AIRCRAFT - "Prototypes and Paper Projects" Group Build - Still Open.

Pourquoi est-ce q'on écrit en français all of a sudden? Don't get me wrong: it's good for my language skills because my french is pretty rusty nowadays. Just figured I'd go looking for my dictionary if we decide to go french only in this group build .

(just buggin' y'all)

Konnen wir nicht Franzosisch heir sprechen?

Je ne parle pas Francaise, mais je parle Anglais fantastic!

Fillibert, how about some Dutch now, just to make this a truly trans European extravaganza?

By the way I am also fully fluent in BS

Karl

Just testing Frosty, to make sure she's not forgetting things while she's on holiday!

I always thought that was the pint of holidays?

Anyway, I painted the canopy on the DFS over the weekend, and all appeared to be going well until I removed the masking and found the base coat of RLM02 had crept under the tape in a few places. The Vallejo RLM05 on top was fine though.

So I started cleaning up the canopy very gently, bearing in mind that it is very thin, and already has a crack down the middle!

Not gently enough though. I now have a canopy with an even larger crack down the middle, and paint where it shouldn't be!!!!!!!!!!!

The rest of the kit is coming on fine, with the wheels and launch dolly almost complete apart from a coat of matt varnish, and the airframe is now ready for a coat or three of RLM05.

Karl

How do you clean up the paint from the canopy, Karl?

Zozo Karl, dat klinkt niet best jongen. Al dat gepruts en dan nog een grote barst midden in je kunstwerk . Ach, probeer eens wat er gebeurt als je er een laagje future overheen smeert: als je mazzel hebt zie je er dan niet meer zoveel van.

You asked!

In case nobody got this, I suggested an application of future to the canopy to hide (as far as possible) the crack in it. It might help a little....?

Filibert, the scary thing is I sort of understood what you wrote.

In a previous life I used to support the M&S stores in Holland, and the rest of Europe for that matter, and so used to hear a lot of Dutch.

Once I've buffed out the paint smears, I'll attack the canopy with some Future.

Karl

Good luck mate! (fingers crossed,lol)

QUOTE: Originally posted by Filibert Kraxner Good luck mate! (fingers crossed,lol)

Thanks

Project currently parked, while I work on the I-16, and put finnishing touches to the Fw 190 and Hagelkorn.

Will probably look at getting the PM Ta 183 in a couple of weeks as well for this GB.

Karl

Karl & Filibert:
my apologies 4 my chatter in french...
i lived in France 4 a couple of years &
am always looking 2 practice. 'use it or lose it', as they say.
didn't mean 2 b rude, i'm so sorry if i was !
i kind of understood the dutch post too, LOL...
i have relatives in Holland, near Utrecht
but i don't speak Dutch w/ them, only french or english.
project update:
on monday, i tried using an airbrush
4 the first time...
i sprayed some very thinned tamiya buff over a couple of tanks,
didn't stir the paint enough & clogged the airbrush pretty rapidly.
after i got that mess cleaned up, i decided 2 try again, this time w/ the 229.
the base coat is light gull gray & i wanted 2 shoot some lichtblau over that
in a disruptive soft edged camo pattern. i knew i needed 2 thin the paint
somewhat, couldn't figure out why it wasn't mixing rite until i
realized it was enamel paint i was trying 2 thin w/ alcohol & water,
a total waste of time, effort & material !

by the time i figured it out, i had very little paint left in the bottle
which i then sprayed on so thin as 2 b almost invisible...
but i guess it could have been worse, could have been
spatters & runs everywhere. so i'll just buy another bottle of
MM lichtblau & try again... also, i don't think the medium tip
of the airbrush is going 2 give me fine enough lines 2 do the
squiggly lines of grauviolett based on what i saw on my test
paper, but i know i need 2 practice w/ the airbrush 2 get good
results... next time i'll even read the labels on the paint bottles.
on the plus side, things can only get better from here on !

frosty

Frosty, no offence taken.

I used to speak a little French in my days in IT support, looking after my companies European stores. Unfortunaltely since moving on, I've forgotten much of what I learnt, mais cest la vie.

