New GB

modelcrazy

Just got word from Boeing regarding using their logo. I wanted to use the old totem pole logo, but alas, I don't  have permission to use ANY of their logos. I'll come up with something.

That's a real shame.

modelcrazy

Just got word from Boeing regarding using their logo. I wanted to use the old totem pole logo, but alas, I don't  have permission to use ANY of their logos. I'll come up with something.

Unfortunately, MC, that does not surprise me.

Plenty of time to come up with something better

Just got word from Boeing regarding using their logo. I wanted to use the old totem pole logo, but alas, I don't  have permission to use ANY of their logos. I'll come up with something.

O and make sure you give members enough time to complete their builds and state whether they must finish 1 or 2 subjects! They are usually 6 months to a year (usually)

I have only been on this site for a month or so and have a group build of my own! Just make it a topic that will attract members and keep tabs on updates and such. I just started my GB and have 5+ members.

Just remember its love of the hobby over anything!!! check my SIG; you should join ;) it is anything ground attack related, any era, any country, even helicopters lol! Join the party!

I wonder if anyone will make some AM decals for the PT-17 Revell just put out. I would be interested in doing one of those to get some bi-plane experience so I don't butcher my Roden Gladiator when I get around to it.

Ok,

So far I have checkmate, hogfanfs, greentracker and waynec. Sounds good so far.

Steve

mid 2015. i'm in.

modelcrazy

Oh my gosh that's a great explanation Bish, Thank you for the link.

I believe I will host a build next year, after I check the end dates of existing GB's, test the waters (it looks like hogfanfs and checkmaking02 are in), and join a few GB's to get the feel.

Right now I would be looking at June 15 2015 to celebrate the first flight of Boeing's first Model 1 B&W seaplane.

So, what do the rest of you think? A Boing Build mid 2015?

It would include:

Any Boeing built design, military or civilian, any era.

OOB and AM ok, I'll think about crossovers.

Any joint Boeing AC, such as hogfanfs F/A 18,

Let me know while I do my homework.

Steve

Sounds pretty good to me Steve

I'll commit to this one.

modelcrazy

Bish,

If I take offence to any suggestions, comments, constructive criticism, or corrections, I may as well leave this forum and lock myself in the house and not come out. The world does not need another self centered, thin skinned person. So no I didn't take offence, and I appreciate greatly any and all suggestions, comments, constructive criticism or corrections. That's how we grow an learn.

Thank you for showing an interest in my postings.

Steve

That's good to hear. Its hard to know what you can say to people until you get to know them. Most of us here are here to help others what ever it is with. Its not a competition where we are all looking to get one over on each other.

We do like to have a few giggles along the way and a little bit of leg pulling. though I do get upset at times when wayne keeps pointing out how many GB's I am in

As to the duration of the GB, my own view is that its better to make it sure and extended it a bit than have it to long and it just fades away in a slow death. So 6 to 8 months would be a good start. Just keep in mind the sort of kits people will be building and how long they may take. I wouldn't worry about this thread being a long lead in. It may well get less busy but people will keep it in the back of their minds until the actual build thread starts.

waynec

Bish

If you do want to run this GB, might I suggest looking at what other GB's are currently running, we have close to 30 at the moment, and consider if there is room for it currently or if maybe it could be fitted in in the future. You might want to start a feeler thread in which you can put the general rules, start and finish dates and so on. then you can see if there is enough interest. Some subjects are more popular than others.

and BISH is probably in 20 of them.

Don't be silly.

25....... I think

Some good advice in the post above. There plenty of ways to run things, if the GB is going along nicely, then indeed you don't need to comment on every post.

As for the badge, the host can stat that badges can't be added to your signature until, the build is completed. Again, that's up to the host.

That sounds great. I would enjoy watching a missile build. If a kit of the ISS was available, that would be wonderful. I have ideas for future builds such as "Man In Space" (which would include Si Fi) and "Seaplanes"

modelcrazy

Yes, Boeing does build more than targets. They also build missiles, satellites and combat systems. Basically the things to shoot down or help shoot down those targets.

did some research. i could look for an old BOMARC missile kit.  i may have to swap one of my BLACKHAWKs for an APACHE. BOEING makes the PATRIOT SAM and i know a 1/72 is coming out this fall so that's a possibility. also they make the AVENGER light SAM system and i have a 1/35 on a HUMVEE and on an LAV so plenty of none aeroplane possibilities. and all 3 are warwheels.

oh and the INTERNATIONAL SPACE STATION.

