AIRCRAFT - "Prototypes and Paper Projects" Group Build - Still Open.

Added sum filler to the Dornier...seal off those irritating gaps in the tail plane roots and in the engine section...

Got me a nice big fat tube of "Mangers ready mixed all purpose filler" from a local DIY store - £1.49 (~US$ 2.25....~EU 2.10) for 330g. (UK readers might have heard of Boyes? Head there.... local yokel model shop still doesn't have any filler...) Seems to work fine anyway- dries quickly, sticks better than cow poo to a shoe, and sands very easily too....doesn't melt the plastic.

started looking at the Dornier 217E canopies - rather poor quality...the metal frame impressions are barely noticeable, which is going to make masking the canopy v v difficult. All I have is masking tape, but I cannot cut it to the right shape with scissors...if I stick it to the canopy then cut it with a craft nife, i risk damaging the canopee. I cannot paint freehand, coz that will really make a canine's breakfast of it....mmmm.....Not sure what to do here.....

Looking at this kit, it seems it was a bog standard Airfix Do 217E kit, with the Me-328 added later, because there are pieces on the sprue such as a solid nose, nose cannons and a longer tail section, but are not mentioned at all in the instructions. There are also no places to glue the anchors for the ME-328 on top of the Dornier...

mmmm....perhaps I can ditch the glass nose and use the solid one?


Beers, Kebab.....now 12:45 am....I'm orf to count some sheep....nighters.....

Little embarassing update: while waiting for the filler to dru on the wing assembly of the XP-55, I started on the Dragon YF-23. All went pretty well untill I masked off the cockpit section (having installed it without painting because I wanted to hurry up ). Anyway, I heard something snap...... when I dared look I saw that I had broken off the two flying tails. Murphy's law in full effect. So much for an easy build! I'm drilling and inserting pins again, lol. Will keep you posted.

The Sticky portal is no big deal. It's a new folder in the forum index. Inside is a bunch of locked topics, one for each Group Build (man, there's a lot!). Find one, click on the name. It'll give you a link to the actual Group Build itself. And finally...
Here you are!

(I know. I just tried it, to make sure what was going on!) It's a good idea. The first page of the Aircraft Forum ecspecially was getting a little cluttered. Sure, it's a little roundabout, but it still works.

And yes, I would think that the ramp was non-standard! Ah, well. Those crazy Germans...

And John, thanks for the link, too! I think I've been there once or twice before. Or three. Or four....
Great stuff! The question is, would you be willing to find something you (*gasp*) haven't done, and lend your experience to this crazy ride? Hmm?

Lucien, thanks for setting me straight on the non-existent nosewheel. Using the ramp to jack the whole plane up is not exactly standard plane design either, is it? That he-176 thing doesn't look too healthy either... Crazy stuff.
All the stickies have gone and can be accessed through a sticky portal. HAven't done that myself though. See the trhreads in the announcements forum.

John, nice link. I'm sure that will save a lot of people a lot of searching! I'm completely covered in that area myself, because I came across a kit of the Ekranoplan today and couldn't say no. Well it was on sale. Between that, the XP-55, a Lippisch P-13 (did I mention that yet?), Northrops XB-35 and YF-23, I can keep building for this groupbuild for quite some time.

QUOTE: Originally posted by norite Lucien, you could make a vehicle ramp, then drive one of those very ickle R/C cars up it!

It's a good idea!

QUOTE: Originally posted by Filibert Kraxner Btw: am I the only one who thinks it's a bit weird to have both a nosewheel and a tailwheel?? They didn't have much faith in the thing's aoa on landing it seems .

Nosewheel? Nosewheel? Where?
Just kidding. It landed on the tailwheel, and the whole back end was jacked up using the Trapoklappe (The ramp- I love German! ) They didn't take off and land like that!

Now, if you want a nosewheel AND a tailwheel...

[image]http://www.luft46.com/prototyp/he176-1.jpg[/image]

(Heinkel He 176 prototype.)

