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Posted by GreySnake on Thursday, October 27, 2022 12:18 PM

Can you put me down for two figures right now? Both figures are 54mm by Tommy's War.

Leutnant, 44th Flieger Battalion, Champagne 1915

Leutnant, Fusiller Guards Regiment, Ukraine 1916

 

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Posted by Dodgy on Friday, October 28, 2022 3:25 AM

GreySnake

Can you put me down for two figures right now? Both figures are 54mm by Tommy's War.

Leutnant, 44th Flieger Battalion, Champagne 1915

Leutnant, Fusiller Guards Regiment, Ukraine 1916

 

 

Absolutely Greysnake. Welcome aboard!

Dodgy

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Posted by ikar01 on Friday, October 28, 2022 7:20 PM

Here's another idea for that astronaut.  If you ever read the original book "The Planet of the Apes" lke I did back in the late 60s, at the end you find that the story is being read by a space crew in orbit of earth after they find a book drifting near their ship.  After they are done having a good laugh with it the book goes into storage while they wonder how it got into orbit in the first place since they were supposed to be the first space mission, and the story line has got to be rediculus in the first place.  Then the crew prepare to re-enter the atmosphere as they use their feet to grip holds while they put on their helmets.  Care to guess how or why they do that?

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Posted by Gamera on Friday, October 28, 2022 9:20 PM

ikar01

Here's another idea for that astronaut.  If you ever read the original book "The Planet of the Apes" lke I did back in the late 60s, at the end you find that the story is being read by a space crew in orbit of earth after they find a book drifting near their ship.  After they are done having a good laugh with it the book goes into storage while they wonder how it got into orbit in the first place since they were supposed to be the first space mission, and the story line has got to be rediculus in the first place.  Then the crew prepare to re-enter the atmosphere as they use their feet to grip holds while they put on their helmets.  Care to guess how or why they do that?

 

Were the astronauts apes? 

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Posted by ikar01 on Friday, October 28, 2022 10:41 PM

Sure were.  I read that book back in about 1968 when the first ape movie came out.  Until the very end there was no indication that they were, you just had the impression that one of our current capsules had found something that must have been forgotten by some alien ship that had visited earlier.

The book had been written by Pierre Boulle in 1963.  Planet of the Apes was our title and the British called it Monkey Planet.  I checked for this part of the info and found that the book can still be bought on ETSY and probably other places and as a audio book on Amazon.

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Posted by Gamera on Sunday, October 30, 2022 7:18 PM

ikar01

Sure were.  I read that book back in about 1968 when the first ape movie came out.  Until the very end there was no indication that they were, you just had the impression that one of our current capsules had found something that must have been forgotten by some alien ship that had visited earlier.

The book had been written by Pierre Boulle in 1963.  Planet of the Apes was our title and the British called it Monkey Planet.  I checked for this part of the info and found that the book can still be bought on ETSY and probably other places and as a audio book on Amazon.

 

Cool, never read the novel. I'd heard it had the apes in a modern technical civilization but in the movie building all that was deemed by the studio to be way too expensive. 

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Posted by PFJN2 on Wednesday, November 2, 2022 2:48 PM

Hi,

Everything is finally coming together.  I have everything glued in place except the helmet visor, and the gun (which I don't intend to glue, it kind of rests in place on the chest control unit thing).  Right now, I mostly need to;

  • Clean up that white "hose connector" behind the rifle site (I'm just waiting for the putty to dry)
  • Work on the face
  • Give some thoughts as to whether I can tint the helmet visor a little darker
  • Maybe try and accent some of the seems and edges a little more
  • And add some markings/decals.

I have recently recieved some eyball decals from eBay and am interested in seeing how they turn out.  And I also found some low vis American Flag markings that are a little small, but should be OK.  I also have some of the exisitng markings from the original kit, and I think that I can steal a "Name" for a name tag frommaybe one of my airplane kits.  Other than that I would like to try and add some rank markings and maybe some sort of Space Force marking and/or unit patch.

