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Posted by Rob S. on Friday, March 7, 2014 4:58 PM

Looking forward to seeing that P-51's completion!

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Posted by JOE RIX on Friday, March 7, 2014 3:50 PM

Mike, Your P-51 is looking really nice. Sounds like your coming into the home stretch.

"Not only do I not know what's going on, I wouldn't know what to do about it if I did". George Carlin

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Posted by Bish on Friday, March 7, 2014 1:37 PM

Coming on nicely Mike.

I am a Norfolk man and i glory in being so

 

On the bench: Airfix 1/72nd Harrier GR.3/Fujimi 1/72nd Ju 87D-3

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Posted by schmidty on Friday, March 7, 2014 1:20 PM

Well, painting is coming along nicely.  All I have left to do is the top-side olive drab and to finish the drop tanks and propeller nose.

--Mike

On the Bench: 1:72 Academy P-51B

On Deck: 1:72 Hobby Craft DHC-3 (U-1A) & 1:72 Academy Ju 87G-1

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Posted by waynec on Thursday, March 6, 2014 9:30 PM

i started painting the white on an M1117 4x4 for a MERDC winter scheme. that went south. so decided to freehand airbrush the green camo on my british LCVP (italeri) and that went south too. so i stripped it down and repainted the base color on the bow twice before that looked ok. obviously wasn't my day to paint.

FOLLOWUP- just checked and my recovery base coat paint job looks good. and this is for THE LONGEST DAY GB but i saw ther LCVP

Никто не Забыт    (No one is Forgotten)
Ничто не Забыто  (Nothing is Forgotten)

 

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Posted by JOE RIX on Thursday, March 6, 2014 7:05 PM

Bish

JOE RIX

Bish

Joe, RAF aircraft are not my forte, I was just lucky enough to get a visit to the BBMF thanks to one of the RAF WO's at my unit also being the Load master on the BBMF's C-47. But at a guess, I would say yes, at least after the RAF switched to night bombing. And I say that only because it seems to make sense to have a cockpit that's as dark as possible at night, not only to stop it being seen by the enemy, but I think it would also make it easier for the pilot to see in the dark if he didn't have anything bright around.

But its just a guess.

Yes, that makes absolute sense. You are he who is much filled with wisdom.

Don't let my Mrs hear you say that, you will hear the laughter from there.Big Smile

LOL! Trust me Bish, I will not blow your cover.Wink

"Not only do I not know what's going on, I wouldn't know what to do about it if I did". George Carlin

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  • From: Michigan
Posted by silentbob33 on Thursday, March 6, 2014 6:20 PM

I taught the Longest Day in my history classes yesterday, so I thought I'd make some progress on my LCVP.  After lots and lots of cleanup, I have the deck and ramp done minus the string to hold the ramp.

Next step is going to be removing the molded on rope so I can make some hatches for the rear deck.

By the way, a lot of impressive work on here.  I'm learning a ton just from seeing what you all are doing

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Posted by Rigidrider on Thursday, March 6, 2014 5:12 PM

EB... Two absolutely GORGEOUS builds... I agree with Bish Tanta Ju is my favorite!

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Make Lemonade!

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  • From: Bury St Edmunds, Suffolk, England
Posted by Bish on Thursday, March 6, 2014 4:06 PM

JOE RIX

Bish

Joe, RAF aircraft are not my forte, I was just lucky enough to get a visit to the BBMF thanks to one of the RAF WO's at my unit also being the Load master on the BBMF's C-47. But at a guess, I would say yes, at least after the RAF switched to night bombing. And I say that only because it seems to make sense to have a cockpit that's as dark as possible at night, not only to stop it being seen by the enemy, but I think it would also make it easier for the pilot to see in the dark if he didn't have anything bright around.

But its just a guess.

Yes, that makes absolute sense. You are he who is much filled with wisdom.

