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Posted by ygmodeler4 on Saturday, December 6, 2014 12:16 AM

Wow....absolutely gorgeous!

-Josiah

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Posted by Theuns on Friday, December 5, 2014 11:01 PM

Very cool! nicely weathered and different to see it in flight.

Front page updated.

Blackdog, I sent you pm ;-)

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Posted by bvallot on Friday, December 5, 2014 11:05 AM

Roger that.  Here they are:

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Theuns, you can use the first one for the front page.  And thanks again! =]

blackdog, I've included a link to help you find the post a little easier:

http://cs.finescale.com/fsm/modeling_subjects/f/2/t/158668.aspx

On the bench:  

Tamiya F4U-1  Kenneth Walsh

 

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Posted by Theuns on Friday, December 5, 2014 8:19 AM

Yea please post pix when you can, I will update the front page :-)

Theuns

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Posted by blackdog62 on Thursday, December 4, 2014 9:53 PM

Ok just read the rules I was off I thought it was a yr long build. Finnish'd in just couldn't post pic.

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Posted by blackdog62 on Thursday, December 4, 2014 9:49 PM

I had no idea the GB was done I'm having problems posting pics just want my black and red with yellow and black on the Finnish'd wall.

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Posted by bvallot on Thursday, December 4, 2014 9:44 PM

I'm glad it's of some use to you blackdog.  After all, that's what this forum is about. My build has been finished for quite a while now actually. I'm not sure why I haven't posted the rest. If I had to guess, it'd be because time ran out on the deadline and I felt guilty about continuing to post.  I have a WIP thread in the aircraft section if you're interested in the rest of the steps on weathering.

Theuns: you're the man here. If you don't mind, I can post 2 or 3 pics of the final product and then update the front page.  You won't break my heart if you say no. ;)

On the bench:  

Tamiya F4U-1  Kenneth Walsh

 

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Posted by blackdog62 on Thursday, December 4, 2014 8:46 PM

Bvallot.   Thank you all that info on paint I research colours often I'll be looking into the ap also.

Builds looking good.

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Posted by Raymond G on Tuesday, August 19, 2014 11:49 PM

Thanks Josiah!   Like you, I had a very similar vision in mind, then I coupled it with the available pictures.  I do believe that there is one fleeting movie clip of Boyington's bird.  It appears that a P-40 with the number 21 located near the tail is buzzing the field.  I've only seen the clip a few times and it happens very fast, so you can't discern a lot of detail.  By the way, as much as I'd like to believe everything Gregg Boyington said in Baa Baa Black Sheep, I'd recommend taking everything with a grain of salt... especially the last three or four kills he claims as a Flying Tiger ;-)  "Show me a hero, and I'll show you a bum."  And he's always been my hero.........  Raymond

On the Bench:

U.S.S. Arizona (Revell)

P-51D Tribute (Revell)

57 Chevy Bel Air

 

 

 

 

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Posted by ygmodeler4 on Tuesday, August 19, 2014 10:06 PM

Stunning job Raymond! I just got done finishing the part in his book about his time in the AVG....the planes really did go through a lot and yours paints a great picture in correlation to what my mind was envisioning while reading the book.

-Josiah

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Posted by Raymond G on Monday, August 18, 2014 12:18 PM

Again, thanks for all the comments!  

Yeah Britt, I had actually picked up another kit to fix a screw up, like I said the kit's cheap enough, and I'm glad I did.  The extra flaps and I believe I used the rear wheel assembly as the "engine," and a few other extra pieces here and there, really  came in handy to fill in gaps.  

Thanks for the kind words on the paint.  I'm really impressed with how far I've come, and what I've learned, even on this one.  I made a few misake here and there, but I'll know next time, right?!?

As far as what's next on the bench???  I just don't know!!!!!!!  I do know that I'll build a diorama combining this P-40 and my F4U-1 as an homage to Gregg Boyington.  So look for that in a few weeks.  I'm giving serious consideration to a Nakajima Mert, and then, if it's good enough, donating it to the U.S.S. Lexington.  If it's not, I'll have it for my collection.  I'm also thinking about revisiting the P-51C Red Tail's "Gruesome Twosome" for my wife's class room at 1:48...  And I'm looking at a few others...  I'll probably make a decision by the end of the week.  I'm getting antsy already!  