Your fisrt experience with an airbrush sounds about right. First time I fired up my 200, I coudn't figure out why nothing was coming out the nozzle. Until, that is, I realised that I had left the tip cover on.

Just keep practising, just like the French.

Karl

QUOTE: Originally posted by frostygirl [ i knew i needed 2 thin the paint somewhat, couldn't figure out why it wasn't mixing rite until i realized it was enamel paint i was trying 2 thin w/ alcohol & water, a total waste of time, effort & material !

That sounds strangely familiar! Airbrushes are a bit of a mixed blessing aren't they? I've been fighting mine for about a decade now, and still don't get consistent results because I can't get reliable air pressure/ thinning ratios. Guess that's my own fault because I'm too cheap to buy a compressor..... (I'd rather buy another cubic metre of kits). What I'm saying is don't take my advice, but I'll give you some anyway:
I'm assuming you have a double action airbrush with a medium tip right now (got a Badger 150 myself). Using very thin paint (probably like the ratio you used in the end to lightly cover the model) and LOW airpressure, you can paint very thin lines. Go really close (probably under an inch) to your model, and gently pull back on the trigger so you get just a little paint flow. My badger lets me preset this with a small screw in the trigger assembly, but you have to take care not to get splatter because of paint buildup in the nozzle (just look at the YF-23 for an example of that, but this was at high pressure: air cans!). If you try it this way and still can't get fine enough lines of 'scribble', you may have to get a fine tip/needle after all.

It's nice to hear all of you seem to have some kind of connection to Holland! I must say I'm pretty surprised because we're such a small country. Oh, and I didn't mind the French at all. Did about 6 years of that in school, so it's nice to catch up on it every now and then. Besides, my toes are not easily stepped on. You'd have to do a LOT better.

QUOTE: Originally posted by KJ200 [First time I fired up my 200, I coudn't figure out why nothing was coming out the nozzle. Until, that is, I realised that I had left the tip cover on. Karl

You're cracking me up Karl! At least it's good to know I'm not the only one having trouble.

QUOTE: Originally posted by Filibert Kraxner QUOTE: Originally posted by KJ200 [First time I fired up my 200, I coudn't figure out why nothing was coming out the nozzle. Until, that is, I realised that I had left the tip cover on. Karl You're cracking me up Karl! At least it's good to know I'm not the only one having trouble.

The really sad thing is I did exactly the same thing last weekend when firing up the Omni!

Luckily I was only doing a test spray with water, something I do before every session, just to confirm the AB is working properly.

I used to enjoy dealing with the Dutch stores, everyone seemed to speak English, and the staff were friendly, more than could be said for some of other stores!

Always happy to provide entertainment.

Karl

QUOTE: Originally posted by KJ200 I used to enjoy dealing with the Dutch stores, everyone seemed to speak English, and the staff were friendly, more than could be said for some of other stores!

Sounds like you happened to find a few nice folks. In general, Dutch people are not famous for the quality of their service/ friendliness you know. It's a different sector, but I often find service in restaurants in Germany or Austria (or Scandinavia) much better than over here. Also, you get better advice in a lot of shops there because employees are actually trained there. Over here, they'll do nicely if they're young and cheap.
Don't get me wrong: I don't hate it here. What I find pleasant about the Dutch in general is that they are very direct and open. Makes it easy to communicate. Then again, talking to an Italian is much more of an event.
Ah, going way again! Cultural differences rule.

Filibert, I made a lot of friends in our European stores before they closed down, even the French ones!

Dealing with the Germans was always good, obviously speaking the lingo, along with the name helped alot. They lived up to their reputation for efficiency, though they did have a tendency to take matters a little too far at times!

I'm assuming you're not Dutch Filibert?

Karl

Well, I'm back....just returned from honeymoon! Obviously, taking any models with me would probably mean a quicky divorce, so they stayed home...!

I have both engines for the Dornier 335 built and fitted to the fuselage. The cockpit tub has been built as well.