Don't let my Mrs hear you say that, you will hear the laughter from there.Big Smile

I am a Norfolk man and i glory in being so

 

On the bench: Airfix 1/72nd Harrier GR.3/Fujimi 1/72nd Ju 87D-3

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Posted by JOE RIX on Thursday, March 6, 2014 3:44 PM

Bish

Joe, RAF aircraft are not my forte, I was just lucky enough to get a visit to the BBMF thanks to one of the RAF WO's at my unit also being the Load master on the BBMF's C-47. But at a guess, I would say yes, at least after the RAF switched to night bombing. And I say that only because it seems to make sense to have a cockpit that's as dark as possible at night, not only to stop it being seen by the enemy, but I think it would also make it easier for the pilot to see in the dark if he didn't have anything bright around.

But its just a guess.

Yes, that makes absolute sense. You are he who is much filled with wisdom.

"Not only do I not know what's going on, I wouldn't know what to do about it if I did". George Carlin

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Posted by JOE RIX on Thursday, March 6, 2014 3:40 PM

Eric, Your Mustang and Ju 52 are really outstanding. Your Ju 52 is indeed exceptional. I would like to thank you for taking the time and effort to share your history, analysis and process with us. It is so much more rewarding and helpful when someone takes the time to explain and show what it is exactly that their doing and how they are doing it. Thanks once again. And again, stunning work.

"Not only do I not know what's going on, I wouldn't know what to do about it if I did". George Carlin

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Posted by jibber on Thursday, March 6, 2014 1:36 PM

Eric great weathering and the decals look awesome. A very nice build.

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  • From: Bury St Edmunds, Suffolk, England
Posted by Bish on Thursday, March 6, 2014 12:56 PM

Eric, sweet looking builds there, but I have to say I love the Ju.

Rob, no problem, I was just lucky to be in the right place at the right time.

I am a Norfolk man and i glory in being so

 

On the bench: Airfix 1/72nd Harrier GR.3/Fujimi 1/72nd Ju 87D-3

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Posted by Rob S. on Thursday, March 6, 2014 6:07 AM

Awesome, thanks

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Posted by EBergerud on Thursday, March 6, 2014 12:41 AM

You want to put a lot of pledge on - a puddle, not a coating. It's only needed on the area where the decal sits - you could use this technique on a matte surface. Put the Pledge on immediately before applying the decal because Pledge starts to dry fast and then moving the decals is tough. Once set correctly gently draw a damp brush over the decal and push it into the Pledge where it will kind of glue to the surface. I find using lots of water is more forgiving on a normal surface, but if there's something irregular Pledge does work well. Like any new technique you might want to try it on a spare model. It could very well be that a top quality decal will serve better than a lower grade variety regardless of how you put it on. Anyway, this does work.

Eric

 

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Posted by Rob S. on Wednesday, March 5, 2014 10:05 PM

Eric: VERY excellent Ju 52!! One question, applying decals on wet Pledge, I've recently read about this but never tried it, is there anything you need to know about this technique to get it right, or, is it pretty straight forward? Thanks!

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Posted by Rob S. on Wednesday, March 5, 2014 10:00 PM

JOE RIX

Bish, I Thank You for that clarification on the cockpit colors. So, are you savvy if this was the case with all British bombers say like the Wellington, Sterling etc.. And if the "minty" green interior color was specific to their fighters and fighter/bombers.

Yes, I echo the thanks! One of the reasons I am so happy to be here!

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Posted by Viejo on Wednesday, March 5, 2014 8:55 PM

The seams are about gone, and itty-bitty parts are starting to come together.

The launch supports are glued to the ring, the rocket is just sitting there.

http://i1300.photobucket.com/albums/ag99/billh7/IMG_6902_zps13e9d692.jpg

Same situation, but the fins are fitted (not glued) just to see how it fits.  Same with the ring support platform.

http://i1300.photobucket.com/albums/ag99/billh7/IMG_6908_zps08b4b480.jpg

 

Sorry about the focus, macro is still a challenge......

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Posted by schmidty on Wednesday, March 5, 2014 6:57 PM

Eric: Both are very nice, but I REALLY like what you did with that Junker.  Outstanding!

