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  • Member since
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  • From: San Antonio, Texas
Posted by Marcus McBean on Tuesday, October 21, 2014 9:25 PM

Marc,

Your plane is amazing, just amazing.

Marcus

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  • From: Rochester, New York USA
Posted by rocker286 on Tuesday, October 21, 2014 9:31 PM

Marc - Epic Work!

Blue - I'm with Mark, you did such a stellar job fixing that seam that no one would be able to tell it needed work! Great job!

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  • From: Piscataway, NJ!
Posted by wing_nut on Wednesday, October 22, 2014 8:49 AM

Rob, Marcus, Rocker... thanks so much guys.

Rob it was easy... decals ;)

Marc  

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  • From: Toronto
Posted by Rob S. on Wednesday, October 22, 2014 5:35 PM

AW, JEEZ Marc!! I was expecting some earth shattering super-cool technique!!! Stick out tongue

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  • From: Piscataway, NJ!
Posted by wing_nut on Wednesday, October 22, 2014 8:43 PM

Sorry budWink

Marc  

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Posted by Big Blue on Saturday, October 25, 2014 9:28 AM

Marc, your RE8 looks absolutely beautiful.  Rocker, thanks very much!

Ok, update time.... bottom rigging is done, and so far Rob and Mike have proven correct about the rigging being easier than it looks (although I'm not out of the woods yet).  Not having an second wing means that with planning, most of the work can be done in open space, which greatly simplifies things.  The trickiest part, so far, was figuring out where that spider web of lines runs to and from.  With that in mind, here are a few shots of the pre-assembly work:

I decided to use monofilament for all of the rigging (mostly .127 mm), and am using a combination of polyimide (the brownish plastic) and nickel silver tubes for the connectors.  I use the polyimide to represent the whipping around the rigging wire where it splices back on itself, and the metal to represent connecting hardware around as I'll explain.  (The picture above breaks that scheme by using metal connectors for on the elevator lines where they connect to the control rod.  I did that rigging about a month ago before I settled on my strategy, and didn't re-do it.)  

The pictures show a number of eyelets that I made from twisted wire and installed into holes that I drilled (there were already mounting holes in the bottom of the fuselage behind the front of the landing gear supports seen above).  The bottom piece of the undercarriage assembly had two molded bumps where the rigging would connect, so I just drilled out the plastic and used them rather than adding wire.

Here are the in progress pictures:

None of the lines have been tightened and glued in those pictures.  I have since glued and trimmed the rigging that does not attach to the wings (center supports, control lines, etc.), but am going to hold off tightening the wing lines until the plane is flipped and the top is finished due to my concerns over sag.

I am using Gaspatch turnbuckles, 1/48 for the inline rigging, and 1/32 for the wing attachment points and the arms on the wing warping control pylon.  The Eindecker's wings were removable for transport, and the turnbuckles were color coded to simplify re-assembly.  Red for starboard, green for port (weird, I know), and blue for the top center lines.  To attach the turnbuckles to control horns, etc. I use small pieces of the metal tubing, plus .1mm monofilament  to make the conectors.  I pass the mono through the tube, then the control horn, then back through the tube, then through the turnbuckle's eye, then back through the tube for a third time (which I why I use the finer mono).  Pull the tag ends until the two loops are very small, and you get a flexible but relatively neat connection to the control horn or eyelet.  For the wing attachments, I wanted something more direct, so I put a small piece of wire through the turnbuckle's eye, and holding the tag end together, twisted the turnbuckle until an eyelet was formed.  Snip off the wire leaving a tag to stick in the mounting hole, and the turnbuckle is free to move to the correct angle when the rigging is tightened:

Finally, I mounted the 4 front wing lines to the post that runs down the center of the undercarriage.  The two innermost lines connect to the knob end that stick out in front of the cross supports, so I added a drop of CA to the underside of the knob to hold them in place:

And that's the underside rigging.

Blue

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    December 2002
  • From: Bury St Edmunds, Suffolk, England
Posted by Bish on Saturday, October 25, 2014 11:37 AM

I was going to ask about the lettering on the tires. That looks really nice and is a great touch. Is it just one decal.

Blue, that rigging is looking great, could you show us how you make those connectors. And thanks for the info on using the turnbuckles.