If I make the astronaut an officer instead of an enlisted person, the rank markings might not be two hard to do (just a solid, or hollow, bar for a Leuitenant - I think).  But a Space Force logo is probably beyond my capabilities at this time.  I may take a marking from some other kit and put it on the figures shoulder to represent some sort of made up unit patch or something though.

Pat

Astronaut

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Posted by Dodgy on Wednesday, November 2, 2022 6:41 PM

It's really starting to come together Pat. As for a unit marking, have you considered using an existing unit patch, as such things don't tend to change much over time, or taking something from the internet and making a decal? (Don't ask me how to do this, but I know others do it). As for the eyes, be careful of showing too much white.

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Posted by keavdog on Wednesday, November 2, 2022 8:00 PM

Coming along.  I saw these - maybe you can use them

https://www.culttvmanshop.com/Astronaut-decals-18-scale-from-New-Ware-_p_5010.html

 

Thanks,

John

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Posted by Gamera on Wednesday, November 2, 2022 8:05 PM

That's cool Pat! You're making great progress. And some good advice there from Dodgy. 

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Posted by Glamdring on Wednesday, November 2, 2022 8:31 PM

The camo on the astronaut turned out really well!

I cracked the seal on War Daddy this evening, just to get whet my whistle.  I need to lop off the casting gate under his neck, clean up that connection point, then hope to prime tommorow and start painting this weekend.

Robert 

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Posted by PFJN2 on Wednesday, November 2, 2022 8:59 PM

Hi,

Thanks for the feedback and recommendations.  I just ordered the Astronaut decals and am looking through my spares for something that looks good for a unit patch.

Pat

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Posted by Dodgy on Thursday, November 3, 2022 8:59 PM

Glamdring

The camo on the astronaut turned out really well!

I cracked the seal on War Daddy this evening, just to get whet my whistle.  I need to lop off the casting gate under his neck, clean up that connection point, then hope to prime tommorow and start painting this weekend.

 

That's a great looking bust Glamdring, it's just screaming for paint! Looking forward to seeing it come together.

Dodgy

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Posted by Gamera on Friday, November 4, 2022 7:16 PM

Robert: That's a great looking figure- really captures the look of Pitt. Looks like it'll be a joy to paint. 

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Posted by Glamdring on Sunday, November 6, 2022 7:41 PM

Thanks Dodgy and Gam.  This is a great bust, I think I will enjoy it as I go along.

 

Made some progress, not much.  Just a base coat for the skin and a start to the eyes.

Don't be fooled by the shadows and highlights in this picture, that is just my lighting.  I think I will be referencing this picture when I start shading...they don't show up like this in person!

I also gave Fury another watch this weekend for inspiration, unfortunately this took my attention away from the painting.  Oops

Robert 

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Posted by ikar01 on Sunday, November 6, 2022 9:50 PM

Sorry about the names of the apes in space.  I read the book back in high school in the 60s and don't remember if they were even given names.

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Posted by Gamera on Monday, November 7, 2022 10:18 PM

Robert: Looks good! It's just a matter of fiddling with it till it looks 'right'. 

Ikar: No worries! 

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Posted by keavdog on Monday, November 7, 2022 10:55 PM

Great start Robert.

Thanks,

John

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Posted by Dodgy on Tuesday, November 8, 2022 4:07 PM

Brilliant start Glamdring!

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Posted by GreySnake on Thursday, November 10, 2022 4:24 PM
Started on my two figures so far I have only removed the casting blocks and some general cleanup. The arms and heads on both figures are just tacked on with some poster putty.
Here is the Leutnant of the 44th Flieger Bn.
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This figure represents a former Lancer Regiment trooper commander who has transferred to the flying battalion. The figure is still wearing the 1910 lancer field tunic along with the regimental piping that is also on the field cap. This figure is already an ace since he was the Pour le Merite (Blue Max).
 
