1944 Group Build

LOL, guys you are scary...

JOE RIX

For the love of pete Bish, do NOT make such suggestions to Clemens, even in jest. He suffers from an acute GB psychosis that is dictating his entire life. We need to refrain from encouraging him in an attempt to nurture him into some degree of normalcy.

I know, I need to think before I type.

For the love of pete Bish, do NOT make such suggestions to Clemens, even in jest. He suffers from an acute GB psychosis that is dictating his entire life. We need to refrain from encouraging him in an attempt to nurture him into some degree of normalcy.

Nope, but I do have 2 badgers, a 100 and 150, but no patriot.

Maybe a none Patriot user's GB

(I am kidding)

Am I the only one without a Patriot now?

i have one of those and it's great. easy to clean, easy to use

Sweet score Allen. You will really like the Patriot. The added bonus of your new airbrush is that Badger has absolutely fantastic customer service. They will replace anything faulty for free and should you require repair or refurbish you can send the brush to them and they will fix it for only the cost of parts and shipping. Happy Airbrushing.

Half a dozen GBs? I could take that as an insult you know?  It's more like 13... Most of them end at the very end of this year though, so I have plenty of time (although I'm afraid I have to drop out of one or two of them...

I second the tip regarding a gravity fed brush BTW. It doesn't only make cleaning easier but I also allows you to spray at a very low pressure (you need a certain amount of air pressure to get the paint flowing in siphon fed ABs.

Well, I need to get caught up here...

Joe R... That sir.... is going to be an amazing build! I await your start with baited breath!

BB...Welcome sir! You also have a great topic to build.

Allen... The old "H" Paasche is a wonderful old brush... in its day, I have the H in the various sizes and you are correct. What a PITA to clean or swap colors, Still its a good brush for some uses. The V series is great too but again, siphon feed and hard to clean. My 2 cents? Get a gravity fed! Cleans easy, easy maintenance, easy to use. There are some beautiful gravity fed guns out there in just about any price range. I bought a MaxPro from TCP Global and love it, but would truely love to get a real good one someday!

I will be starting my build here soon as I finish the Japanese 3 GB. I will be jumping between the ones Ive signed up for trying to do a couple or three for each as the year goes on. After all, We cant all posses the iron will and fortatude of Clemens and have three or four GB hostings and be building for a half dozen others at the same time! (LOL) sorry bro...Just kidding!(*grin) Take care all!

Doug

There are some photos in this book, but it's more intended to detail the guys INSIDE the cockpits doing the flying:  www.amazon.com/.../ref=sr_1_1

I have heard a lot about those aero detail books, but they don't seem easy, or cheap, to get hold of. Seen some on Amazon for a lot of money, but Hobby link seems decent, just have to wait for more to come back in stock.

Clemen's, I have finally made a decision. Put me down for AFV Club 1/35th 251/3 Ausf D. I need to make a dent in my rather large 251 collection, and this is one of a couple that suits 44.

Blue: Thank you very much! I have the "In Action" book as well, but I use it more as a source to get some nice pics of the Jugs in the enviroment they were used in (with the object of interest not always being the plane in this book) and for some short info on the development. It's not as great as a reference book as it is a source of inspiration...

That Hell Hawks book looks great! I thought about buying it before, but the price kinda put me off. I'll have to take a look at it again.

Allen,

Thanks for the welcome and kind words.  It was very nice of you to say.

Clemens, I'll concur about "Detail & Scale".  I have it and find it very useful as well.  I also have "Walk Around" and "In Action."  I go to both D&S & WA ahead of IA because they focus on specific details which are useful for modeling, but all three have a place.

I purchased mine used off of Ebay, and saved a decent bit of money.

Also, since I know you are a Jug man, I'm sure you'd enjoy having this one as well:

Not a pure P-47 modeling reference per se, but more like deep dive history of that particular group.  The stories and pictures are great.  If you do pick it up, you may as well order the Barracuda decal set that goes with it; you're definitely going to be inspired. The decals are beautiful.

EDIT:

(Completely forgot to say this)

Allen, I use an Iwata Eclipse HP-CS and have been happy with it.  I don't have much experience with anything else to compare it to, but any limitations I've found are due to the operator rather than the tool.  Very quick and easy to clean.

You've got it Clemens. What I like about the Detail & Scale book is there is some color photos of a P-47 cockpit in the dark green color prior to restoration. I used those photos to compare to when I mixed my own dark green on my, still unfinished, P-47.