P.S. Does anyone know why all of a sudden we have no Stickies anymore? Anyone?

Can I just say "Pick one:"?
http://www.inpayne.com/models/models_projekts.html

I've never motorized a model before, but I've read the Spitfire article you mentioned. As far as wiring goes: highschool was a while ago, and I have forgotten how it all works. (With the voltage and the Amps and the parallel and serial and stuff.... must be getting old ). Btw: am I the only one who thinks it's a bit weird to have both a nosewheel and a tailwheel?? They didn't have much faith in the thing's aoa on landing it seems .

I'm so confused. If you'll see, I posted my last reply this morning. Now I want to moterize it again! Geeze! I'm remembering the article in one of the Fine Scale magazines where Paul Boyer showed you how to motorize a 1:72 Spitfire. This got me thinking again about a possible wiring diagram (about the 16th one I've been through!) for my project. In the article a small, "button" battery was used, and apparently it worked. So, I was thinking, why not use eight of those, wired in series, connected to the eight pager motors, also wired is series? Once again, I have no idea if this will work. It should fit inside one of the fuselages of the Ju 290Z, and length of operation is not a problem.

I had a very in-depth conversion about this in another topic (it's dead, now), and got alot of good advice. Does anyone here know anything about wiring? Could this work?

I'm starting to rant and rave again. I'm sorry.

Lucien, you could make a vehicle ramp, then drive one of those very ickle R/C cars up it!

QUOTE: Originally posted by Filibert Kraxner The next link has some pictures of the Ho-229: http://www.warbirdsresourcegroup.org/LRG/ho229.html This one has more text and a lot of links: http://www.ctie.monash.edu.au/hargrave/horten.html Hope this is enough for you Frosty. I think the only 229 left (sort of) is in storage at the Smithsonian. You could check their website too for some wreck-pics.

Filibert:
danke shoen 4 the linx, that's certainly a lot more than i had before !

frosty

I had a lapse in insanity today. (Give it a few seconds, it'll come to you.) Putting all I have to do in perspective, and comparing that with what little I know about wiring, I decided to veto the moterizing of this project. I would have really liked to do it, but I know squat about how to. I think I'm doing enough!

So, what to do instead...

[image]http://www.fortunecity.com/meltingpot/portland/971/images/transport/Ju-290_02.jpg[/image]
Whaddaya think?

First off, (about this picture) there is no proof that this was ever used in combat, and (what I know), this picture might have been staged. Second, this is more appropriate for the transport version. (Compared to the anti-shipping version of the 290Z I plan to do.)

Sill, it would be a great way to display the model! I don't know. I come up with some excuse to do it... If I do, I'll have to add some detail to the inside and on the ramp, and whatnot.

Here's another view of the above aircraft.

[image]http://www.fortunecity.com/meltingpot/portland/971/images/transport/Ju-290_03.jpg[/image]

thanks for the site filbert. those rectangles are for the base and that pole has every single hand peg. im not physic but im goin break a few of those

Lucien, here is a kit review of the Junkbuster 290.....

http://www.fortunecity.com/meltingpot/portland/971/Inbox/g-j/ju-290-i.htm

Should whett your appetite...

I haven't done much with my misteltoe kit....working on my new Skoda instead......

Check out the link in my signature, or this one- (they're the same)

www.luft46.com

It's a great site, with loads of information on everything pertaining to this subject. I use it all the time. Hope this helps!

Ghettochild, I found a nice link ob the Natter. thought you might like it:

http://www.germanvtol.com/bachemfolder/bachem.html

The next link has some pictures of the Ho-229:

http://www.warbirdsresourcegroup.org/LRG/ho229.html

This one has more text and a lot of links:

http://www.ctie.monash.edu.au/hargrave/horten.html

Hope this is enough for you Frosty. I think the only 229 left (sort of) is in storage at the Smithsonian. You could check their website too for some wreck-pics.

