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2015 Messerschmitt Bf 109 Group Build

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Posted by mustang1989 on Wednesday, January 21, 2015 7:13 AM

Brandon:That looks good so far. DoogsATX knows his stuff and used to frequent this forum a lot.

Mike:Man I can hardly wait to see paint on that thing. Yes

John:Getting to the meat and potatoes of the painting session now. Good stuff! (I spend a lot of time with the optivisor on myself and sometimes I don't think that's a good thing! lol)

                   

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Posted by falconmod on Wednesday, January 21, 2015 6:54 AM

Rigidrider and Mustang1989-  Thanks for the comments,  not really sure why I started gravitating to 1/72 but they seem to be kinda fun.  I also spend alot of time with optivisor on!

Here's what i got done last night.  now I just have some mottling to do to blend the fuselage colors in.

John

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Posted by Thunderbolt379 on Wednesday, January 21, 2015 1:19 AM

Great work, Brandon, this Buchon seems to have been less of a headache than the one built on the forums several years ago. Looking forward to seeing it finished!

Here's my -D this evening. Next step is an overall wash, mask the locators for the pitot and mass balances, mask the gear bays and prop shaft/backplate, and she's ready for the paint shop.

M/TB379

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Posted by BrandonD on Tuesday, January 20, 2015 11:25 PM

I've been working on my Buchon, and after much hemming and hawing, have decided to go with the natural metal finish instead of the blue overall. Mainly, I'm doing this to practice using AlcladII since that's what I intend to use on my P-51 and want to get a feel for it, but it's also a great opportunity to do a NMF 109 variant.

I went to prime with Humbrol acrylic grey primer, and it was a disaster. I thinned it with Tamiya thinner, and it didn't like that at all. Half of it sprayed fine, then the other half flowed like water. I washed it all off, then decided to forgo priming for the bottom, which will be light blue. I sprayed a black base, and I will be using the "black basing" method that DoogsATX recommends on his site.

Here it is as it sits - the streaks are because I wasn't patient enough to ensure the thing was fully dry before spraying it, but that won't affect the colors (which I won't paint until it actually is dry).

After this, it's on to the Alclad black base up top, then the NMF.

It's missing its rear wings at the moment, but I am not putting them on until after I finish painting the rudder, which is a black X on a white field. The kit has decals for this, but I prefer painting if at all possible, and masking/painting it with the rear wings on seems like a pain, so I will affix them before the NMF goes down.

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Posted by Thunderbolt379 on Tuesday, January 20, 2015 8:34 PM

Thanks Greg and Mustang! Greg, it's actually almost the opposite of patience, it would have taken weeks for an Eduard set to arrive and I didn't fancy the extra cost, so went for it with the available materials -- that said, I can only do a panel or two at a time, then concentrate on something else for a bit... Mustang, the commercial mask sets suggest liquid masking in the open areas but I've had some bad experiences with rubber incompletely covering, so now I try to block in all areas with tape as far as possible.

I'm looking forward to completing this one in the not too distant future, and in a few weeks the masks should be in for the E-4 and G-2 as well.

Cheers, M/TB379

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Posted by mustang1989 on Tuesday, January 20, 2015 8:28 PM

John:There aint no way I'd ever do 72nd scale dude. I've gotta say I'm with Doug on that because 1.) My eyes just couldn't take it , hek they barely do now with 48th scale stuff! And 2.) I have alot of patience but 72nd scale would be pushing those boundaries. Great job so far on that build. I just don't know how you guys do it! 

Jay:Dang dude! Hammer down!!!!  That is a superbly applied color scheme and the decals just make it sing reeel purdy!! Nice Job bubba! 

Mike:That mask job looks great so far. Looks like you took your time with it.

                   

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Posted by Greg on Tuesday, January 20, 2015 7:32 PM

Jay, that is just the coolest-looking camo scheme. You are really doing well with it and the decals surely dress it up.

Mike, nice, neat manual mask job. You are obviously a patient man.