Allen: Another Airbrush I'd recommend is the Harder&Steenbeck Evolution. You can spray really fine lines with it if you want to and it is very easy to clean. I posted a step-by-step guide on how I clean mine here.

Cleaning takes only 5-10 minutes once you get the hang of it. I'd either get the 2in1 set (0.2 and 0.4 needles included) or the same set of the "Silverline" (basically the same as the normal one with an adjustable trigger stop)

Joe: Thanks a bunch for that info! Are these the right ones?

I found the Aero Detail book at Hobbylink Japan for 21€, so i think I'll order it there together with one of the more rare Hasegawa 1/32 kits (maybe a P-40?)

SchattenSpartan

Regarding reference material: Are there any books about the Thunderbolt you can recommend?

JOE RIX

Indeed you are correct waynec. It is 105 not 155. Dadgum bout of dyslexia.

just fat finger typing. i look back at a post and am embarrassed about some of the typos though i'm sure most folks here understand. still haven't decided what to nuild for this but the 251/17 FLAK or 88mm GRILLE are at the top.

Bill, Glad you thought of Don's site. That is indeed a terrific one.

I would recommend you visit this site. I've found it to be a wealth of info: sites.google.com/.../home

Indeed you are correct waynec. It is 105 not 155. Dadgum bout of dyslexia.

the patriot is the 105 not a 150.  i have a patriot and have used an aztek in the past. patriot cleans real easy and i haven't had any problems.

I'll check those out Joe, thanks for the links.

William, appreciate your advice also.

Welcome aboard Blue - I really admired the p-47 build you did a while back, as your first crack at using Alclad.  Beautiful work.

Allen

I've heard good things about the 155 as well. I have a 150 and I've done everything to it and never got it to work. It's a fluke and been around a long time so lots of info on it. I use an aztek 470a for my work. Owned it for the last 10 years and started using it as a real rookie. I like it and it cleans easy. You'll find people hate it as it's different than other brushes, but I like it alot and have no problems except my own incompetence, which I work through. Based on the info out there though, I'd go the 155. I just had the bad experience with the 150 so I'm where I am at.

Thanks for the welcome guys.

Clemens, I have looked at the various resin offerings as well, and agree that none seem to match that left wheel's tread.  It may be a cool detail that I can't replicate perfectly... my build may turn out to be set prior to blowing the diamond tire out.  

Turns out that I have both block & diamond tread resin wheels here on my desk (I am planning on at least one more build from the phenomenal Hell Hawks decals), but both sets have open spoked wheels and the photo clearly shows the covered versions!  Oh well.  

Anyway... glad to be part of this group build,

Blue

If it is any help to you Allen, might I suggest the Badger 155 Patriot. Just a great all purpose airbrush that is very quick and easy to clean. I love mine for that very reason. You can usually find them at a fairly reasonable price. Here's a couple of sites to check for airbrushes and supplies that I use:

http://www.dixieart.com/

www.tcpglobal.com/airbrushdepot

JOE RIX

Thanks Allen. How's the P-38 coming along?

It came to a screeching halt for a while.  I am growing increasingly tired of the airbrush I'm using; a Paasche H.  It is a proper pain in the behind to clean, so spraying little parts takes a long time to accomplish.

I've spent the past few days poking around the web looking for a double action gravity feed airbrush that is easier to clean.

The different tread patterns are quite interesting indeed. The right tire seems to have the "diamond" tread pattern, but I have no clue about the left wheel.

There are 3 common P-47 tire styles AFAIK:

Diamont tread (seems to be the most common):

Block tread:

Cross tread:

The tire in the picture doesn't seem to match any of those versions... 

Bish: Plasticjunkie built a 190 D-13 for the Butcher Bird GB a short while ago. It had one smooth tire while the other one had a tread pattern on it. Maybe you are referring to his build?

Welcome, Blue! This particular Thunderbolt kit is the best aircraft kit out there IMO! It just has NO fit issues at all and the amount of details is awesome! It's even a bit better than Tamiya's Bubbletop Jugs! I'm building this one for the Reich Defenders GB right now (with German markings and all lower surfaces painted in yellow).

Welcome aboard Blue. Look forward to seeing your build. I seem to recall someone else who built an aircraft with different patterns of tires, not sure if it was a P-47 though.