Thanks again!  Raymond

On the Bench:

U.S.S. Arizona (Revell)

P-51D Tribute (Revell)

57 Chevy Bel Air

 

 

 

 

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Posted by bvallot on Monday, August 18, 2014 8:35 AM

Ray, I wanted to say great job again.  This is an old kit for sure, but it seems you dealt with it quite well.  I especially like you flap solution on the fly.  I had only discovered the huge hole there after I half assembled the fuselage to the wings. =[   I settled for what you saw before a few pages back.  But next time I would like to build this part up more accurately.

Your painting has definitely improved and it absolutely shows.  These colors look great. Your surface here describes the worn out, chalky appearance of the AVG.  I love it.  I like that you showed some attention to the Chinese insignia decals...a very often overlooked item in weathering. =]  Two thumbs up to you Ray!!

What's your next build?!

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Tamiya F4U-1  Kenneth Walsh

 

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Posted by Theuns on Sunday, August 17, 2014 11:46 PM

Love the 'old lady" Ray  :-)    Front page updated

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Posted by mississippivol on Sunday, August 17, 2014 7:10 PM

Nicely done, Ray!

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Posted by bvallot on Sunday, August 17, 2014 6:27 PM

I'm about to go crazy with all the things happening around the house right now, but I wanted to say real quick  how much I love your P-40 Ray.  This old girl came out great!! =]  Your perseverance has paid off.  I'll be back later to add to this, but for now... awesome! =D

Back later!

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Tamiya F4U-1  Kenneth Walsh

 

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Posted by Raymond G on Sunday, August 17, 2014 2:50 PM

Finally, I've been able to complete my take on Gregg Boyington's P-40 #21 that he flew with the AVG.  I was hoping to do an entire work in progress, but alas, someone decided to err, uhm... permanently borrow my old cell phone. May it blow up in their ear.  It actually worked out for me, but unfortunately most of my pictures of the P-40 didn't back-up for some reason.  So, I'll describe what I did the best I can, and give a play by play on the paint.

First, and I think buried deep within the group build page is a description and some pics, I started with Revel's P-40.  And I must say: What an absolute piece of crap!!!  I guess if you're just starting out it'd be an okay kit to practice on, but jeez...  We'll start by noting the famous "Revel 1964" that's stamped on the bottom.  Not a big deal, a little sanding takes care of that.  However, the cockpit is ALL WRONG in all kinds of ways.  So I went with the True Details Cockpit and seat.  Now, you have to do a little modification, but it's well worth it in the end.  

I don't much like this picture.  It's too pixilated, but you get the idea.

Also, if you want to place the flaps in the down position, there is a monstrously huge gap on the bottom of both wings.  They did not provide for anything above the flaps, so not only can you see the bottom of the top wing sections, but back into the wings as well.  I had actually cut and eased the cowl flaps out, again showing another huge gap.  I ended up picking up another kit, they're cheap enough, reversed the flaps and glued them into the top wing section above the flaps, and found a spare part to "act" as the bottom of the engine.  You really can't see the later, but it really cuts that blank space out.

Then lastly, there are no spars in the wheel wells, so I ended up stretching some sprue down and gluing them in place.  Ended up looking pretty good.  This is one of the step by steps I had on my phone,  so some dope head ought to be pretty good at it.... if they can keep their hand steady enough.  Pictures later on that one.

I will say that the kit, in and of itself, really went together pretty easy.  Like I said, it'd be a good beginner kit.  Or a good kit for someone like me who wants to learn to fix some pretty serious screw-ups.  So, after getting it together I got her taped, primed, and shaded...  all ready to be painted.

Then I mixed the initial base coat of brown paint.  Three parts Tamiya Yellow to one part Tamiya Red-Brown.  Looks pretty close. 

Then the fun part began.  This is the very first time I've ever done a camouflage pattern, I wasn't 100% sure about how to go about it, but had a pretty good idea so I went with it. 

Then I over sprayed the brown with Tamiya's standard Olive Drab (NOT Green), and again, I think it worked out pretty well.