More stunning work guys, very inspiring.

I am a Norfolk man and i glory in being so

 

On the bench: Airfix 1/72nd Harrier GR.3/Fujimi 1/72nd Ju 87D-3

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Posted by Big Blue on Saturday, October 25, 2014 12:05 PM

Bish,

Thanks for the comment.  The connectors are small pieces of 29 gauge polyimide tubing:

which I purchased from Amazon.  It is thin, somewhat flexible plastic tubing which cuts easily with an XActo knife, and generally holds its shape.  Once cut, I use it the same way as you would use metal tubing: run the mono through the tube, through the eyelet, turnbuckle, etc., and back through the tube to form a loop.  Finish off with a drop of CA, and cut off the tag end.  Because of it is color and how thin the walls are, I think it does a good job of representing the protective leather finishing that you see on spliced wires.

I hope that helps,

Blue

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  • From: Bury St Edmunds, Suffolk, England
Posted by Bish on Saturday, October 25, 2014 12:17 PM

Yes, it does Blue, thanks. Sounds simple enough.

I am a Norfolk man and i glory in being so

 

On the bench: Airfix 1/72nd Harrier GR.3/Fujimi 1/72nd Ju 87D-3

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Posted by Rob S. on Saturday, October 25, 2014 12:19 PM

Super wicked job on the rigging Blue!! VERY impressive and hitting it right on the mark...very inspiring for sure.

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Posted by Big Blue on Saturday, October 25, 2014 2:42 PM

Many thanks, Rob.  Like you have said, without that second wing getting in the way, it is really not that bad to rig.  Again, figuring out the plan is the hardest part.  I hope the pictures help to simplify someone's future Eindecker build.  This one has been fun.

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  • From: Piscataway, NJ!
Posted by wing_nut on Saturday, October 25, 2014 5:25 PM

Can't think of a better word than wicked for that rigging blue.

Bish... yup 1 decal for the tires.

Marc  

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  • From: Proctor. MN
Posted by 65ss on Saturday, October 25, 2014 8:09 PM

Blue that rigging looks good!

I finely have some updates to post.

I wanted the weathering to be pretty heavy on the interior, I figured there would be lots of water, dust, and mud  getting in. Also the drivers seat and back rest were smooth so I used diluted white glue to glue some tissue paper to the areas that would be leather, to give them some texture for weathering. Also it looks like I forgot a picture.

Dale

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    January 2014
  • From: Toronto
Posted by Rob S. on Saturday, October 25, 2014 8:30 PM

Big Blue

Many thanks, Rob.  Like you have said, without that second wing getting in the way, it is really not that bad to rig.  Again, figuring out the plan is the hardest part.  I hope the pictures help to simplify someone's future Eindecker build.  This one has been fun.

Yup, I agree Blue. I am a total worshiper of the glory that is WnW, BUT, I will admit, their 'wiring' guides in the normally magnificent instruction 'manuals' is typically VERY hard to see. I'd rather see them break down the wiring into multiple stages for ease. When I did the AMC DH.2...some of the wiring locations were guesses. 

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Posted by Rob S. on Saturday, October 25, 2014 8:32 PM

Wow, Dale, that tank is going to be amazing. Does the kit make allowances to see the interior??

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Posted by Big Blue on Sunday, October 26, 2014 10:13 AM

That is a great looking interior, Dale.  It will be a shame if it gets entirely covered up.

Thanks Marc!

Totally agree with you Rob.  Can't imagine how difficult the DH2's wiring guide would be to interpret!

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  • From: Proctor. MN
Posted by 65ss on Sunday, October 26, 2014 10:25 AM

Thanks guys. I will leave all the hatches I can open, but from the reviews I read a lot of it will disappear.

Dale

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Posted by Big Blue on Sunday, October 26, 2014 12:25 PM

Glad it will be documented there then.

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  • From: Smithers, BC, Canada
Posted by ruddratt on Sunday, October 26, 2014 4:21 PM

Marc - wish I could come up with something that hasn't already been said about your 'Tate.  Man, that is just flippin' amazing! You are indeed the master!

Dale - now I know why I don't do much armor. No way could I do 'em justice the way you guys do.  That interior is mindblowing! Great stuff!

Blue - it's been a treat watching the Eindecker come together.  That rigging- man, I wish I'd done mine that way.  Sure does look the part!