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Posted by Thunderbolt379 on Tuesday, January 20, 2015 7:27 PM

Absolutely superb work, Jay! It looks wonderful! (I must give these Montex masks a try!)

My own humble efforts over the last couple of days have been to get the canopy masked from scratch, here's the process started, fully outlined and filled in plus masking solution where needed:

 

The enlargements show a few spots where more fluid work is needed.

The decals I ordered arrived yesterday, here's the Print-Scale -D sheet and the Eduard -E stencils:

The idea was to compare the -D and -E stencils and it turns out they are virtually identical, quite close enough to get by, so while I'll work through the Print-Scale set in due course to develop a lineup of -Ds, I'll use the Eduard -E stencils in conjunction with the Aeromaster sheet I had originally intended to use but which came without stencils:

I just drilled out the wing guns, and the antenna post hole is drilled into the canopy. My next job is to repair the gunsight glass, then I can mount the canopy. It's a fraction narrow but doesn't fit too badly. From that point, masking the prop shaft and gear bays will put her into the paint shop.

Cheers,

M/TB379

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Posted by Tucohoward on Tuesday, January 20, 2015 6:32 PM

Main decals on. One of the "1's" came apart so had to use a Montex mask to do that. I will let you guess which side. The rest of the decals are Montex and Aeromaster. Tried one of the kit decals for a fuselage cross and it came apart so I immediately moved on.

Jay

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Posted by Rigidrider on Tuesday, January 20, 2015 4:14 PM

John (Falconmod) Man... That looks so small  in your hand! LOL... There is no way I could ever do one that small ever again. I did do a 72nd JU88 recently, but even in 72nd it was (to me) near 48th scale being it was such a big birdie. I really do admire and appreciate a nicely done 72nd.... but I cant do them any more! LOL...

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Posted by Rigidrider on Tuesday, January 20, 2015 4:08 PM

I'm sorry Greg, I forgot to address that. Yes it at the time was a #2 needle and nozzle. I really wanted to get it down a tad finer but the finer I got the more it would spit and sputter, raising the air pressure made it worse at the time due to it blowing the paint back into the cup. And lowering the pressure caused it to not atomize properly, so alas... I take what I can get at the time. Really, I've found for most all around work the #3 set up is just right.

Greg it would be great to get together air brush in hand, and I think you would be able to show me a thing or two. You do a pretty nice job with your paint work! Well Take care and we'll chat more soon I'm sure... always a pleasure!

Doug

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Posted by Greg on Tuesday, January 20, 2015 12:56 PM

Thanks for all the info, Doug.

I was assuming you didn't use acrylic on the lines, and had forgotten you use Acrylics almost exclusively. Embarrassed

Looks like your a/b has a .2mm nozzle, said info also very helpful. I'm surprised about the relatively high pressure that close.

I say again, can I come over sometime for airbrush lessons? Geeked

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Posted by Rigidrider on Tuesday, January 20, 2015 12:10 PM

Thanks Greg... the air brush I use is the Royal Max 140, sold (at least this one) by TCP global, they are IMHO one of the premier paint and supply companys in the country, they sell every thing from stock auto paints to the wildest custom paints on the market. They sell several other lines like Paasche and Iwata,  along with compressors and about anything else you could need.

Yes the "mapping" was done in one pass and like I've said before,  you need to plan out your moves and move with a purpose!  LOL...this time I was using Model Master paint and left it just a tad thicker then I usually might when doing something like this (about 60% thinner to 40% paint) I also cranked up the pressure to about 35psi and got up close (about 1/4 in) and personal and already had the pass planned.

Oh, and I almost exclusively use acrylics. So yes sir I hope that helps and answers some of your questions. Oh, and sometomes a second pass is required to touch up weak areas.

Take care Greg, good to hear from you.

Doug

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Posted by Greg on Tuesday, January 20, 2015 10:39 AM

Jay, that scheme is really coming together nicely. I'd never seen or heard of a scheme like that, different on the two sides. You appear to be doing a first rate job on it.