I have also been working on the 163 Komet...hehehehehe! got two micro servos installed, and I''ve ordered a micro receiver

Filibert:
Nice to read that bit of Dutch; my Afrikaans is getting very rusty; i haven't heard it spoken for several years...but I do have a few books; maybe I should read one of them again....
Going to Belgium and Holland is pretty cool, as I can (reading) understand a lot of what is going on...hearing spoken Dutch/Flemish is quite something else though!!!!
Here's something for you to chew on:

"Ek was onnosel," het hy dan verskrik gekerm. "Ek het groot geword in die Bos, ek het geweet dis die olifante se broeiplek die en toe kom foeter ek hier deur. Julle kan maar oplet, julle sal nooit 'n houtkapper hier rond sien nie. Hulle weet dis die olifante se broeiplek...baie mense is al hierlangs doodgetrap."

Excerpt from "Kringe in 'n Bos (Circles in the forest) by Dalene Matthee.

If any of you lot want a language challenge, try Finnish. Actually, once you get your head around the case endings and the suffix-prepositions, it's quite an interesting lingo, with Asiatic origins....

Hi, everybody! I'm back! Looking back over the last few pages, I'm amazed at all the stuff that's happened in just under two weeks! Okay, what happened with me:

The trip to D.C. was good. Visited all the important monuments and memorials, made sure to check out the new WWII memorial, which is nice. Went inside the Capitol Building, and saw the White House from afar (Security. You know (I guess), terror warnings, and whatnot. I won't get into THAT here!). Etc., etc., etc.. That part of the trip was pretty good.

We made sure to visit most of the Smithsonians also. The Air and Space Museum was kind of a joke. Sure, there were a few cool aircraft (Spirit of St. Louis, Bell X-1, Wright Flyer), but that was really it. I realize that space constraints are an issue, but it really had nothing new to offer me. They built a new section of the Air and Space Museum, the Udvar-Hazy Center over by Dulles Airport, which is better, but still, I've seen better. Belive it or not, I recommend the USAF museum in Dayton, OH over the Air and Space Museum any day.
The trip back home held a nice suprise. On the way back we stopped at Cedar Point for a couple days before coming home yesterday. (Whew!)

Now, back to modelling. I have some good news, some bad news, some unfortunate news, and then just news.

The Good News: My airbrush finally came! It's a Paasche VL Double-Action, and it should work well. I will make sure to keep in mind the trials and tribulations of other members here!

The Bad News: Unfortunatly, I STILL don't have ANY kits! Bahh!

The Unfortunate News: Things aren't looking good for the plan to motorize the Zwilling. Just to get the kits will cost at least $65, and that doesn't count paint, glue, sandpaper, and anything else I might need! And the way things are going, I really don't want to spend $24 on just pager motors! (8 x $3 = $24!) As always, we'll see. To compensate, this brings us to the-

Just Plain News: I might cave and buy a PE radar antenna set(s) to make up for it. Also, my plan to fill up the underwing racks with Hs 293s and Fritz Xs most likely won't make it into this GB. I'll put them on later, when I have some more cash. It just wouldn't be fair to you guys to waste time doing nothing just to put them on. As far as I'm concerned, puting together the base kit is first priority.

I sorry I wasn't able to address all what happened in the last two weeks here. There isn't enough hours in the day! Until later, happy building!

(Oh, yeah! When I got back, I found a nice suprise hidden inside my new issue of Finescale Modeler- a review of the Ju 290! )

(That, and I didn't understand any of the foriegn language stuff! Oh, well. Just me.)

Last night I had a brainstorm. To cut down on costs and time, I might replace ALL the underwing ordinance with two V-1s, if I can find some kits. I know a mid-air launch of a V-1 took place. I'll have more information on this new idea when I have the time.

QUOTE: Originally posted by KJ200 Filibert, I made a lot of friends in our European stores before they closed down, even the French ones!

Even the French?[:0] Personally I find the French to be very nice as long as they're not in a hurry (which rules out Parisians).

QUOTE: I'm assuming you're not Dutch Filibert?

You'd be assuming 50% right, since I'm half Dutch, half Austrian. I was born and raised in Holland though, and consider myself to be more of a Dutchman because of that.

QUOTE: Originally posted by norite Well, I'm back....just returned from honeymoon!