QUOTE: Originally posted by Filibert Kraxner Frosty, the 229 certainly counts as a prototype: and a cool one at that! Are you going to do the 1/48 Dragon one?

Filibert:
thanx 4 the reply, & the welcome !
i actually already have the PM Models one in 1/72
saw it & couldn't resist...
it reminded me of the one in Raiders of the Lost Ark
gotta love those flying wing things !

of course, i know absolutely nothing about the 229
other than what's in the box & 1 pick of a nice build-up of the Dragon one
in a back issue of FSM...
so if anyone has a link 2 some info,
it would b greatly appreciated !

frosty

Naw, the 290Z was never built. I think it was passed over for the Ju 390 instead. (See below)

[image]http://www.luftwaffepics.com/LCBW3/ju390-001.jpg[/image]

I don't know why. The 290Z would have been much easier to retool the factories for. All I really know about the Ju 290Z is that it was intended for a long-range recon bomber. (Pretty much the same as the normal 290, only with a greater range.) The Me 328 was for defense.

Which brings up a good point- what was "Mistel", by defenition? I know about the guided missile Ju 88 thing, but I think I remember reading something where "Mistel" was a term applied to all German parasite aircraft, explodable or not. The reason I ask is because most of the information on the Ju 290Z lists it as a Mistel, and would kind of like to know one way or the other.

For those of you out there who are Ju 290 experts, you'll notice the Ju 290s the 290Z is made of are the -B (bomber) versions. I don't plan to go this far. I'm just going to use the A-5 versions offered by Revell Germany. (Also, incidentally, about $30.) I don't think I could pull off a -B version! I'm doing enough already!

Quite a few parts for such a simple plane, Ghettochild. By the looks of it that tower is going to be really intricate right oob. What are those big rectangles for, a base?

Lucien (sticking to that name), your plan does sound as if you like to suffer. But if you pull it off, and have the space to display the thing, it will be mega-cool! Just start saving, I'd say. I'm sure the research can keep you busy in the time being.

Say Norite, do you collect strange languages? I'm now thinking you might be an almost-South-African-expat who moved to London (Hannants ) and spent his last extended vacation in Finland? As you may have gathered, I like a good riddle.

Frosty, the 229 certainly counts as a prototype: and a cool one at that! Are you going to do the 1/48 Dragon one?

@ Traveller: sorry to hear that life is throwing a spanner in the wheels of your Berkut. It would be very different from the other projects currently going on, and I would love to see it sometime. Maybe I can give you some assistance on your Phantom problems? Judging by the symbols you used, Phantom and you have issues at the moment.[:0]

heres the contents of the box

Hannants are selling the junkbucket 290 kits here (export) for 17 UK notes....In Uncle Sam dosh.....mmmmm that's about $30 each.....

http://www.hannants.co.uk/search/?FULL=RV4340&PRICECHOICE=Export

Lucien...a man with a planet sized plan....

Was the290Z Junkbucket ever built?

Can't find much info on it apart from a few pictures.....

Imagine an R/C flying model of that thing.....wow......
Or a R/C He 111Z.......towing a messy 321 R/C glider..........

Filibert-
I really don't care what you call me. It's all good.

Norite-
Very nice job with the Dornier half of the project. It looks very good from my end!
(Oh, and about the second language thing- don't worry, I don't understand any of it! )

Yes, I have huge plans for this Group Build, especially with my as-yet-unstarted project. But sadly, my budget isn't on the same level.

Big idea + No money = Doesn't work very well!!

As I said before, I'm pretty much starting from scratch. But, as of right now, here are my exact plans for my part.
1. Use two of the 1:72 Revell Germany Ju 290 kits to make a Ju 290Z, scratchbuilding the center wing section. It should be relativly easy, as the part doesn't have any taper, dihedral, or chord change.
2. Get the PM Me 328 kit for the back of one of the Ju 290Z fuselages.
3. Scratchbuild a couple of Pulse Jets for it. (I refuse to spend God knows how much on the Huma kit! Back to the budget issue again...)
4. Scratchbuild some kind of catapult mechenism for it.
5. Maybe get a few Hs 293 anti-shipping missiles to load up the wing racks.