 
Leutnant Fusilier Guards Regiment
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This figure represents a platoon commander of the3rd Prussian Fusilier Guards Division. The officer’s field tunic has been customized with a high collar. The figure is armed with an artillery C96 Mauser. This figure came with three head choices a soft cap, one wearing a M1916 stahlhelm or gasmask with stahlhelm.  
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Posted by Gamera on Thursday, November 10, 2022 5:26 PM

Oh those are cool GS! Really like th commander in the gas mask. As much as I hate painting faces he's right up my alley! 

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Posted by Dodgy on Thursday, November 10, 2022 5:54 PM

Very nice looking figures. Beautiful detail.

Dodgy

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Posted by DRUMS01 on Saturday, November 12, 2022 11:47 PM

Wow this is already a spectacular GB. The work here is inspiring. Well Dodgy, I finally made my mind up on what I'm going to build for this GB and it's going to be really spartan.

Not "spartan" as in sparsly, or severely simple and without ornament, but instead "Spartan" (noun) meaning a person from the city of Sparta. And considering one Spartan warrior would be nice, I thought three would be even better! Perhaps some of you might remember the Hoplite figure I built a couple years ago (?). I decided to purchase several figures when I bought the Greek hoplite figure and these three Spartan figures were in that group. 

SPARTAN HISTORY:

Here is a short history about Sparta according to Wikipedia. Sparta was a prominent city-state in Laconia, in ancient Greece. In antiquity, the city-state was known as Lacedaemon, while the name Sparta referred to its main settlement on the banks of the Eurotas River in Laconia, in south-eastern Peloponnese. Sparta was unique in ancient Greece for its social system and constitution, which were supposedly introduced by the semi-mythical legislator Lycurgus. His laws configured the Spartan society to maximize military proficiency at all costs, focusing all social institutions on military training and physical development. Spartiate men underwent the rigorous agoge training regimen, and Spartan phalanx brigades were widely considered to be among the best in battle.

Around 650 BC, it rose to become the dominant military land-power in ancient Greece. Given its military pre-eminence, Sparta was recognized as the leading force of the unified Greek military during the Greco-Persian Wars, in rivalry with the rising naval power of Athens. Sparta was the principal enemy of Athens during the Peloponnesian War (431–404 BC), from which it emerged victorious after the Battle of Aegospotami. Modern Sparta is now the capital of the southern Greek region of Laconia and a center for processing citrus and olives.

FIGURES and MODELING:

It all started years ago when I found an advertisement that turned out to be a web site called AliExpress.com . It is very similar to Ebay except it is based in China. While I knew nothing really of the site, its guarantee along with its use of PayPal made it appear to be safe. After checking it out through on-line sources I found it to be legitimate. The two main things I kept hearing was to check out both the product and the vendor carefully; in this case high feedback with American and European clients. 

The product is made of resin and represent three 75mm or 1/24 - 1/25 Spartan warriors. They arrived in a simple 4x4 cardboard box. Inside the box was two zip-lock type bags with around 45-50 resin parts attached to sprue and resin blocks. There were no instructions, images, paint guides, just the resin in two bags. The quality of the resin was good (very little seam work or flash). There were no pin holes and it had the correct smoothness or texture where needed. Still I found it strange not to have any of the previously mentions documents. 

(SIDE NOTE) After digging a little deeper and through some new friends in the PlanetFigure (modeling) forum I found that many of the figures sold in AliExpress are actually copies of legitimate figures that were sculpted, manufactured, and sold by real model companies. Many of those copied figures did not get permission to produce them and do not compensate the legitimate model manufacturer. While some of the figures are made completely by China, others are pirated copies. I looked for the origins of these figures but cannot locate them through any regular hobby sources. They may be China originals, but they may also be copies. Because of this information I no longer purchase figures through AliExpress. That is my way to better support the hobby and those legitimate people or companies in the modeling industry. 