--Mike

On the Bench: 1:72 Academy P-51B

On Deck: 1:72 Hobby Craft DHC-3 (U-1A) & 1:72 Academy Ju 87G-1

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Posted by EBergerud on Wednesday, March 5, 2014 4:39 PM

Revell 1/48 JU-52

Paints: Vallejo & Tamiya

Weathering: True Earth Whitewash; Iawa Com.Art Acrylics

This is my build of Revell's rendition of the redoubtable JU-52 transport that was as important to the Wehrmacht as C-47s were to the allies: very. The first thing that strikes you is that “Tante” (auntie) Ju-52 was a good sized plane: at 1/48 scale it's much the larges aircraft model I've built. (I'm very glad now that I've bought a B-17, Sunderland and Lancaster in 1/72: I'm not sure where I'm going to put this one.) The part count is moderate, but the detail is very impressive especially when you consider the $25 cost.

In general I found the fit excellent, however the complex “double wing” was attached to seven points on each side with the parts fitting into grooves. Unfortunately I only had five connectors in proper condition – the other nine were broken off. A real pain but I scratch built replacements of a sort. And I stepped on the canopy within a half hour of opening the box and broke it in three parts. All things considered, the canopy (glued with MicroScale clear cement) looked ok at the end. Consider it battle damage. Things were made easier with EZ Masks which I like a lot.

Painting:

I get a kick out of paint mixing. I wasn't pleased with anything I had that represented RLM2 for the interior, so I made my own brew that looked pretty good I think. I was behind schedule for the D-Day Group Build and decided not to embellish in that way. So, I painted on the seat belts and only I would know if I didn't photograph it:

I also made a nice mix for RLM 71 out of three shades of Vallejo Model Color. I made it a little light because I wanted it to contrast a little more than proper with the RLM 70 which Vallejo Model Air fit perfectly. There was a lot of masking, and a lot of painting. Model Color has a perfect fit for RLM 65.

Because of the corrugated surface I applied decals in wet pools of Pledge. Things were looking pretty good with the decals on and I was very tempted to give the aircraft a summer uniform and be done with it. But I've never winterized a model before, and decided from the outset that this model cried for it. JU-52s were busy 24 X 7 in every theater of the war, but it's hard not to think of these aircraft supplying German units trapped or nearly trapped in pockets on the Eastern Front. Stalingrad gets all the press, but after the collapse of the Kursk offensive, the Wehrmacht was on a mad dash westward trying to avoid a general collapse. Some brilliant generalship and the Wehrmacht's traditional fighting skill, kept the front more or less in tact until the summer of 1944 catastrophe. But it was nip and tuck in the winter of 43-44 with large German units in jeopardy all across the front. The Korsun pocket was the largest but not alone. In any case, the LW transport wing helped keep the FeldHeer alive in that period.

In the winter the LW applied whitewash to their transports. (I think some might have received a more formal winter camo scheme.) This would have gone over the RLM 65/70/71 splinter scheme. With these aircraft being flown into the ground there was no time for cosmetics – a condition shown in a blizzard of photos of Ju-52s flying in this period. So the white wash was wearing off and the plane was taking an overall pounding. And then there was the oil. I watched a nice old episode of the “Wings” series on the Ju-52 and the narrator noted that the plane burned so much oil that under the best of circumstances it was covered with an oily film that made things tough on ground crew. When under furious use the photo evidence is very clear that huge oil/carbon deposits came from each of the three engines. Add to the general wear and tear of non-stop use and heavy weathering was certainly in order.

I used a whitewash paint from True Earth. It's an acrylic resin that comes off gradually and evenly with a wet brush. I wasn't looking for big streaks that you'd get with hairspray or one of the AK substitutes. I wanted something that would come off gradually – giving the impression of wearing down instead of ripping off. Here's how it looked:

Rest of the weathering was done with Com.Art. First I used their transparant smoke and finely painted the major lines of rivets. I used transparent black for major panel lines – a time consuming task. I then put on a kind of gray/brown filter and it evened out the panel lines and left a very nice look and texture of grime. I used Com.Art old oil and blue-smoke to color the carbon deposits on the wings. Some old oil and clear was used on places where I'd guess lubrication stains would show – including all the along the control surfaces both wing and tail. I wanted the whitewash to be in the final stages of dissolution so the other RLM 70 & 71 were faintly visible and they are.