 

Now, I did note some cut marks where I went a little deep with my knife when cutting through the tape.  I was a little discouraged at first, but sucked it up and worked the problem.  I turned my airbrush down a tad, took the nozzle off, and did some of the finest touch-up work I've done to date.  Then I patted myself on the back!

Next, I took a real deep breath, summoned every bit of guts I had, and started the weathering processes.  Why so worried?  It looked so very good!  My wife had even made the comment that she like this bird far more than any of the others because of the pattern!

On the bottom, which I had airbrushed with Tamiya's Flat White, I initially went over with the same yellow, red-brown that I already had loaded in my other airbrush.  Honestly, I couldn't have asked for a better contrast, and it was exactly what I was looking for. Also, note the spars in the wheel wells.  They made all the difference in the world, though I did find out there are only eight, not nine, after the fact.  Nine was my best guess at the time. 

Top side, I ever so lightly went back over the green with the same mixture of yellow, red-brown; as if the green had faded/worn through via wear and tear.  Then I went back and dry brushed some cockpit green, for primer bleed through, and Tamiya aluminum, for skin bleed though.  After that I went over the top with some 1,200 grain sandpaper, again lightly, to blend everything together.  This also had the added benefit of bleeding some of the brown though naturally...

Also, I spent quiet a bit of time doing rivet detail:

Here's the bottom finished up.  I did go back and did a light wash of Tamiya Smoke and Tamiya Flat Black (heavily diluted).  I wanted to try something new on the gun's smoke trails by taping them.  Won't be repeating that again.  I actually went back and fixed it, and you can't really tell except in very strong light, a.k.a. sunlight. 

Here's kind of a crummy picture of the cockpit.  I went, as I normally do, for a beat up old war bird.  It actually looks much better in person.  You can see the glass on the individual instruments, and chipped paint from wear and tear...

And here's a look at the finished project.  I chose not to go with the smaller number on the front.  Many, if not most, of the early AVG pictures don't seem to show them, and I left off Boyington's name.  It seems like it's about 50/50 on those.  I did go back and do a light wash with the Smoke and Flat Black, adding in the exhaust and gun smoke. Also, I took some 1,200 grain sand paper and laid the sharp end of my Exacto knife perpendicular with the decals and VERY gently wore through them, again indicating wear and tear usage. I know that there are better examples out there, but I'm stoke about this one.  For such a horrid model to work with, I learned A LOT and feel I've come a long way with this one.  

Top View:

 

Starboard View:

Port View:

I hope you enjoyed taking a look.  As always constructive criticism is welcome....  Thanks!  Raymond

 

 

 

 

 

On the Bench:

U.S.S. Arizona (Revell)

P-51D Tribute (Revell)

57 Chevy Bel Air

 

 

 

 

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Posted by bvallot on Wednesday, August 13, 2014 11:40 PM

Ditto Ray! =]

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Tamiya F4U-1  Kenneth Walsh

 

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Posted by mississippivol on Wednesday, August 13, 2014 10:05 PM

Raymond, looking forward to seeing it!

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Posted by ygmodeler4 on Wednesday, August 13, 2014 9:29 PM

Can't wait to see it Raymond

-Josiah

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Posted by Raymond G on Wednesday, August 13, 2014 9:18 PM

Finally finished about 15 minutes ago...  will post pictures tooomorrrooowwww...  Just tooooo tiiirrrreeedd ;-)  Been working on it all day, and I've gone cross eyed.

On the Bench:

U.S.S. Arizona (Revell)

P-51D Tribute (Revell)

57 Chevy Bel Air

 

 

 

 

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Posted by Raymond G on Monday, August 11, 2014 7:42 PM

Most excellent job Steve!!!  Looks great!

On the Bench:

U.S.S. Arizona (Revell)

P-51D Tribute (Revell)

57 Chevy Bel Air

 

 

 

 

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Posted by ygmodeler4 on Monday, August 11, 2014 10:24 AM

Some great looking P-40's indeed!

-Josiah

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Posted by mississippivol on Sunday, August 10, 2014 7:56 PM

Nice work!

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Posted by Rigidrider on Sunday, August 10, 2014 5:24 PM

Excellent Job Steve...on both, "Joanne" came out great!

Doug

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Make Lemonade!

Then Sell It Back At $2 Bucks A Glass...