Rob,

I understand perfectly what your saying. This is one reason I'm still testing the water and starting the build 10 months from now. This should give time for members to get to know me and my builds.

I have so far joined 4 GB's and have no intention of leaving. I'm not one who just wants a badge, I really enjoy the hobby, and being a member of a community who understands me and my hobby.

As far as maybe just wanting to build a new model I just acquired. I have been building for 50 years, mostly models that no one ever saw. Right now I have 35 models at my bench that need building. This includes armor, aircraft, ships, cars, rockets,artillery and wooden ships.

Since I brought up this GB so early, the build will probably only be 6 months long. I wouldn't drag it out. I also love reading all the posts and reading everyone's thoughts and ideas.

the only way I won't be around is if something unexpected happens to me.

Steve

Yes, Boeing does build more than targets. They also build missiles, satellites and combat systems. Basically the things to shoot down or help shoot down those targets.

Bish

If you do want to run this GB, might I suggest looking at what other GB's are currently running, we have close to 30 at the moment, and consider if there is room for it currently or if maybe it could be fitted in in the future. You might want to start a feeler thread in which you can put the general rules, start and finish dates and so on. then you can see if there is enough interest. Some subjects are more popular than others.

and BISH is probably in 20 of them.

modelcrazy

I certainty don't have any objections to hosting one, in fact I think that would be a kick. I'm just am not sure how to, come up with a patch, keep everything organized, keep everybody straight....etc.

Do you get a patch when you start a build, or when your finished?

Who monitors all the participants to see if they need encouragement, or is it a free for all once it's started?

I'm sure everyone here loves this hobby and, like me, wants to build EVERYTHING. So I guess you just let it run itself once it starts, or is there more participation from the host?

I'm a very quick learner, and I'm taking notes.

Steve

you have the final say on the patch. i have done a few for other folks. sometimes i will get specific suggestions and pics, other times just s "WHATEVER YOU THINK WILL WORK." my badge building philosophy is do something that stands out but fits such as different shapes OR lots of color OR plain and gray.

some folks add a patch when they start, many wait until they finish.

i've been fortunate with my 2 that i have participants encouraging others so i don't feel i have to comment on every post. may be right may not.

once it;s up and running really all you do is monitor and post the finished pics. the roster doesn't have to be as fancy as mine with all those pics. i just wanted to try it and guys sent me the kit box pics and i do graphics arts for a living so it doesn't take me much time.

did BOEING build things other than planes? i consider planes targets though i do have a couple of CHINA CLIPPERs in my stash.

You've already got a lot of good advice regarding group builds. One thing I would highlight is the "street cred" aspect. This site is well known for what I term "drive by posters". These are new members who have just discovered the site, post a lot of questions and comments and then vanish within a couple of weeks, never to return.

When a "Drive By-er" decides to start a group build, it often vanishes with him unless it is a popular subject and a true regular member picks up the reins and sees it to completion. Because of the tendency of new members to vanish, many people may be hesitant to join because they don't know if you'll be here when it is scheduled to begin.

Another phenomenon about group builds is that the GB thread will stretch for pages and pages (usually over 300 posts) long before it ever begins. There are people who are turned off by umpteen pages of discussion before you ever get to see anyone put glue to plastic.

New members often show up with a new kit they just bought. They found this site after they bought the kit and Googled the web for some information on it. They'll reply to some 5 year old post as if it was posted earlier that day. Then they want to put a snazzy group build badge in their signature like everyone else. So they'll start a group build with a subject that includes their new kit, even though there are several group builds scheduled or already running that they could join that their kit could fit in with. They want the badge and they want it now. I rarely see those GB get off the ground nor do we see their new kit built.

Personally, I tend to not join GB until they've begun and people have started posting and I've yet to bother with a GB badge.

Bish,

If I take offence to any suggestions, comments, constructive criticism, or corrections, I may as well leave this forum and lock myself in the house and not come out. The world does not need another self centered, thin skinned person. So no I didn't take offence, and I appreciate greatly any and all suggestions, comments, constructive criticism or corrections. That's how we grow an learn.