It took a long time. I made things harder than needed. But overall, I'm pretty happy. Just not sure where I'm going to put this monster.,

More Ju-52 pics below:

Eric

 

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Posted by EBergerud on Wednesday, March 5, 2014 4:24 PM

Tamiya 1/48 P-51 MKIII (RAF)

Paints: Tamiya acrylics for base; stripes and interior Golden Fluid Acrylics

Weathering: Iwata Com.Art acrylics

I did this for the Finescale D-Day Group Build, so I guess it fits here too. This was my first late 90s vintage Tamiya kit so I don't have many build pics because the plane more or less built itself. There was a nasty seam on the bottom but I'd say that was simply a bad mold or bad luck. Overall the fit was terrific. I did some work on what kind of colors were applied to RAF planes built in the US and think I got it pretty close.

But of course we wanted stripes. This called for a odd contrast. I failed to take pics of the pre-stripe plane, and the stripes absolutely dominate the kit visually. As you can see below, stripes dominate the look of a US 51B.

Applying the stripes was done at the very last minute for security reasons, and thus on June 4th there were ground crew all over the UK furiously slopping on black and white paints of whatever was available. (One RAF pilot described as “glop, but not really paint.”) Here's a pic of a Spitfire getting prepped:

I masked the wings with tape, but hand painted it with Golden Fluid carbon black and titanium white. For my money these are the two most opaque paints on the planet in their respective colors and show the exceptional quality of Golden pigments. With a little Flow Aid, Golden hand paints as well or better than Vallejo Model Color or Citadel. I used a pretty small brush which took some time, but I didn't want the brush strokes to be too large. There was a little over-paint which I fixed by hand to given the stripes the kind of irregular surface seen on the real articles.

In the spirit of D-Day I wanted to tip my hat to one of the smaller allies that helped greatly in the formidable task of turning Hitler's Reich into rubble. In this case we have a P-51 MKIII flown by the crack RAF 315 Squadron made up of Polish pilots. It says something that of the very small allotment of P-51Bs to the RAF, that two Polish squadrons were so equipped. They arrived early in 1944 and spent several months in the very nasty air war the RAF ran against German shipping and air bases in Norway, a task well suited to the P-51s “long legs.” But when D-Day came, more or less everything that could fly was delegated to direct support of the landings. People think of Jugs or Typhoons when they think of allied Jabo, and for good reason. The P-51, water cooled engine and all, was an excellent ground attack aircraft because of its ability to take care of unwanted problems. It was also, like all US planes, very rugged. Although elite fighter groups of 8th AF made their reputation destroying the Luftwaffe in combat, Mustangs were widely used with great effect for ground attack – after all, if you weren't flying to Berlin all that weight going to fuel tanks could go to bombs and rockets. (Both the P-51 and Corsair were widely used for ground attack during Korea when their day as premier fighters was over.)

That's about it: more pics below taken with my ancient Canon Sure Shot which lives in St. Paul.

Eric

 

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Posted by Bish on Wednesday, March 5, 2014 12:55 PM

Joe, RAF aircraft are not my forte, I was just lucky enough to get a visit to the BBMF thanks to one of the RAF WO's at my unit also being the Load master on the BBMF's C-47. But at a guess, I would say yes, at least after the RAF switched to night bombing. And I say that only because it seems to make sense to have a cockpit that's as dark as possible at night, not only to stop it being seen by the enemy, but I think it would also make it easier for the pilot to see in the dark if he didn't have anything bright around.

But its just a guess.

I am a Norfolk man and i glory in being so

 

On the bench: Airfix 1/72nd Harrier GR.3/Fujimi 1/72nd Ju 87D-3

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Posted by JOE RIX on Wednesday, March 5, 2014 12:42 PM

Bish, I Thank You for that clarification on the cockpit colors. So, are you savvy if this was the case with all British bombers say like the Wellington, Sterling etc.. And if the "minty" green interior color was specific to their fighters and fighter/bombers.

