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Avus

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June 2003
From: Caput Mundi

Posted by Avus on Saturday, May 8, 2004 1:22 AM

Thanks guys for choosing my logo. Bow [bow]

BTW does this mean you can see the logo next to the military smilie? 'Cause I can't see it, I get the red X!

Here are some updates of my progress (not much):
http://www.freeimagesolutions.com/ims/album_folder.php?u_id=67374vKC&f_id=739
I've added pics of the wings. "Before" and "after" means before and after using putty to fill the gaps.

Klaus

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Anonymous

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November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Friday, May 7, 2004 9:00 PM

I'm in for using Avus' logo

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knight667

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January 2004
From: Philomath, OR, USA

Posted by knight667 on Friday, May 7, 2004 11:06 AM

QUOTE: Originally posted by t3488g

as for the gb logo, lets use avus'.

I agree, that one looks great!

John "The only easy day was yesterday." - US Navy SEALs "Improvise. Adapt. Overcome." - US Marine Corp. "I live each day/Like it's my last/...I never look back" - from "I'm A Rocker" by Judas Priest

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Anonymous

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November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Friday, May 7, 2004 9:19 AM

hummmm...........we need to set a cut off date, but we don't have one yet so yuo can join luke. as for the gb logo, lets use avus'.

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luke

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December 2002
From: -

Posted by luke on Thursday, May 6, 2004 8:07 PM

I hope that I can sign up as well. I got Monogram 1/48 classic kit already built - but I finished it like 10yrs ago when I was 12! A couple yrs back I dismantled it and stripped some paint. I originally painted it with just brown Soviet camo using no 'sand' colour paint cos the molded plastic was that colour anyway (and when I was young that helo was pretty big). I've been meaning to do it up for years and this Grp Bld sounds like the best thing to get me going again!

So in a sense I'm "re-building" and "not building" in this Group Build. Big Smile [:D]

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knight667

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January 2004
From: Philomath, OR, USA

Posted by knight667 on Thursday, May 6, 2004 11:59 AM

Excellent, I've ordered my Hind (the 1/48 Revell of Germany kit); should be end of next week and I'll jump right on it.

Question for you guys on color scheme: I was considering using Model Master 2123 "Underside Blue" for the belly and "Earth Brown" (2124) and "Topside Green" (2122) for the camo scheme. All of these are supposed to be "authentic" Russian/Soviet colors. From pictures I've found of actual choppers, these seem pretty accurate.

John "The only easy day was yesterday." - US Navy SEALs "Improvise. Adapt. Overcome." - US Marine Corp. "I live each day/Like it's my last/...I never look back" - from "I'm A Rocker" by Judas Priest

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Avus

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June 2003
From: Caput Mundi

Posted by Avus on Wednesday, May 5, 2004 11:08 AM

I thank you t3488g, but maybe there has been a misunderstanding: the link I posted today is not of my work, but that of a guy named Jon H. Ruehle, who is doing a review for the Aircraft Resource Center.

Shouldn't we set an end date for our group build?

I got a new webspace and tested if I can remote link to images. If you can see the Hind GB logo I designed then it works.
BTW we didn't vote on the logo, yet. All the other group builds have one, why don't we?

Klaus

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Anonymous

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November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, May 5, 2004 9:14 AM

Sure you can join knight667, and welcome to the forum.
Avus very good job. mine sucks, it really does.............. i will finish mine when i get the hind a that comes with the pilots. i am going to go to my lhs soon, hope i don't run out of money Wink [;)]

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Anonymous

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November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, May 5, 2004 5:39 AM

The plans in the 4+ book show the twist to good effect. It starts behind the pilot's cockpit., with the starboard side of the fuselage being vertical, whilst the port side slopes. With the engine and troop doors open, the lack of twist should be less obvious. If I was totally nuts I could saw through the fuselage and reposition it, but that ain't going to happen!
Cheers
Andy

