doors - did the carpet monster ever surrender them to you? Love that 3-tone topside, definitely a little different! Did you overspray the whole thing? Looks toned down a little from the original photos.

stikpusher - Tigershark is looking good. How are the Aztec decals to work with?Loving the multi-coloured cam. Snake or Tiger? Accident? You're about the 4th person I know of that has had to deal with auto insurance in the past few weeks. Must be the time of year??

Roger Wilco - thanks for the info on those F86s… an interesting option for the future. And ANOTHER 1/144 kit here?? Man, people tell me I build in braille-scale! And multi-colour cam too - are you airbrushing that paint or hand-painting?

Johan T - SAAB JAS 39 - the Brazilians are lining up for a large order of those aren't they? Good news!  HOPING they go with a green & gray cam similar to the F-5 to avoid the gray-over-gray trap. That 2xGreen digital pattern looks amazing!

GM - what are you building? Good to see another multi-engine machine.

Hi Vance,

Due to the small scale nature of my recent build,I hand paint them.I have a cheap Testors airbrush,but have never used it.I'd like to see your CR-42 build...Douglas

"Build what YOU want, the way YOU want, and above all have fun!" - RIP Modeler Al. 

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Posted by taxtp on Sunday, January 19, 2014 9:19 PM

Glad to see you here Vance. Any more GBs on the way or are you too busy for now ?

I'm pretty keen to start my T-33 or F6F for this one, but it might depend on how I feel on the day as to which I build.

Paul - what decals and kit are you using for that Uruguayan OA-37 ? It's of interest to me too.

Cheers

Tony

I'm just taking it one GB at a time.

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Posted by VanceCrozier on Sunday, January 19, 2014 8:31 PM

Wow gang, I've been AWOL around here for multiple weeks, it would seem. Busy at the office & busy working through a Fiat CR.42 - DONE!!!  Just trying to get caught up in here now.

Gamera - Love the work on the interior of that COrsair, shaping up nicely. Gear doors - did the carpet monster ever surrender them to you? Love that 3-tone topside, definitely a little different! Did you overspray the whole thing? Looks toned down a little from the original photos.

stikpusher - Tigershark is looking good. How are the Aztec decals to work with?Loving the multi-coloured cam. Snake or Tiger? Accident? You're about the 4th person I know of that has had to deal with auto insurance in the past few weeks. Must be the time of year??

Roger Wilco - thanks for the info on those F86s… an interesting option for the future. And ANOTHER 1/144 kit here?? Man, people tell me I build in braille-scale! And multi-colour cam too - are you airbrushing that paint or hand-painting?

Johan T - SAAB JAS 39 - the Brazilians are lining up for a large order of those aren't they? Good news!  HOPING they go with a green & gray cam similar to the F-5 to avoid the gray-over-gray trap. That 2xGreen digital pattern looks amazing!

GM - what are you building? Good to see another multi-engine machine.

On the bench: Airfix 1/72 Wildcat; Airfix 1/72 Vampire T11; Airfix 1/72 Fouga Magister

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Posted by VanceCrozier on Sunday, January 19, 2014 7:59 PM

bigua

Hello friends, I have decided that I will build models, will be:

1) Kingfisher OS2U Cuban

2) A-37 Dragonfly at FAU

I hope to finish one.

regards

Paul

Bigua!!! How have you been!?  Looking forward to seeing these getting built up!

On the bench: Airfix 1/72 Wildcat; Airfix 1/72 Vampire T11; Airfix 1/72 Fouga Magister

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Posted by stikpusher on Thursday, January 16, 2014 7:59 PM

Well I now know what airbags feel like... sort of like  a left jab to the face with a heavy glove... LOL! I really kept this jeep pretty stock. thank you for all the kind words guys. I really do appreciate them!

 

F is for FIRE, That burns down the whole town!

U is for URANIUM... BOMBS!

N is for NO SURVIVORS...

       - Plankton

LSM

 

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