"Not only do I not know what's going on, I wouldn't know what to do about it if I did". George Carlin

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Posted by Bish on Wednesday, March 5, 2014 12:31 PM

Rob, all of the front end of the Lanc interior was black and from the pit back it was green. I was lucky enough to climb inside the BBMF Lanc a few years back. But yours looks good and the green should hopefully help things show up a bit more once its all closed up.

I am a Norfolk man and i glory in being so

 

On the bench: Airfix 1/72nd Harrier GR.3/Fujimi 1/72nd Ju 87D-3

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Posted by Rigidrider on Wednesday, March 5, 2014 12:27 PM

Hey Rob... yeah the thicker clear is unfortunately in part due to the clear cycolac being much more brittle then the regular opaque styrene and secondly the scale tends to make them smaller and harder to extract from the molds, again increasing the risk of cracking and breakage. Good tip from Jack... I will file that away and try when  need be.

Doug

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Posted by SchattenSpartan on Wednesday, March 5, 2014 7:15 AM

Mike: Looking very good. I'm with Bish on the oil wash being a bit on the light side.

Doug: Wow, that's one impressive weathering job! She really looks like she saw some action.

Rob: Nice looking work on that cockpit!

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Posted by Rob S. on Wednesday, March 5, 2014 7:04 AM

Joe: The interior colour, to be honest, is based on the instructions. It seems to be mixing black and interior green. Strangely, there is an inconsistency with what it's supposed to be: The left fuselage is mix black green and the right side is solid black. I really don't imagine the entire bomber's interior was as black as the plan calls for. Really surprising for Airfix, eh? But, in the end,  I'm not a big 'researcher' so I take the plan for what it is. I did google Lanc's and really, the interior green is definitely more prominent than black for sure.

Jack: Thanks for that. I really want to have those holes 'glassed'. The obstruction of the instrument panel comment is based on the last Lanc I did from Revell. Airfix really likes their thick clear plastic. Thin it out, eh? Interesting to try, but, never have done before...I'd be worried that I'd wreck the thing!!

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Posted by jgeratic on Wednesday, March 5, 2014 1:19 AM

Guys, great looking works happening here.

Rob - regarding your question about the liquid to create clear lenses, windows etc., yes it does work.  It looks milky when you first apply it, but does dry clear.  The process is similar to when you were kids and made bubbles with dish soap.  The edge has to be completely covered with the stuff, and once a skin is formed, carefully withdraw your paintbrush (or whatever tool you are using to apply the special liquid).

As for the canopy obstructing the view of that instrument panel decal - if you think it would be still visible angle wise, you can thin the clear plastic from the inside with sandpaper, gradually working up to a fine grit.  Then dip it in future, and once dried it should be much clearer to view through.

regards,

Jack

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Posted by JOE RIX on Tuesday, March 4, 2014 11:11 PM

Rob, Your cockpit is looking great. Really nice work so far. Something caught me upon seeing your cockpit paint work. I'm not overly familiar with the details of British, oops, sorry, RCAF bombers. More precisely cockpit colors. I've built a Spitfire and a Hawker Typhoon and they each had the British interior "minty" green for the cockpit. Are RCAF bomber cockpits actually a different color as you have depicted? I'm not saying it's wrong, just curious. I guess I'm just used to the fact nearly all American aircraft are chromate green and Luftwaffe in RLM 66. Did Avro use a different cockpit color as opposed to Hawker and Supermarine? I'm always interested in learning something new and this simply perked my interest.

"Not only do I not know what's going on, I wouldn't know what to do about it if I did". George Carlin

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Posted by schmidty on Tuesday, March 4, 2014 9:17 PM

Wow Rob.  It's looking great so far!

--Mike

On the Bench: 1:72 Academy P-51B

On Deck: 1:72 Hobby Craft DHC-3 (U-1A) & 1:72 Academy Ju 87G-1

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