Back to the figures, after dumping the product out of the bags you could see that each Spartan was molded in several parts. These included the head, upper torso, lower torso, individual arms and legs, capes, and equipment. Initially it was not obvious which parts went to which figure. So to assist me in identifying how the parts are to be paired Jarrod and I copied images from one of the AliExpress modeling vendors sites. Here is how they are suppose to look if built my a skilled figure modeler (not me). 

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And here is a photo of some of the parts though much of the build has already begun. In the photo you can see the distorted spear shafts, swords, and spear tips. We will replace the spear shafts with aluminum tubing. Other items like the swords are also bent but we've been able to warm them up and bend them back to a straight position. 

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As I mentioned, the mold quality is actually pretty good, with some crisp details.

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As Jarrod and I were cleaning the individual parts we found that each part had a unique key and slot assembly (as in the photo above). That helped a great deal in figuring which parts go to each Spartan. With that said, there was still many instances of the product bending or warping. Still with careful removing of the parts, cleaning and gentle reshaping, the parts fell together easily. Here is an example of cleaning out the hand holds designed to hold the spear.

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After a long afternoon me and my helper (Jarrod) were able to get the body parts assembled to the point of painting. Normally I clean and then prime my 120mm figures before my initial base coats, but I was a little worried that the numerous layers of paint might obscure many areas of fine molding in 1/25 scale. So in this case we simply washed them good with common dish soap to remove any oils or release agent used when making the molds. Next was to drill a hole into the keyed area where the head will fit to insert a holder which allows hands free painting and subsequent support away from anything else while drying. My thought is the initial base colors will also act as the primer(s). 

Here is a photo of some initial painting. Our method normally starts with the darkest tone of the final color and then lightly layers. This could be darker shading of the base color such as the deep folds within the material, or a dark skin tone and later progressively lighter shades to create a forced perspective of sun and shade on the person, clothing, and equipment. Note the old file we stuck into the torso's neck to hold the figure while painting as stated.

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In the photo above, the dark brown looking thing is the base coat for the base of the figure. The wadded up piece is the cape that he will be wearing (see completed figures above). And here is the base coat for the cape, believe it or not that is actually flat insignia red. It's going to definitely need some dull coat to quiet down the color. 

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We did continue adding the various base coats on one of the figures as well as some basic shading in the molded cloth-like material. I did that because it would prove difficult working on the recessed areas after adding paint to the raised portions; work from the lower recessed areas to the top raised areas. The arms were left off to make the painting of all components much easier. Check out some of the mold details here.

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That's where we are at right now. We hope to be able to show the other figures base coats along with some of the detail painting in the next update. Time now for a steady hand and small brushes (and my good helper - Jarrod).

Ben and Jarrod (DRUMS01)

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1/35 Churchill Mk IV AVRE with bridge - DONE

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Posted by Gamera on Monday, November 14, 2022 9:37 AM

Ben & Jarrod: Looks awesome! Looking forward to seeing him come together. 

Sorry guys, going to be going dark for the next two weeks. Am on holiday/vacation. Brought the laptop but the power supply somehow wasn't in the bag with the laptop- so I've got about an hour's worth of power on the internal battery... Bang Head

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Posted by DRUMS01 on Wednesday, November 16, 2022 7:56 PM

Thanks Gamera,

And I believe I found the original manufacturer (in Spain), still working that out. I agree that you really can't argue with the quality as the fine details, poses, and general fit are wonderful. I just feel bad that I bought them when I was ignorant to the pirating issues. So to give credit where it is due...

The concept art was done by Pedro Nunez. The wonderful sculpting was by Hugo Gomez Briones and Jesus Ruiz Lopez while the original figures were painted by Ruben Martinez and Jaime de Garnica. I found them marketed in Spain by Big Child Creatives. As I said, I'm reaching out to them concerning my purchase on AliExpress (now that I know). Perhaps they can connect me to the original manufacturer (?).