(Well, they don't do a 'congratulations on your marriage' smile here but you get the point)

QUOTE: "Ek was onnosel," het hy dan verskrik gekerm. "Ek het groot geword in die Bos, ek het geweet dis die olifante se broeiplek die en toe kom foeter ek hier deur. Julle kan maar oplet, julle sal nooit 'n houtkapper hier rond sien nie. Hulle weet dis die olifante se broeiplek...baie mense is al hierlangs doodgetrap."

I'll be careful when stepping out of the front door! Oh, wait, the largest animal in the park next door is probably a squirrel, so I guess I'm safe. Reads like an easy puzzle, that Afrikaans of yours, if you know what I mean. Unlike Finnish mind you, that really is something else. Might I also propose Hungarian and Basque in the same category? I find those languages so totally different from any others I already know, that I can't find any structure/grammar while listening to them. And of course, I don't recognise any of the words, so you have nothing to hold on to. My hat's off to any foreigner who learns to speak these languages. By the way, are funny languages a bit of a hobby of yours or have you done some formal study?

Lucien, welcome back! It's good to hear you have joined the club of (soon to be) frustrated airbrushers A couple of days at Cedar Point eh? Are you certain your hand is steady enough to use the airbrush at all? Wow, I took a look at some of the roller coasters they have there: pretty impressive stuff (and I'm not even a huge fan)!

QUOTE: Originally posted by Filibert Kraxner A couple of days at Cedar Point eh? Are you certain your hand is steady enough to use the airbrush at all? Wow, I took a look at some of the roller coasters they have there: pretty impressive stuff (and I'm not even a huge fan)!

Yeah, among other things I consider myself to be a roller coaster junkie. I just rode the newest one, The Top Thrill Dragster. (TM) You know, the one 420 feet tall? Zero to 120 mph in four seconds? That one. Let me tell you, it's a rush. The two hour wait in line was definitly worth it!

As for the rest of the stuff, I'm just nodding my head and smiling- I don't get any of it!

norite:
welcome back & congrats on ur nuptials ! i think u made the rite choice 2 leave the kits behind, wouldn't want 2 get kicked 2 the curb on the honeymoon, lol !
Filibert:
a decade of battle w/ an airbrush, something 2 look forward 2 !
it's a badger 350, i think it's single action... using a can of air, not compressor...
can u regulate air pressure w/ a can ?
Lucien:
welcome back 2 u also, glad u had a good trip 2 DC...
if ur hands r still shaking, fire up ur new airbrush
& do some squiggly camo practice !
sorry 2 hear u r still kitless, i really want 2 c ur zwilling.
my first airbrush experience was interesting, 2 say the least !
actually looking at it now, in certain light conditions it looks pretty decent,
kind of a subtle mottle effect of lichtblau over the grey...
i'm going 2 keep at it, hopefully i'll b able 2 post
updated pix soon.

does anyone know if the intakes had fins on the Ho 229 ?
i know it used Jumo 004b turbojets 4 power,
but no pix i have seen of the intakes r very conclusive &
i don't know enough 2 extrapolate reasonably...
thanx in advance,

frosty

Frosty, take a look at the Luftarchiv site I posted a link to earlier in the thread as they have pictures of the Ho 229.

Norite, good to see you back, and congratulations on getting hitched.

As for the DFS profress has been slow. For a kit with just 12 parts, I'm finding it a bit of a nightmare.

It's not even the kit, it's me. If I can cock it up, I have! Disasters so far include:
Cracking the canopy
Paint leaking under the canopy masking
Black marks appearing on the wings after spraying
And finding that I hadn't sanded down all the super glue filling only after I'd finished masking for spraying

That Ta 183 is looking very attractive right now!

Karl

QUOTE: [i] Reads like an easy puzzle, that Afrikaans of yours, if you know what I mean. Unlike Finnish mind you, that really is something else. Might I also propose Hungarian and Basque in the same category? I find those languages so totally different from any others I already know, that I can't find any structure/grammar while listening to them. And of course, I don't recognise any of the words, so you have nothing to hold on to. My hat's off to any foreigner who learns to speak these languages. By the way, are funny languages a bit of a hobby of yours or have you done some formal study?