QUOTE: Originally posted by Higg

Andy,
You're on crack if you put a twist in it. After I responded to your earlier post, I looked through all my references and dont have any good pics that show where a good place would be to start it. I do know its 2deg30' (if that means anything to you than you should be building space rockets!) and have seen it for myself when I worked on the Hind fleet at Biggs AAF at the FT Bliss complex. I'll keep looking (maybe you have some good pics of the twist already). By the way, group builders, Trumpeter's web site posted TWENTY ONE pics of a completed 1:35 in blue Czech tiger stripes and it looks awesome. Check it out here
http://www.trumpeter-china.com/en/menu/plan/1-35/05103.htm
Toodles,
Higg

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Avus

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June 2003
From: Caput Mundi

Posted by Avus on Wednesday, May 5, 2004 2:08 AM

QUOTE: It is an honor to group build in such esteemed company!

Duke thanks for the "esteemed company"! But indeed it is an honor to be group building with you guys. It's a pleasure to see how persons from arond the world get along so well, maybe politicians sholud learn from forums! SoapBox [soapbox]

Probably I'll post some pics this weekend, but in the meantime I give you a link:
http://s96920072.onlinehome.us/Fea1/901-1000/Fea916_Hind_Ruehle/fea916.htm
This guy is describing the same problems I had with the wings.

Higg thanks for the link to Trumpeter. Their helo looks hot! I hope mine turns out only half as good as theirs!

Klaus

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knight667

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January 2004
From: Philomath, OR, USA

Posted by knight667 on Tuesday, May 4, 2004 6:03 PM

Would it be too late to join the build? I'm hoping to order my 1/48 Hind shortly (within the next few days).

Regarding color scheme, I was considering using Model Master 2123 "Underside Blue" for the belly and "Earth Brown" (2124) and "Topside Green" (2122) for the camo scheme. All of these are supposed to be "authentic" Russian/Soviet colors. Thoughts?

John "The only easy day was yesterday." - US Navy SEALs "Improvise. Adapt. Overcome." - US Marine Corp. "I live each day/Like it's my last/...I never look back" - from "I'm A Rocker" by Judas Priest

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Anonymous

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November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, May 4, 2004 5:40 PM

Andy,
You're on crack if you put a twist in it. After I responded to your earlier post, I looked through all my references and dont have any good pics that show where a good place would be to start it. I do know its 2deg30' (if that means anything to you than you should be building space rockets!) and have seen it for myself when I worked on the Hind fleet at Biggs AAF at the FT Bliss complex. I'll keep looking (maybe you have some good pics of the twist already). By the way, group builders, Trumpeter's web site posted TWENTY ONE pics of a completed 1:35 in blue Czech tiger stripes and it looks awesome. Check it out here
http://www.trumpeter-china.com/en/menu/plan/1-35/05103.htm
Toodles,
Higg

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Duke Maddog

Member since
June 2003
From: Rowland Heights, California

Posted by Duke Maddog on Tuesday, May 4, 2004 12:10 PM

QUOTE: Originally posted by Avus

Impressive progress Duke! One could say you're almost done.
I've built almost all the sub assemblies of my Hind, all I need is time to put them together.

Thanks Avus! I think I have a few more days to go. I'm trying to moderate my build so i don't finish too far ahead of everyone else. Then again, mine is only 1/72 scale, while many here are building that Trumpeter monster! Evil [}:)]

Still, I don't want to get too far ahead.

Do you have any pics showing your subassemblies? Even though I'll never build such a big beast, I'd still like to see it go together. Also, I think other Trumpeter builders who haven't gotten to the armament pylons would benefit from pics showing the assemblies the way you describe.

Keep up the great work, and thanks again for the great compliments Avus. It is an honor to group build in such esteemed company!