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On with the build, The figures base coats were completed based on the photos of the originals. 

SKIN: After the darker Vallejo base coat (a mix of dark tan and warm skin tone) I began bringing out lighter shades for the skin using both Vallejo figure paints and Tamiya flesh on the top coat. It was a challenge trying to made the feet look dirty while still blending them to match the rest of the skin tone. My final paint was nothing more than a very light dry brush coating of the Tamiya flesh tone to gradually bring out the skin pigment while still keeping them a little dirty.

UNIFORM: For the material of the uniform I painted it Model Master Flat Signal Red enamel than added a diluted wash to the recessed areas. Even after the wash the Model Master flat Signal Red Enamel was far to glossy. My solution was to dilute a mix of Vallejo Flat Cherry and IJN Hull Red then wash that over the Signal Red and the shading; the transition was remarkable. My last application was a mix of the Cherry Red to the raised / sun exposed portions of the uniform material. 

ARMOR: The gold tone armor was nothing more than a simple application of Molotow Gold marker. I thin it has the extra super fine pigments and curing method to make it look like natural metal (not paint). The spear tips were painted with silver Molotow marker. The remaining belts, slings, straps, and ties were painted various shades of brown and dry brushed with light sand to pick out the raised details. 

BASE: Originally it was dark brown. After lighter shades and progressive dark washes they were dry brushed in Vallejo Dark Earth, MM Flat Brown, Vallejo Desert Sand, and several shades of flat gray. Afterwards Jarrod and I applied some Model Railroad landscape Lychen. Here is one of the bases in the process of painting.

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Here is what they look like at this moment. They are fully assembled and waiting for the clear coat over the gold to fully dry. They still need the final details picked out, the skin dulled and final adjustment, etc. I'm also going to make the "V" on the shields then nick and dirty them up afterwards (along with the armor). I'm not sure If Jarrod and I will use watercolor pencils or oils for the final details. 

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We are also working on some kind of display base to show all three together. I hope the next update can show the final reveal with better quality photos, we will see. 

Ben and Jarrod

"Everyones the normal until you get to know them" (Unknown)

LAST COMPLETED:

1/35 Churchill Mk IV AVRE with bridge - DONE

NEXT PROJECT:

1/35 CH-54A Tarhe Helicopter

 

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Posted by Glamdring on Wednesday, November 16, 2022 8:01 PM

Those look like two interesting build in the works, I like the look on all the Germans and Spartans!

I have been spending far too much time massaging the Vallejo for the shadows and highlights on the face.  Considering I plan on going for the look in the early parts of the movie when his face was covered with grime...it is mostly going to be covered anyway...

Oh well, part 1 and two after after the hair was painted in.  I included the historically accurate bleached blond highlights worn by Mr Pitt.

 

 

I am going to add in eyebrows and let the head sit for a couple days to see what else it needs, but will be moving  on to the uniform now.

Robert 

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Posted by Dodgy on Saturday, November 19, 2022 7:05 PM

Ben, Jarrod and Glamdring, superb work on superb figures. Well done all. Ben & Jarrod can you keep us updated on your work to locate the original sculptor?

Dodgy

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Posted by PhoenixG on Tuesday, November 22, 2022 1:00 AM

Great progress on the builds posted!

I've just started on the Strange Company build.

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Working on the 4 armed bartender pulling pieces and cleaning them up.  Lots of detail on these figures.

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Bandai 1/72 Defender Destroid

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Posted by Glamdring on Tuesday, November 22, 2022 8:01 PM

I just googled that line of figures from Masterbox....looks interesting!

I spent a good part of the weekend working the tanker jacket.  I am at the stage of calling enough's enough.

To shake it up, here is the reverse:

Robert 

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Posted by Dodgy on Saturday, November 26, 2022 8:18 PM

I'm looking forward to this build Phoenix G.

Beautiful work on that jacket Glamdring. It's really starting to come together.

Dodgy

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