Thank you for showing an interest in my postings.

Steve

I didn't until I looked into it after seeing your post about Douglas. It seems in a number of industry's everything is getting controlled by one or two large companies who have swallowed up all the others.

Sometimes it gets to the point where your afraid to open your mouth in case you say a word some one has the copyright to.

Thanks, Bish.  I didn't know Boeing was acquiring so many other well-known aircraft manufacturers.

As for copyrights and logos, it seems folks have become very proprietary about them.  Read recently about a legal altercation between Duke University and the John Wayne estate, over the commercial rights for the word:  "Duke."

checkmateking02

Yup, I'd commit to a Boeing build in 2015.  I have one Airfix 1/72 Fortress left and several Hasegawa's.  Not sure which one I'd contribute.

Does Boeing have a logo you could use for the badge?  Or is that under copyright and verbotten?  I recently picked up Hasegawa's SBD Dauntless, and the package is marked "Produced under license from Boeing Intellectual Property Licensing Company.  SBD and Douglas are among the trademarks owned by Boeing."

I didn't know Boeing even had anything to do with Douglas!  

From what I have been able to find, Douglas merged with Boeing in 1997, the year after Boeing bought N American. So I guess they now own the rights to those companies aircraft.

Steve, glad you found that link useful and that also the comments have not caused offense. It can be all to easy for people to take these sort of things the right way and throw their teddy out the window.

I like the idea of a company orientated GB. I had thought about doing a German one before but the timing has not been right. Like many here I am also interested in the history behind the builds and I like the idea of GB's run dates having some link to the subject.

Your June start date is a great idea as hopefully by then we will have a few less GB's and it give you plenty of time to get a feel for it. I would suggest looking at some of the GB's and seeing the different ways in which they are laid out. I like to have the first post for the rules etc and a second for the roster and completed builds. Other do this all in one post. Some people will put the completed pics after the roster others will put them within the roster and so on. Just see which you like the best and which you think will be easier for you to organise.

Once the GB has started, its important to keep on top of it and try and post regularly yourself. If it goes quiet for a while, just stick with it.

If you plan on doing a feeler, I would suggest about 2 or 3 months before your start date. So that would be the start of March or April in this case. You can iron out the rules, deal with any confusion, with a subject like this you might well get questions about whether certain subjects are aloud.

For example, Boeing now own McDonnell Douglas and N American. So would aircraft built by these companies before the acquisition be included. I think a build like this is not as straight forward as something like an Fw 190 build for example, so may need some thinking about.

Also you can get your badge sorted, if you are not sure how to do one, someone else will be able to help. Then I would plan on starting the GB build thread one month before your start date.

I will defiantly be in on this one. I have a couple of B-17's including an RAF Fort I I would like to build.

CheckMate, I used the Junkers company logo for the Stuka GB badge, and didn't have a problem, but as the company is now defunct, I am not sure if that would make a difference. I like the idea of using the Boeing logo, but it might be worth Steve just checking with Tim or Aaron first.

modelcrazy (Steve?),

Here's a list of most of the currently running group builds (some ended, some started).  There are about 30+.

http://cs.finescale.com/fsm/modeling_subjects/f/29/t/161212.aspx

Bish gives good advice, and I agree (though he has not said it quite this way).  Before running a GB, try signing up for some and try them out.  Show some of your work.  Post some "Work in Progress" threads on a build you're doing.  Build up a reputation and credentials.

I've been here over 2 years and have not run a group build.  Don't be fooled, it's a lot of work.  There are excellent modelers on this forum who have never run a group build, but their WIP and Completed threads are great!  I always think that if I want to build something, there are plenty of group builds I can fit something into.  If I can support a current GB instead of starting a new one, I think the host will appreciate the participation.

OTOH, the Boeing GB sounds interesting.  Could be good cross-over between the civilian and the military aspects of aviation.  Wonder if Don would be interested? 

Gary

Good detective work!

Yes it did. I have bee to Boeing's Museum of Flight several times and took this picture.

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Each plane, at least the older ones, had one.

So am I.  If I remember right, the B-17 had a Boeing logo in the center of the control wheel.  Sharp-looking.

That is a good point. As you saw, there are copious amounts of logos from old to new. I have plenty of time to check copyrights.

<p>I'm kind of partial to the older ones.

<p>Steve