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zokissima

Member since
July 2003
From: Toronto, Ontario, Canada

Posted by zokissima on Tuesday, May 4, 2004 8:22 AM

Wow, this really is an amazing kit. I haven't built anything flying in a while, but if I were to, this kit'd be it. Can't wait to see you people finish them up. This Soviet beast looks so much more aggresive and dangerous than anything in the west.
Onwards comrades Big Smile [:D]

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Anonymous

Member since
November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, May 4, 2004 3:52 AM

How the

am I going to incorporate the twist? I think I'll have to create the illusion by offsetting the wing stubs, engine intakes, and cranking over the main rotor. Has anyone heard of any aftermarket goodies yet for the Trumpeter kit.? Question [?]

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Avus

Member since
June 2003
From: Caput Mundi

Posted by Avus on Tuesday, May 4, 2004 1:41 AM

Impressive progress Duke! One could say you're almost done.
I've built almost all the sub assemblies of my Hind, all I need is time to put them together.
BTW to all those with a Trumpeter Hind: so far I found no big problem fitting the parts with one big exception, the armament pylons underneath the wings ... These are one pain in the a..!
I can give you some hints:
First: Parts D27 and D29 should be equal but actually they are not, i.e. you have to try, before glueing, wich pair fits better together.
Second: you can cut away the insertion pins on these parts as you eyes will do the fitting, on parts F1 and F8, better.
Anyway, should you follow these helps you'll have to use a lot of putty.

Klaus

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Duke Maddog

Member since
June 2003
From: Rowland Heights, California

Posted by Duke Maddog on Monday, May 3, 2004 2:03 PM

Here's a couple more poor-quality shots of my progress to date:

Here's a photo of my Hind with it's wings, gear doors, and horizontal stabilizers on:

In this shot, you can see how I tried to get the wing dyhedral correct:

I think I did pretty well in that!

Now it's time to get the canopy on, install the detail parts, then finish the camo pattern.

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Anonymous

Member since
November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, May 2, 2004 10:47 PM

looks good, haven't built much myself, need to wait until i get my pilots before i can put my cockpit on (which doesn't fit, surprise surprise). i'm also trying to get info on what vehicles russian used in kosovo for my hind dio. (this can be found in the armour forum) not sure if i am going to put the things that look like genade launchers on the end of the wings, or leav it empty.

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Duke Maddog

Member since
June 2003
From: Rowland Heights, California

Posted by Duke Maddog on Sunday, May 2, 2004 8:17 PM

Well, since things seem to have slowed down a bit here, I think I'll post some pics of my progress so far:

Here is my model drying between clamps after I glued the fuselage halves together:

Later, I removed the clamps, sanded down the seams, and then installed the Engines and APU, as well as the two missing panels.

Here he is sporting an early Basecoat and sitting on his own three struts:

Once the heat cools a bit, I'll see about getting more progress done.

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Anonymous

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November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Friday, April 30, 2004 9:16 PM

click on image to enlarge!
Dry Fit or Die,
Higg

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Anonymous

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November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Friday, April 30, 2004 8:50 PM

QUOTE: Originally posted by andy_wood

First of all, recessed rivets. The real machine is covered in mushroom rivets. Has anyone plucked up the courage to make correct each one?

in model railroading they are called rivit counters, they count hte amount of rivits on a car/engine, and compain that it has 1 too many/few Wink [;)]

Welcome to the forum Approve [^]

. Are you joining this group build?

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Anonymous

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November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Friday, April 30, 2004 2:31 PM

This is the first time I have ever taking part in a discussion forum on the net, so I do hope I'm doing this right.
Received my Trumpter HIND a few days ago. I just like to pick up on a few things to see what other builders feel on the subject.
First of all, recessed rivets. The real machine is covered in mushroom rivets. Has anyone plucked up the courage to make correct each one?
Second, the front cockpit is missing the optical sight from the right hand side (a noticable item), as is the collective lever.
Third, no cabin detail on the walls!!
Fourth, have Trumpeter incorporated the few degrees tilt to the right for the fuselage? I've looked at the fuselage halves on the frame but I cannot really tell. Can anyone make any comment on this?
This model cries out for superdetailing, and that's what I intend to do. (At the moment I fancy scratching the APU at the rear.) I think Trumpeter have done a good job with the engines, just a bit more fuse wire, streched sprue, and the oil tanks are all thats needed. Big Smile [:D]

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Duke Maddog

Member since
June 2003
From: Rowland Heights, California

Posted by Duke Maddog on Thursday, April 29, 2004 8:27 PM

Thanks Higg! I do remember that scene, and I remember thinking when I finally saw "Blue Thunder" that the cockpit looked familiar! Lol!