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Posted by sanderson_91 on Sunday, August 10, 2014 10:31 AM

Thanks Theuns!  Had a great time in this GB!  There's some really nice models being done!

Steve

 

 

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Posted by Theuns on Saturday, August 9, 2014 1:45 PM

Hey Steve. looking very sharp mate, Thanx for taking part.

Collect yourself a badge if you like :-)

Front page updated.

Theuns

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Posted by sanderson_91 on Saturday, August 9, 2014 12:53 PM

So I think that I'm finally done with my P-40N.  Wrapped up the little bits yesterday, and got the photos taken and uploaded this morning.  To recap, this is the Eduard P-40N Profipak which is a nice kit if you can find it. Test fit was good but once I added the resin parts, there were some fit issues which I think were my fault and not the fault of the kit.  Here are some final photos:

Here are some photos of the P-40B that I had started before this GB began, but finished while it was underway.  This is the old Revell P-40B which started out as a test to scratchbuild the entire cockpit.  Once I got it done, I was really happy with it and decided to finish it up.  Here are some photos:

I had a lot of fun building both of these P-40's. 

Steve

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Posted by Raymond G on Saturday, August 9, 2014 2:36 AM

Looks good Britt.  I think I'm a little yellower than you are, and a little glosser.  That said, I went over it with some ultra-fine grit sandpaper to buff some "primer" into the mix after my pics, and it kocked a lot of the gloss down. Had the added effect of correcting a lot of my mistakes as well.  

I do have a question regarding the fading/chalking of the paint.  I've been thinking about taking Tamiya's base and over spraying down a light coat.  I learned, by accident, that this will create a chalkiness appearance.  Now, I don't know if this will hold once I hit it with a coat of dull coat, or not, but what do you think?  I may try it on an old F4U that I did, that's... well: I thought was good at the time, but I laugh at myself now...  so, if it screws it up, no harm, no foul.  

I'm off to see my Grandmother for her 95 birthday, then I'm going to see the Lady Lex on Monday.  I don't know if you've seen my new post, but they've started a perpetual scale model exhibit.  So, I'm going to first see that, and second see if I can get involved.  I've already got a build in mind.  Talk to you soon, Raymond.......

On the Bench:

U.S.S. Arizona (Revell)

P-51D Tribute (Revell)

57 Chevy Bel Air

 

 

 

 

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Posted by bvallot on Saturday, August 9, 2014 1:29 AM

Ray, you make a good point. Still, on my lap top that green looks pretty good. =]

Joe, I hear ya there.  And thanks. =]

Here's a quick repost from my WIP:

So I'll start off with the color. In an effort to tackle the color scheme, I'd been digging deep to find something true and accurate to what was used for the AVG.  

Curtiss Brown - DuPont 71-009:  The closest FS equivalent is said to be FS 30219, and sometimes called Sandy Earth, but from what I've found...Curtiss actually used two colors in their RAF P-40s: DuPont 71-009 for Temperate Land Scheme and 71-065 for Desert Scheme. DuPont 71-009 is known to fade quickly, becoming a lighter color and chalky when weathered. DuPont 71-065 is close to FS 30118 and apparently had more stable pigments and was closer to the RAF color. The 71-065 was used only on later P-40Es, and it's been mentioned that this paint could be a second attempt by DuPont to match RAF Dark Earth more accurately. 

Here is also a great chance to show everyone what I mentioned in an earlier post. The phone app I've used to premix these colors is called "iModelKit."  I first learned of it from dfllu78.  It has loads of color samples from any and everything you'll ever happen to need. Plenty of features that also allows you to mix a color to match what you need from a certain collection of paints.  Normally I don't really require the aid of something like this, but for this project it's probably saved me some money by not having to throw out mixed paint that won't suit my needs. =] 

I've started with a slightly yellower version of FS 30219.  That's gone down first.  I may use something simliar to the 3 color practice that I've seen lawdog outline before.  I meant to make use of some filters but seeing as I haven't made time to purchase them, I'll just being doing it all with paint.

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Here is a screen shot of the app I used.  It also shows the colors I used and the ratio they're mixed to.

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On the bench:  

Tamiya F4U-1  Kenneth Walsh

 

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