....and speaking of rigging, I'm with Rob.  Love WnW, but the rigging diagrams should be broken up into subassemblies.  Probably why I've yet to start the Fe2B.  Makes me dizzy just looking at all that cabling.

 

I've managed to squeeze in some work on the Roland in spite of a bathroom reno I'm undertaking.  The engine is done and installed into the fuselage, which has been buttoned up. The engine was painted with Alclad II, Reaper, and Tamiya paints and weathered with Tamiya powders and Citadel washes. For the wiring, I tightly twisted very fine speaker wire around the shaft of a #67 bit. The resulting loops fit perfectly over the nubs on the mag. The wiring was painted black and given a yellow wash to replicate the spiral jacketing - think it turned out pretty good. Next will be getting some primer on 'er and start painting those stripes.

 

 

 

Mike

 "We have our own ammunition. It's filled with paint. When we fire it, it makes pretty pictures....scares the hell outta people."

 

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Posted by Big Blue on Sunday, October 26, 2014 6:11 PM

Your engine looks superb, Mike.  I think the wiring came out quite nicely.  Well done.

Blue

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  • From: Toronto
Posted by Rob S. on Sunday, October 26, 2014 6:31 PM

Lovin' it Mike...looks great. I can't remember which version you were doing? Going wood?

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Posted by 65ss on Sunday, October 26, 2014 6:52 PM

Thanks Mike - That engine looks like it's about ready to start up!

Dale

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  • From: Smithers, BC, Canada
Posted by ruddratt on Sunday, October 26, 2014 7:39 PM

Glad you fellas are likin' it so far.  Rob, no wood on this one.  I'm going for Emil Koch's mount, the one with all that B&W horizontal striping on the fuselage.  If it turns out half as nice as yours, I'll be a very happy guy!

Mike

 "We have our own ammunition. It's filled with paint. When we fire it, it makes pretty pictures....scares the hell outta people."

 

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  • From: Piscataway, NJ!
Posted by wing_nut on Monday, October 27, 2014 11:28 AM

Mike, those words worked just fine.  Thanks my friend.

Pretty good? What do you mean pretty good?  That's awesome.  consider that idea officially stolen.  Please tell me your doing a wood fuselage.  I'd love to see what you do with that.

Marc  

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  • From: Bury St Edmunds, Suffolk, England
Posted by Bish on Monday, October 27, 2014 1:13 PM

Those decals look really nice marc.

Dale, nice start on the tank.

Mike, well, I don't think I need to say anything do I.

I am a Norfolk man and i glory in being so

 

On the bench: Airfix 1/72nd Harrier GR.3/Fujimi 1/72nd Ju 87D-3

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  • From: Toronto
Posted by Rob S. on Monday, October 27, 2014 2:12 PM

Mike...that B&W version is going to be epic for sure. As for mine and yours...your engine has already trumped mine, so, keep kickin' butt on it!! I learned some stuff from you that I want to apply on my next one!!

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  • From: Piscataway, NJ!
Posted by wing_nut on Monday, October 27, 2014 2:27 PM

Disregard my comment about the wood fuselage.  I just noticed the disappointing news.Sad

Marc  

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  • From: Piscataway, NJ!
Posted by wing_nut on Tuesday, October 28, 2014 7:07 AM
As I slowly get the new PC up and running I managed to fit in so bench time. The fins on th the 112 lb bomp scaled up to about 3/4" so I made new once from plastic card.  The struts were a little tedious since they are thin with small attachment pint... compared to their newer kits...and it real wobbly until all the struts were in place and secured. On of the cabanes broke at one end while I was fitting the interplane struts. But now she's nice and firm.   And she has a nice rack too

Marc  

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Posted by Big Blue on Tuesday, October 28, 2014 8:11 AM

That looks great, Marc.   The fins came out very nicely, and I like how the wrapping on the landing gear looks.  Great to see her with her top on!

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  • From: Bury St Edmunds, Suffolk, England
Posted by Bish on Tuesday, October 28, 2014 12:41 PM

That's some bomb load on there.

I am a Norfolk man and i glory in being so

 

On the bench: Airfix 1/72nd Harrier GR.3/Fujimi 1/72nd Ju 87D-3

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