Anyway, I'm keeping it a three seater, so I can move on, especially since I've already put the fuselage together.

I'll post a few more pics of it when I get more time.

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Anonymous

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November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, April 28, 2004 3:19 PM

Duke,
oh well about the 3 seat config! But there's been alot of goofy misinformation floating around about the A model for years. Hell, have you ever seen "FireFox" with Clint Eastwood? The Hind A's shot down in the movie showed a 3 man crew; in fact, they did all the Hind cockpit crew shots using the sound stage "Blue Thunder" mock-up, filmed around the same time, and sporting a "similar" glasshouse canopy. Still a great movie!
Higg

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Duke Maddog

Member since
June 2003
From: Rowland Heights, California

Posted by Duke Maddog on Wednesday, April 28, 2004 3:08 PM

Here is the progress I made on the Hind Group Build.

These are the photos of my cockpit and interior cabin assembly. This fist one shows the assembly as I did it before applying the interior decals.

Note, I built it as the three-seated version because:

A) I didn't know it was only a two seat aircraft, and

B) My resources and scratchbuilding skills are both woefully lacking.

Therefore, these reasons, and the other 8 in progress kits on my workbench have swayed me to go ahead and build it incorrectly Out Of Box.

That being said, here is a shot that is angled so that some of the decaled interior can be seen:

I brushed some Future on the surfaces to be decaled before aplying them. That made the decals fall right into place and stick well.

I had also taken a picture of my kit right after cementing the fuselage halves together, but it came out too badly exposed to use. I'll take another shot of it and post it later.

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Anonymous

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November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, April 27, 2004 5:30 PM

Fellas,
Appreciated the comments on my conversion progress! Its a motivational kick in the balls when I start getting burned out from it. Going to start my 1:50 Heller Puma/ "Red Dawn" Hind to shake up my evenings a little bit.
By the way, I just picked up an old Hasegawa Hind A 1:72 kit, and I got to tell you that the overall detail is o.k., but I took one look at the cockpit and had a little chuckle. They made it a three seater (two pilot/copilot seats side by side with a gunner seat up front)! Lordy lord lord, so you'll have to fix it back into a tandem seat config like the real Hind A with pilot seat by itself in the back, offset to port side, and keeping the gunner up front (they got that part right, but the detail is unsat).
Higg

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Anonymous

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November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, April 27, 2004 2:49 PM

QUOTE: Originally posted by Avus

Listen to this:
In the lab where I work we have a russian girl. For fun I asked her to translate the decals of my Trupeter's Hind. Some were correct russian words or phrases but others were cyrillic caracters randomly put together to make it look like a russian word!
I wonder what the guys over at Trumpeter thought!

Mebbe, but mebbe it's just code -- if so, as she's not Hind crew or maintenance, she wouldn't know what the code means.

I haven't built an avaiation kit in literally decades, and I'd love to get into this one, but it is a massive undertaking, and I've got a few of those going already!

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Anonymous

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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, April 27, 2004 9:11 AM

WOW!!![:0] i'm begining to hate mine more and more Disapprove [V]

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J-Hulk

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February 2003
From: Tochigi, Japan

Posted by J-Hulk on Tuesday, April 27, 2004 5:52 AM

Looking good!

~Brian

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Avus

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June 2003
From: Caput Mundi

Posted by Avus on Tuesday, April 27, 2004 5:26 AM

I have a comment for you:
Bow [bow]

HOLY COW! THAT THING IS AWESOME! Bow [bow]

Can't wait to see it complete.

Klaus

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