John, progressing nicely there my friend. Those loop antennae always seem to present a problem of some sort for me, and never for the same reason. :)

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Posted by Greg on Tuesday, January 20, 2015 10:28 AM

Rigidrider

... Greg so far so good, but I've a ways to go yet and I'm starting to get bad vibes from the Airbrush... I'm starting to get some blow back into the reservoir and when that happens you usually get a sputter paint. I'll have to tear it apart and investigate the cause.

Methinks your a/b will need to be in top-notch order to pull that scheme off Doug, so good your are thinking ahead, as per usual, mate.

Remind me which airbrush you are using, Doug? (and needle size, if it is interchangeable. I'm amazed by your 'roadmap'. That was freehand, right? Assuming each of those lines were done in a single pass, I'd have expected more overspray from that relatively wide spray pattern. Looks amazing.

Oh, and what paint are you shooting again?

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Posted by VanceCrozier on Tuesday, January 20, 2015 9:25 AM

Tucohoward

Thanks, fellows. I do use masks for the wings typically. I cut them from scrap paper and keep them just off the surface so there is a somewhat soft line. Had some issues with the white, but I think I've got something I can work with. This scheme is for Max-Helmuth Ostermann.

Jay

Very interesting scheme - glad to see you've done it "properly" with the over-spray rather than just painting it white, much better results that way.

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Posted by falconmod on Tuesday, January 20, 2015 8:59 AM

I started painting last night.  I got the white tips and fuselage band on and the 76 painted on the sides and bottom.  I also managed to break off the loop antenna on the spine too, got it glued back on though.

John

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Posted by Tucohoward on Monday, January 19, 2015 8:25 PM

Doug, looking good so far. I like it a lot.

Jay

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Posted by IamRaider on Monday, January 19, 2015 7:15 PM

Metal it is then. Thanks Mustang and Nathan Beer

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Posted by Rigidrider on Monday, January 19, 2015 6:13 PM

 Tried to post pictures and Internet Exploder decides to F up...

I now have the 74 applied to form the splinter...

And the road mapping is done, in 75...

Like Jay does, I also like to cut my patterns out of a flimsy cardboard, kinda like  index cards or something similar, and hold slightly off the surface to give a softer edge. Nursing the AB along, but ordered a kit already, should be here within a few days. The order taker at the shop wanted to argue in a way, said it was likely due to lacquer use. No... When I ordered Gun I made sure I could shoot whatever, being I do a  helmet or two and tanks and such. I've shot urethane through it without any problem. The guy emailed later to tell me that they did sell that type kit and that it was on the way... Any way, Take care brothers, and thanks for the comments!

Doug

 

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Posted by Nathan T on Monday, January 19, 2015 6:13 PM

IamRaider

I'm finally getting a chance to get started on my Hobbycraft G-2. I'm looking through the build instructions (which aren't the greatest). I have a question since I'm not familiar with the 109. The kit comes with both glass and metal head armor for the canopy. Through what I can find out metal armor is correct for the G-2. Am I correct?

yes, metal. 

 

 

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Posted by Rigidrider on Monday, January 19, 2015 5:49 PM

Thanks Guys... Greg so far so good, but I've a ways to go yet and I'm starting to get bad vibes from the Airbrush... I'm starting to get some blow back into the reservoir and when that happens you usually get a sputter paint. I'll have to tear it apart and investigate the cause.

Hey Tom, No this kit wont be bomb laden, I forget the exact # but I read in one of my books that at least 20% (I think) of all fighter aircraft were ordered to be Fighter bombers not just fighters, at this point 2/Jg54 were all fighters.

Jay, Thank you also, the scheme has always intrigued me as being the coolest camo schemes they employed. As I said above I'm starting to get a bad feeling about my AB and think I might better call and get a repair kit on the way. I've been using this AB for about 5 yrs now (replacing my faithful Paasche ) and it has performed flawlessly with the ability to do a damn near pencil line with the no2 needle, up to about 2.5in with a #5 needle Now I'm having trouble doing a 1/8th line. By the by... LOVE the way your mottling is coming out!

