"Century series Jets" GB 2014-2015 * CLOSED *

flyerduke

Those fuel tanks look nice.  How'd you get those nice lines?

Craig

Thanks Craig. I used poster tack. I need to get some silly putty and try that.

Doug

Great amount of work there Doug..keep up the pace!!

Those fuel tanks look nice.  How'd you get those nice lines?

Craig

Okay all I am back. Things are better.

Got some painting done and need touch-ups.

Doug

That's why I wait until it's done running,   don't want to get blown up just when the next step is decals!!!  It's warm today about 38 F  this time last year is was between -20 and -40 F Burrrrrrr!

John

John, that could be a hazardous combo!

Must say I am blessed, here I spray in the garage with the door wide open, winter or summer. It only gets down to maybe a few deg's celcius below zero here in the winter.....I still hate it though, I am a summer boy :-)

Theuns

Theuns

Deadly fumes??/ Well I ain't dead yet  LOL.

You guys n the first world with all the "health and safety" are regulated to death.... here in Africa we see it only as a suggeston  ;-)

Theuns

Isn't that the truth, drives me nuts.   I paint inside during the winter up here in  frozen north America. I  Just try not clean the AB out with lacquer thinner when the furnace is running,,  (2 meters from my bench) 

John

Here we let "stupidity" weed out the weak.

I miss good old fasioned "common sence" ....it seems it has been taken away from us and we need to be told exactly what to do all the time.

Theuns

HA!!!! SOOO true, eh??? Yup, I need a full body suit, respirator and a friggin' fume extractor here!!! BUT, I'll die from other cancers cuz of our stupid processed food!!!

Deadly fumes??/ Well I ain't dead yet  LOL.

You guys n the first world with all the "health and safety" are regulated to death.... here in Africa we see it only as a suggeston  ;-)

Theuns

I WILL do a NMF with Alcad this year. My goal. I gotta get into this as the results are epic. I'm sure, too, that I will have some teething pains. Also, as I hear the fumes are deadly, I'll wait till I can do the painting outside.

Yep, this is my first NMF plane.  I didn't expect to win any competitions with it.  With that said, I do try to do the best I can.  Like you said, this is a learning experience.  I think it will look pretty cool when I'm done.   Thanks again for the advice.

Craig

Theuns

I know what you are talking about, here in SA the Alclad costs about $11 so I am also using it sparingly.

It is a pitty we do have hassles with it sometimes....but that is how we build experience ;-)

Theuns

I know what you are talking about, here in SA the Alclad costs about $11 so I am also using it sparingly.

It is a pitty we do have hassles with it sometimes....but that is how we build experience ;-)

Theuns

seasick -  The 104 looks sharp.  Well done.

Theuns - You are correct.  I should strip the plane down and start over.  Unfortunately, I've already used 2/3 of an oz. of the Alclad on the 107.  At $8.50 an ounce, I'm going to lightly sand it again for a second time and shoot one last coat of Alclad.  Hell, I've spent more on paint than the kit.  I do want it to turn out nice and I think it will.  It just won't have that mirror finish like your plane.  I will definitely heed your advice the next time I build a NMF plane.  Thanks.

Craig  

Photo update on the front page!! Great work everyone!!

I like it seasick...great job...AND as a Canadian..i love the RCAF theme..i'll post a pic later today..

Great work seasick.

CF-104 in 1/72 scale.

I scratchbuilt the ejectors for the Snakeye bombs:

Front view:

Doug,

We'll be waiting for you.  Hope all will be well with you and your family.

Scott

Hey all,

Sorry that I have not been on lately as we have had a death in the family and some other major things happening here. I will be back as soon as I can.

Doug

I sugest you sand smooth, re-do the gloss black and then only do the alclad. I have tried in the past to cover up mistakes with new alclad but it simply does not ide it. it keeps coming through.

Only option is to mask off the pannel and re-do it all.

Theuns

Thanks Theuns.  I don't think I had a good black gloss coat down.  Also, I think I sprayed too much Alclad on too quickly.  I do have the micro mesh pads.  I will use the pads to smooth the finish out and slowly add more coats of Alclad.

No, do not thin the alclad, I use it as is and it works great . I shoot at between 12-15 psi and 1-2 " from model. I keep the A B at a low angle to the model to have a wider spray fan and get les streaking that way.

The trick for me is the glaoo black enamel base. Then build up the alclad in very thinb coats with 15min to flash off between coats.

Do not put lots of alclad on at a time , it will eat the plastic , even with other paints on it.

The first few coats looks like it is not doing anything, then only does it start to become lighter....

Tip is to go easy with it.

The more you put on the lighter it gets. I will shoot 2-4 coats to get a dark allu look, mask off pannels then shoot 3 more coats to get lighter pannels.

The tone difference looks good without using different alclads.

Invest in a set of micromesh sanding pads, they are crytical to getting a smooth surface. I use the 12000 to pollish the black before alclad.

Gloss black with 2 coats airframe allu....

SOme pannels masked off...

The result....

About your question on putting acrylic over enamal, not a good mix. You would certainly be able to scratch off the acrylic as it would be brittle. The other way around would work, though.

Thanks for the input guys.  I'll light sand the plane with some very fine paper then re-paint.  I didn't thin the Alclad (101) at all when I sprayed it.  Should I have?

Craig

Do yourself a favour and chuck the alclad "gloss black" it simply does not do what it is suppose to.

I have tried on a few models and the results are about the same as yours.

I now use only gloss black enamel like Tamiya (quite tinned) as my gloss black base.

Even with Alclad airframe allu you get a mirrior finish with the namel.

To fix your hassle now I would sand it with something like a micro mesh 3000 or similar and then go for enamel.

Theuns

Craig,

What was your ratio on the ACLAD?  Looks like it went on too dry.  This happened with a B-26 I built and my thinner was too heavy and dried the paint before it hit the surface of the model giving it a grainy feel.   ACLAD does buff well, but depending on how think you coat is, maybe a light wet sanding with 800 grit and then a coat of clear might give your a good finish without repaint.

Looking good on the F107.  i know what its like to run out of paint and cannot get anymore for awhile since I live from hell to highwater from any hobbyshop that carries any paint.

Great progress on the F105 Doug.

Well, it must have been a good weekend to prime, since I got a coat on the F101 and was surprised to find I hardly need to do any more surface work.  I couldn't believe my eyes, just a small crack on the right intake and needed to buildup and putty a little around the windscreen.  I guess all that trim, cut, test fit, and sand before glue paid off. 

I found a bottle of MM gloss black, so I laid down another coat last night.  I decided to shoot the Alclad aluminum this morning.  I'm not real happy with the results.  It's a little grainy.  Can anyone figure out what I'm doing wrong?  My AB was set for 12 psi and I sprayed about 3-4 inches from the model.  I sprayed on three coats.  Was my gloss black coat not smooth enough?  Can I buff out the grainy finish?  Thanks.

Craig

Moving along nicely Doug.  Looks good.

I found a few minutes today to work on the 107.  I shot the primer early this morning.  I used Alclad II primer (ALC 302).  This stuff goes on really thin.  I hit it with three coats and still didn't completely cover the white Tamiya filler I used.  Then this evening, I shot the plane with regular Testers gloss back.  Unfortunately, I ran out after the second coat.  It may be a few days before I get a chance to get into town to get some more.

Question - Can I use an acrylic gloss back over and enamel gloss black?  If not, I may be waiting longer.  Thanks

Craig