Optional 6th Step!
5. Moterize the sucker! [:0] Because of various technical issues, this is still in the might-not-happen category. I would like to do it, though. As as switch, maybe have a turret as one, or something with the Me 328...

There's going to be a lot of small details, too, but that is the just of it.

Why do I feel this is too ambitious for my own good?

a quick question:
would a Horten 229 V7 experimental flying wing nightfighter
qualify 4 this build ?
('cause i've already got one !)

frosty

@Filibert: Knap gedaan, my vriend!

Mutta, myos tiehdan vahan suomea...
(now that should bake your noodle...and that's another story for another day....)

Didn't think many peeps would recognise that lingo. (Except you, judging from your location!) I just lived out there for a while, so I'm not really an expat...had to learn it at school....kind of nice having another tongue floating in the head...even if it's the only European lingo not used much in Europe...getting a bit rusty.....still, very useful when learning other languages...the more you know the easier it gets.....

@ghettochild: My local model shop had a 1:48 Revell model of the same plane, also complete with launch tower. I didn't get it (got the Dornier 335 instead) because I want to have only 1:72 scale for my Dioramarama...

Definitely post some pictures....plz!

Guys, glad to see that this site has taken off!!! I would like to say I have started on a project, but alas, life is getting in the way!!!!! If I ever finish the@##@%%^^$##^ Phantom, I will do my Su-47 Berkut!! I hope to be in my new place soon, the off to Canada and US in Oct/Nov.

Nice one Ghettochild! Haven't seen one of those built in quite some time. Cool choice.
Hey Lucien, nice bit of intrigue you had going on there, lol! You wanna go by Lucien or do you want to be called Mike in the future? By the way, maybe I can spell but I can't type for ****, so I make up for it that way, lol. I see you have huge plans on the drawingboard for this build! Well, don't worry about it, that's why we didn't have an end-date, right?

Norite, your beast of burden is coming along nicely! A lot better than my XP-55, because my girlfriend and I decided to go away for the weekend...... I'll be doing some more sanding tonight though. I see you have started a little intrigue of your own with that line in Afrikaans there. Now, you say you live in the Federal Republic of Europe, buy your kits in pounds, but write flawless Afrikaans (as far as I can tell.... which doesn't say much ). Would you be a South-African expat living in the U.K., or do you have an even more sinister story?

well i picked up my kit for this build. will be doing dragons 48th scale ba349a natter. it came with a launch tower thats about 3x bigger than the plane. will post some pics soon!

Work has started on the Dornier....piccies available here:

http://www.norite.v21hosting.co.uk/models/models.htm

...speciaal vir al die belangstellende partye in hierdie forum

QUOTE: Btw: you are not originally from the USA? Kind of figured Lucien was a french name. Then again I get that a lot too, and I'm not french, lol.

Nope. Been an american all my life. My real name's Mike. "Lucien Harpress" is just a name I pullled out of this twisted head of mine that I thought sounded cool, and I knew that someone probably didn't have already.

Status report for me- I've taken my (very) first step for my own project. Today I got the airbrush cataloge (spelling again? Don't worry. Iee kan't spel veery wel. ) I've been waiting for for a long time! Now, all I need to do is get an airbrush, regulator, water trap, two Ju 290 kits, a Me 328 kit, paint, maybe the German missile set from Condor, and God knows what else!

Now you know why I said I had nothing to start? THAT'S why!

Thanks for the info. Yes my name is Jeff :). I changed my plans. No more Mustang because when I went in today to buy it it was not there, so I went with Hasegawa's 1:48 BF-109g-10. It is a fine model as I look at in its little box here but I am not impressed with its cockpit detail, or lack there-of. But once again Verlinden and Eduard both have sets for this so this will be it.