Doug

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Posted by mustang1989 on Monday, January 19, 2015 4:00 PM

Doug:Man ..................2:30 am? You're as bad as me! Your crate is looking great and I looove that "crazy road map" camo scheme!!! Wow!!!

Jay:You're nailin' it dead on with that mottle pattern!!!! Great paint and camo work!!

Iamraieder:Looking forward to the G-2! I'm thinking just metal for that early of a G but there are plenty of folks around here who'll know for sure. I'll do some research when I get home and help you out in case somebody else doesn't beat me to the punch.

                   

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Posted by IamRaider on Monday, January 19, 2015 3:02 PM

I'm finally getting a chance to get started on my Hobbycraft G-2. I'm looking through the build instructions (which aren't the greatest). I have a question since I'm not familiar with the 109. The kit comes with both glass and metal head armor for the canopy. Through what I can find out metal armor is correct for the G-2. Am I correct?

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Posted by Greg on Monday, January 19, 2015 1:52 PM

I hear that. I stopped early work on a Mig a year or two ago to start a GB, haven't looked at it since.

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Posted by Bish on Monday, January 19, 2015 1:37 PM

panzerpilot

Greg

panzerpilot

.........I suppose the key would be organization.

If that's the case, I am in deep trouble, Tom. Surprise

Doug, that looks like an ambitious scheme. Looking fwd to watching you pull it off.

I hear ya! It would require a whole bunch of butter containers (for the parts) ! I have a hard enough time keeping things together enough to do one kit at a time! Cool

Nice scheme, Doug. Does the kit include a bomb or are you going AM?

I have tried building more than one kit at a tie but I just can't do it. I find it actually slow me down. If I was building a couple of kits in a row that had the same colours it might speed things up, but its not often I do that. I find I end up just concentrating on one build and the others just get a little attention here and there.

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Posted by Tucohoward on Monday, January 19, 2015 1:27 PM

Rigidrider

Hey Bish... What I'm going to try is what they called "crazy roadmap" camo. This will be a bird from the Balkan Campaign of 1941. She (yellow 4) was part of II/staffel-Jg54. I tried to find a pilot but with my limited library I was un able to put one with her.

This picture was of a 4/staffel unit and mine will have yellow nose, tail fin, and accents on the under wind tips.

Doug 

Doug, I have always like that scheme, but have never attempted it. Looking forward to see how you do it.

Jay

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Posted by panzerpilot on Monday, January 19, 2015 1:09 PM

Greg

panzerpilot

.........I suppose the key would be organization.

If that's the case, I am in deep trouble, Tom. Surprise

Doug, that looks like an ambitious scheme. Looking fwd to watching you pull it off.

I hear ya! It would require a whole bunch of butter containers (for the parts) ! I have a hard enough time keeping things together enough to do one kit at a time! Cool

Nice scheme, Doug. Does the kit include a bomb or are you going AM?

-Tom

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Posted by Bish on Monday, January 19, 2015 12:02 PM

Rigidrider

Hey Bish... What I'm going to try is what they called "crazy roadmap" camo. This will be a bird from the Balkan Campaign of 1941. She (yellow 4) was part of II/staffel-Jg54. I tried to find a pilot but with my limited library I was un able to put one with her.

This picture was of a 4/staffel unit and mine will have yellow nose, tail fin, and accents on the under wind tips.

Doug 

Now that's nice, not seen that scheme before.

I am a Norfolk man and i glory in being so

 

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Posted by Greg on Monday, January 19, 2015 10:56 AM

panzerpilot

.........I suppose the key would be organization.

If that's the case, I am in deep trouble, Tom. Surprise

Doug, that looks like an ambitious scheme. Looking fwd to watching you pull it off.

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