Fillibert, Hungarian, Finnish & Basqe are all non-European languages in that share a common Asiatic root which if memory servers me has more in common with Sandskrit. Finnish & Basque especially did not evolve at the same rate as other European languages, primarily because of geography, the Basque region of Spain being mountainous and remote, and most of Finland being North of the Arctic circle. As for Hungarian, or Magyar to give it its correct name, have you ever met a Hungarian? I've worked with a few over the years............

So ends Linguistics 101.

Karl

Karl- Cripes! Who would think such a tiny project could be so much trouble? The curse of Nazi Germany lives on...

Frostygirl- I have a model like that (one that looks good under certain conditions), my B-36. It looks great when you're standing about six feet away! Or with the lighst out! Regardless, pics of what you have could be good. My advice on your engine problem- look up pics of the engine, not nessicarily the 229. It's an idea.

Norite- How could I be so ignorant? Congrads on the wedding! My it be long and happy!

Nothing really new on my part. I been doing the math, and the cheapest possible way to get everything I need is to order it all from Squadron at one time, a Me 328 and two Ju 290s. The only thing that complicates this is the fact I need to get an air regulator for my airbrush (I already have a compressor. Lucky.), and that it takes a couple weeks to get the kits. Nope, no overnight for me. To expensive.

The motorization has had a resurrection! There might be a way to still be able to do it, if I can find motors cheap enough. I'm trying to collaberate something with Swanny right now.

As for underwing ordinance, I'd like to see if I can get two Reichenberg IVs. They were piloted V-1s, developed to try and suppliment the innacuracy of the unpiloted version. Hey, might as well add a few more Luft '46 "aircraft" while I'm at it! It might not make it into this GB, though. (The reason for the switch from the V-1s is they both cost the same, and the IVs are more interesing, anyway.)

Karl & Lucien:
thanx 4 the suggestions !
i looked up the Jumo004 on luftarchiv site...
the pic of it in a plane just shows a dark area around the hub in the nacelles.
there r a couple of illustrated side views & in the cutaway one it looks like the fins
r far enough back in the engine housing that they wouldn't b seen thru
the front intakes very much if at all.
one less thing 2 worry about !
sorry 2 hear about ur troubles w/ the DFS, Karl.
sometimes it seems like the less there is 2 the kit, the more time it takes !
it's certainly true 4 the Ho 229...
lol re: b-36, Lucien...
if all goes well i'll post updated pix tomorrow, since the original set of pix is
now red-exed...

frosty

I picked the DFS up again this afternoon, thinking I'd sand out the rogue super glue, and maybe fill the mis-scribed panel lines and try again...........

...........that's when a new problem emerged!

The Vallejo paint started to peal off!!!!!!!!!!!!!Aaaaaaaaaaaagh!!!!!!!!!!!

DFS is now back to it's peach plastic, the ailerons and flaps have been cut out.

New flaps and ailerons make from plastic card for the starboard wing, and the tailskid rebuilt with the plastic bracket replaced with brass wire and the original skid. All panel lines have bee filled prior to rescribing, though there are a lot fewer having removed the flappy bits.

Now I just need to mix up a batch of RLM05 using Gunze paints.

And Frosty look under Horten for pictures of the 229 on the Luftarchive site, they might be better.

Karl

QUOTE: Originally posted by KJ200 [ As for Hungarian, or Magyar to give it its correct name, have you ever met a Hungarian? I've worked with a few over the years............ Karl

Yup, been to Hungary a couple of times and a friend of mine is an Aussie Hungarian (or vice versa, anyway he lives in Rotterdam now...... with a German girlfriend ).

Linguistics out!

Frosty, as far as I know you can't really regulate air pressure with a can. As you spray, the escaping gasses cool the can down, so the pressure drops. If you're lucky (), it drops really far so liquid sprays out. That's when you start sanding again, lol. The best way I know of to keep the pressure (temperature) sort-of constant is to put the can in a bucket of lukewarm water. Just let it float in there while you spray and the water will absorb the worst of the temperature drop. If anyone has a better tip I'm all ears!